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Isoldeblue

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33. Oh my dear Egalitarian Thug,

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:57 PM

Feb 2014

I agree 100% with you. I love your picturesque phrases!

But it is still a "should be" premise. Not our current dilemma. Just because you and I hate that this shit oil is still being used today here and in China (where most of this Keystone crap is headed for!) and that people vote against themselves and their best interests, it will not solve out current reality. That our energy sources are still not green and that we have to deal with how our energy is manufactured and applied. Not yet.

Yes, we need to fight daily against all of that for our children. That is a viable point, for sure.

But for today, we have a president who is agonizing over this decision. As citizens who will be directly affected by that choice, I'd like to have some
informed facts that will help us to make the best of it. Like it or not.

Then lets tackle the other issues that will be best for all of us.

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Transporting Oil: Pipeline or Railway? [View all] Isoldeblue Feb 2014 OP

Rail. and they can bear the extra cost out of their profits. Autumn Feb 2014 #1

Thank you, Autumn :) Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #6

It all depends. Will he be driving the train? Autumn Feb 2014 #8

... Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #10

But it still was the Kochroaches that made him :) Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #32

*SNORT* pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #41

OK, but did you know that almost all the tanker cars being used constitute a hazard? cali Feb 2014 #16

I know cali. There is no good solution to this other than no. Autumn Feb 2014 #24

Sounds like a reason to upgrade the infrastructure, add lots of inspectors and check stations, and TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #27

That is what I was hoping to hear Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #39

False Choice vt_native Feb 2014 #2

We're doing that. In the meantime, I still want to drive and use my boat. badtoworse Feb 2014 #4

Try hydrogen power instead? Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #15

Already stated in my OP as a given. Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #7

Neither. It's Canadian oil, there's no need for it to come through our country. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #3

But it is, isn't it? Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #13

If your question is merely "which is safer", the answer is rail. Hands down. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #29

Yes. That WAS the question in my OP NY_SKP. Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #30

but it is and it will. period. no one disputes that. cali Feb 2014 #19

Thank you, Cali! Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #26

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could swear that Canada has a national infrastructure, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #5

But it is coming through our country. Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #17

Here's the problem with this whole "Don't worry, we'll fix it later" fantasy. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #31

Oh my dear Egalitarian Thug, Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #33

Well, if you insist. I can argue for either pipeline or truck/rail. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #45

Because the First Nations people in Canada are putting up more of a fight than farmers in the US. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #18

That's only a small part of it laundry_queen Feb 2014 #28

Thank you for Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #40

None. Leave fossil fuels in the ground forever. hunter Feb 2014 #9

Ok. delta17 Feb 2014 #11

Change it. hunter Feb 2014 #23

Wish I could. delta17 Feb 2014 #34

Watch, push back a little. hunter Feb 2014 #38

Hey, it sounds like it worked out well in the end! delta17 Feb 2014 #44

I agree. Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #36

I'll ask again. Trains or pipes? Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #12

Canadian tar sands oil is pretty much the worst. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #21

What you said! This is what has me so upset. Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #37

Usually a train spill is a smaller spill than a pipeline spill! B Calm Feb 2014 #14

but if more and more oil is transported by rail in unsafe tankers on subpar infrastructure.... cali Feb 2014 #20

I know, just stating a fact! B Calm Feb 2014 #22

That tar sands oil is destined to other parts of the world madokie Feb 2014 #25

Refining tar sands crude = horrible emissions for US womanofthehills Feb 2014 #35

Ideally, neither. BUT the ideal simply ain't gonna happen. jazzimov Feb 2014 #42

Thank you, Jazzimov Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #46

How about if we do decide on Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #43