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Egalitarian Thug

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45. Well, if you insist. I can argue for either pipeline or truck/rail.

Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:49 AM

Feb 2014

The pipeline is statistically safer in that there is less likelihood of a particular spill. OTOH, as has been discussed elsewhere, the track record of the parasites that will own and operate it leaves the question of whether the safety features will be properly installed, maintained, and working when the inevitable happens.

Trucks/rail produces far more permanent jobs and mitigates the likely quantity that will be poured on our land and chance of it happening in a particularly sensitive area, so as far as I'm concerned it is a wash.

A terrible, ugly wash.

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Transporting Oil: Pipeline or Railway? [View all] Isoldeblue Feb 2014 OP

Rail. and they can bear the extra cost out of their profits. Autumn Feb 2014 #1

Thank you, Autumn :) Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #6

It all depends. Will he be driving the train? Autumn Feb 2014 #8

... Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #10

But it still was the Kochroaches that made him :) Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #32

*SNORT* pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #41

OK, but did you know that almost all the tanker cars being used constitute a hazard? cali Feb 2014 #16

I know cali. There is no good solution to this other than no. Autumn Feb 2014 #24

Sounds like a reason to upgrade the infrastructure, add lots of inspectors and check stations, and TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #27

That is what I was hoping to hear Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #39

False Choice vt_native Feb 2014 #2

We're doing that. In the meantime, I still want to drive and use my boat. badtoworse Feb 2014 #4

Try hydrogen power instead? Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #15

Already stated in my OP as a given. Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #7

Neither. It's Canadian oil, there's no need for it to come through our country. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #3

But it is, isn't it? Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #13

If your question is merely "which is safer", the answer is rail. Hands down. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #29

Yes. That WAS the question in my OP NY_SKP. Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #30

but it is and it will. period. no one disputes that. cali Feb 2014 #19

Thank you, Cali! Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #26

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could swear that Canada has a national infrastructure, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #5

But it is coming through our country. Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #17

Here's the problem with this whole "Don't worry, we'll fix it later" fantasy. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #31

Oh my dear Egalitarian Thug, Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #33

Well, if you insist. I can argue for either pipeline or truck/rail. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #45

Because the First Nations people in Canada are putting up more of a fight than farmers in the US. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #18

That's only a small part of it laundry_queen Feb 2014 #28

Thank you for Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #40

None. Leave fossil fuels in the ground forever. hunter Feb 2014 #9

Ok. delta17 Feb 2014 #11

Change it. hunter Feb 2014 #23

Wish I could. delta17 Feb 2014 #34

Watch, push back a little. hunter Feb 2014 #38

Hey, it sounds like it worked out well in the end! delta17 Feb 2014 #44

I agree. Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #36

I'll ask again. Trains or pipes? Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #12

Canadian tar sands oil is pretty much the worst. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #21

What you said! This is what has me so upset. Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #37

Usually a train spill is a smaller spill than a pipeline spill! B Calm Feb 2014 #14

but if more and more oil is transported by rail in unsafe tankers on subpar infrastructure.... cali Feb 2014 #20

I know, just stating a fact! B Calm Feb 2014 #22

That tar sands oil is destined to other parts of the world madokie Feb 2014 #25

Refining tar sands crude = horrible emissions for US womanofthehills Feb 2014 #35

Ideally, neither. BUT the ideal simply ain't gonna happen. jazzimov Feb 2014 #42

Thank you, Jazzimov Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #46

How about if we do decide on Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #43