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hfojvt

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4. I am kinda wondering

Sat Feb 8, 2014, 04:30 PM

Feb 2014

why she isn't married.

I know. I know. It is a terrible thing to suggest that a woman should rely on a man for economic support.

But I read this

"Female friends my age who are in similar financial circumstances are terrified of the future."

and it seems to me that she, and they, are imagining facing the future alone. Well, wouldn't it be a least a little bit safer to face the future with a loving partner, or even a friend? If she has friends in the same circumstance, well they should consider pairing up - becoming roommates. Hell, that's how Vida Dutton Scudder lived from 1890-1940. She lived with her mother and with Florence Converse, and I think Helena Dudley might have lived with them too for a time.

Charlotte Perkins Gilman's recipe for independence was for women to take in boarders. Get income by renting out rooms.

She might have kept her house had she done that.

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Read this, then ask yourself: Isn't it amazing the riots haven't started yet? [View all] JaneyVee Feb 2014 OP

Indeed. We should all be earning an average $120,000/year. (link) NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #1

nice to have this data hfojvt Feb 2014 #5

2 things I know that went away was deducting credit card interest & state sales tax. nt 7962 Feb 2014 #20

+1 freshwest Feb 2014 #15

Reagan was the worst thing to happen to America. Initech Feb 2014 #18

First he ruined California, leftieNanner Feb 2014 #24

He was just a puppet for the head(s) of a hydra! glowing Feb 2014 #47

Second worst... The millions of working people who voted for him come in at number one to me. abq e streeter Feb 2014 #51

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Perfect example: Initech Feb 2014 #106

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SMH Mr Dixon Feb 2014 #187

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Those were the members of "The Greatest Generation." They wanted to go back to "how things were." Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #146

I don't know debunkthis Feb 2014 #112

Yes. That thought has been on my mind for years. nt ladjf Feb 2014 #136

Absolutely. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #163

Thanks. More: ProSense Feb 2014 #31

I'm glad Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #34

It's the republican way, they don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. Republicans are RKP5637 Feb 2014 #39

I am not joking when I say that I think Republican values are a result ladjf Feb 2014 #138

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Agree! erronis Feb 2014 #147

Yes! There are definite downsides to something like this. Also, it would open the door RKP5637 Feb 2014 #149

To attempt to legitimize our theory would turn into a terrible ladjf Feb 2014 #183

Oh, yes, there would then be the "War on Brains!" Humans IMO just aren't ready RKP5637 Feb 2014 #184

The fact that the ones with money a the ones who purchased their loyalty and service, of course. nt tblue37 Feb 2014 #60

Their true god, Ayn Rand, told them that good producers work harder when rewarded, IrishAyes Feb 2014 #155

I always read that Obama is powerless because of the House Republicans. former9thward Feb 2014 #56

Why are you asking me? Do you admire Reagan's power? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #63

I understand how bills are made into law. former9thward Feb 2014 #66

Good for you. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #69

Shhhh! bvar22 Feb 2014 #75

Obama doesn't "admire" Reagan, he's rightly pointed out that Reagan was popular. And many DU'ers KittyWampus Feb 2014 #92

I provided my link. former9thward Feb 2014 #93

You should read it Progressive dog Feb 2014 #133

The poster, who you jumped in to defend, says Obama does not admire Reagan. former9thward Feb 2014 #137

The Time article , I actually read it Progressive dog Feb 2014 #141

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You might be right. former9thward Feb 2014 #99

People forget just how divided the party was. The "Solid South" had their own agenda. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #148

Yea, and it was an older generation of people too... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #150

Well, Byrd was blessed with the uplifting influence of Teddy Kennedy. IrishAyes Feb 2014 #157

President Obama cannot get blood from the GOP turnips. The reason behind the underthematrix Feb 2014 #109

Tip O'Neill was the Speaker of the House. MADem Feb 2014 #132

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OWS threw the first punch, bvar22 Feb 2014 #3

^^^this^^^ should be its own op. L0oniX Feb 2014 #7

Agreed. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #12

Second that 1000words Feb 2014 #21

third navarth Feb 2014 #50

fourth BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #77

Fifth. I love your post. go west young man Feb 2014 #105

I think it will come from no party. roody Feb 2014 #117

"it has to comes from a new party outside of the Democratic Party at this point." True. polichick Feb 2014 #162

Sad but true! They control the government, Dustlawyer Feb 2014 #13

Latin America Did it by sending the Yanquis home Demeter Feb 2014 #16

American is now an entrenched police state often invisible to most, RKP5637 Feb 2014 #30

Excellent post, thank you Bvar ... sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #58

When peaceful protest is brutally crushed, you can bet the next ones will be violent beyond belief. Warpy Feb 2014 #83

the peaceful protest of non-consumerism, however, is unstoppable BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #90

"Those who make Peaceful Revolution impossible, bvar22 Feb 2014 #94

As proven throughout history and in many places in the world today. pampango Feb 2014 #128

OWS planted the seed. They changed the conversation, made us think and speak of alfredo Feb 2014 #114

Hear, hear! Well said, bvar22. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #130

I admire what OWS did. However, there was no endgame plan. ladjf Feb 2014 #140

Look at the new Tunisian constitution! IrishAyes Feb 2014 #158

I am kinda wondering hfojvt Feb 2014 #4

So, would you have said that if a man had said those things? KatyaR Feb 2014 #9

Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #33

hfojvt's thoughtful post covered much more than his first point about marriage gristy Feb 2014 #107

I did NOT say "only" hfojvt Feb 2014 #160

What is worse than being turned down Springslips Feb 2014 #168

and yet hfojvt Feb 2014 #172

I bit of a confused response... Springslips Feb 2014 #176

actually able bodied people are NOT forced into the system hfojvt Feb 2014 #188

she doesn't have to marry a man to be married. grasswire Feb 2014 #10

Are we going to see non-gay same-sex marriage for economic reasons? starroute Feb 2014 #25

...desperate times. grasswire Feb 2014 #28

It's one way to survive IMO. Today, the top priority in the US for most is survival. As our RKP5637 Feb 2014 #35

Perhaps for most people. But please excuse me from that lineup. It's a good plan, but IrishAyes Feb 2014 #159

I actually did that at one point as a single mom...it didn't work out well at all but oh, so what... CTyankee Feb 2014 #65

You kind of stepped mstinamotorcity2 Feb 2014 #72

I just snorted my coffee. Curmudgeoness Feb 2014 #76

a panacea? hfojvt Feb 2014 #123

I have also seen too many marriages Curmudgeoness Feb 2014 #151

Zoning laws might not have permitted her to take in boarders. raccoon Feb 2014 #101

Exactly. Aside his sociopathy, my ex and I would've made a great team. He made $ hand over fist IrishAyes Feb 2014 #161

While not ideal, there are some solutions in there madville Feb 2014 #104

not all us gals want to be married Skittles Feb 2014 #108

well on the other side hfojvt Feb 2014 #124

you want I should kick your exaggerating ass, hfojvt? Skittles Feb 2014 #173

Probably because men in her age group are dying off much faster than women eridani Feb 2014 #122

Riots won't cut it. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #6

I am reading Chris Hedges "Death of the Liberal Class" and that's what he says also. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #8

yes, it is clear what the militarization of local law enforcement is about. grasswire Feb 2014 #11

That'll work for starters..... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #167

That all sounds swell but how do you get corrupt people to reform themselves? rhett o rick Feb 2014 #170

Reform isn't the aim. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #171

Forgive me if I sound like a "naysayer", I agree things need to change. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #174

The first step in our ''strategy'' should be...... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #178

I totally agree, but we must be more specific. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #179

Somebody get a pencil (do they still make those?). DeSwiss Feb 2014 #180

Sorry but I dont get it. Do you agree or disagree? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #185

I agree. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #186

And don't spend a dime into the general economy Demeter Feb 2014 #17

Agreed! llmart Feb 2014 #131

^^ This is the most effective strategy available to us. ^^ Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #23

^^^^ THIS POST IS WHY I REC'D THIS THREAD ^^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #115

You are correct. That's what �tienne de La Bo�tie told the French in 1550. jtuck004 Feb 2014 #120

^This^. We win the game by simply refusing to play. Zorra Feb 2014 #165

I can hear her breathing too! DeSwiss Feb 2014 #166

Yes! Springslips Feb 2014 #169

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This sounds like my daughter with two kids under 8 and out of work for two years. kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #19

I'm right there with you JaneyVee KauaiK Feb 2014 #22

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #26

K&R. People are going to have to join together to get through this riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #27

People would fight back if they had a clear vision of how to do it starroute Feb 2014 #29

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Mutual Support... Been thinking about that lately. KoKo Feb 2014 #62

Organize. Organize. Organize. Martin Eden Feb 2014 #125

Riots?...Mere Child's Play....Storm The Gates and Hang 'Em High.... bkanderson76 Feb 2014 #36

Soon(tm) Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #145

We need to cut taxes on the job creators and Enthusiast Feb 2014 #37

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Well that's the answer for sure! Phlem Feb 2014 #44

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Meaning it's so binary Phlem Feb 2014 #48

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I like kale. And I like libraries! NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #54

lmfao! hrmjustin Feb 2014 #64

kale in the garden / trying so hard to avoid / feral cat urine uppityperson Feb 2014 #79

I can't wait for the op. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #85

Been pretty calm day so far. uppityperson Feb 2014 #86

And here is to many other quiet and calm days. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #87

Indeed. uppityperson Feb 2014 #88

are you all having fun? uppityperson Feb 2014 #78

Oh, excellent thought. Lemme see... NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #80

yes, I am plagiarising from there also. uppityperson Feb 2014 #82

Lol. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #89

Look in my closet-There's nothing at all to wear-Eat kale, go naked! uppityperson Feb 2014 #91

You know you really shouldn't worry your pretty mind with things like this.. SomethingFishy Feb 2014 #67

NS. Phlem Feb 2014 #102

My wife lost her corporate job 3 years ago. mn9driver Feb 2014 #40

Me too. Phlem Feb 2014 #42

And people half her age think $15.00 an hour is a Godsend! glowing Feb 2014 #43

OWS did a lot of things wrong IMHO, sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #46

This is a Great op!! mstinamotorcity2 Feb 2014 #49

+1. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #135

She isn't rioting n2doc Feb 2014 #52

Hungry stomaches living in a car with no gas makes it REALLY hard to riot. Rex Feb 2014 #57

Oddly enough, so do full ones along with working cable tv. jtuck004 Feb 2014 #121

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Yes, we're all limousine liberals with trust funds nobodyspecial Feb 2014 #70

+1000000 Phlem Feb 2014 #73

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Or could it be the fact that Phlem Feb 2014 #81

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You make absolutely no sense. Phlem Feb 2014 #95

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Well sh#t. Phlem Feb 2014 #97

Riots are not the answer... that will just make the situation worse... DCBob Feb 2014 #61

Are you kidding? FrodosPet Feb 2014 #129

Thr Reagan worship from the Republican party is insane, and explains a lot about maddiemom Feb 2014 #68

Reagan had Alzheimers during his first and second terms underthematrix Feb 2014 #110

From Koko Phlem Feb 2014 #71

Strike SamKnause Feb 2014 #96

+1. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #139

"Trickle Down," bay-bee! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #103

It's too fucking cold! alfredo Feb 2014 #113

Did you know Mike Malloy read your post on the air? I heard him 2/9 around 1 am I guess progree Feb 2014 #118

Ha obxhead Feb 2014 #119

I shared a house with three other guys and we got along great CanonRay Feb 2014 #126

k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #127

Its the same with men, too. From six figures to mid teens. It happened quick: I turned fifty. marble falls Feb 2014 #134

Where was this person when she did "have"? She'll have to take a number and get in line RadiationTherapy Feb 2014 #143

First of all, kudos for a great OP. IrishAyes Feb 2014 #152

We don't' show up in the statistics, either BallardWA Feb 2014 #154

They haven't started yet... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #156

That is the best article on the situation of the best and brightest in America today JDPriestly Feb 2014 #164

Do you think riots would be helpful? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #175

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Nope, it's not amazing the riots haven't started yet. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #182