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213. Even if it would work reliably and without possibility of disarmament, it violates privacy.

Sat Feb 8, 2014, 06:33 PM

Feb 2014

You ask if it would be a privacy violation or a useful thing.

I'd answer that it would be a privacy violation, and it's usefulness would be limited-- not worth the surrender of privacy.

In a vacuum, under ideal circumstances, sure, maybe it would offer some advantage.

In reality, however, it would probably be able to be over-ridden, and it could, if enacted by law, become just that slippery slope thing that we all learn about and sometimes even laugh about.

Next thing it would be our phone calls, our emails. Oh wait, we already lost that privacy. Nope, I just don't like it, Ida.

Re: One EDIT: Wouldn't matter, it's pretty easy to tell if someone in the area has a hunting rifle, I'm not sure of what range you have in mind for "carrying a gun near you".

On EDIT 2: It really depends on the conditions, the city, the state, the job involved. It would more likely than not have an impact, but for some jobs or places, no impact. Nome, Alaska or Sonora, California, little or no impact.

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What would happen if there was an App to tell you who was carrying a gun near you? [View all] IdaBriggs Feb 2014 OP

Undercover cops/govt agents would ban it The Straight Story Feb 2014 #1

So if it was developed, you believe "the App Store" IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #3

pro-government anti-citizen folks would protest it's use The Straight Story Feb 2014 #11

So both sides would hate it. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #18

Anything that detracts from the rights of govt is a problem (citizens though is fine) The Straight Story Feb 2014 #27

Orwellian totalitarianism. nt alp227 Feb 2014 #2

Please clarify. nt IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #4

It's none of my business what other people want to carry. nt alp227 Feb 2014 #19

How would such an App work? MineralMan Feb 2014 #5

This is a hypothetical discussion, with a focus on "civil liberty" issues. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #10

But, such an App isn't possible. MineralMan Feb 2014 #13

When the discussion started, an active RFID chip wasn't in the original specs. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #20

an RFID chip in every firearm SHOULD be the law of the land. n/t PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #84

waste of time to discuss except you are discussing. Whisp Feb 2014 #30

Well, there is that... MineralMan Feb 2014 #32

Oh, it may be possible. randome Feb 2014 #45

I'm not seeing the potential for developing such MineralMan Feb 2014 #52

Probably not the 'near' future but I can see it happening someday. randome Feb 2014 #87

Actually, about the only technology that would MineralMan Feb 2014 #92

Through the mid-nineties, I thought the same thing about home computers. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #152

If there was magic in the world... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Feb 2014 #29

Yes there is. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #179

Hard to carry a dog in your cell phone, though. MineralMan Feb 2014 #180

Having smart phones that could detect guns near them might MattBaggins Feb 2014 #198

Just like many traffic apps. Pholus Feb 2014 #202

I might want to get one. calimary Feb 2014 #6

Do you think you would "adjust" to the "alarm" nature as normal -- IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #22

I think I'd have it on vibrate if that was possible. calimary Feb 2014 #43

I'd find it useful. MH1 Feb 2014 #7

It might be interesting for stores to use on their merchandise to prevent theft. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #26

You mean like make every gun have an RFID chip on it so the app could read it? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #8

That would be interesting.... IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #12

Maybe make it so that if they tamper with the RFID chip, they lose their gun privileges. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #24

But how would you know? Would it have to send a "burst" - "BEING MESSED WITH IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #49

I don't see why not. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #61

RFID doesn't have a power source. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #199

Criminals losing their gun privileges seveneyes Feb 2014 #81

Yeah, I wasn't talking about criminals, cowboy. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #86

Since it was in response to this comment... seveneyes Feb 2014 #93

Well, I was talking about the "law abiding citizens" that carry guns. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #104

Criminal don't usually have gun privileges to start with. hack89 Feb 2014 #101

It would be harder to "opt out" law enforcement if we just use "shape recognition." IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #113

So everyone is going to walk around with body scanning technology? hack89 Feb 2014 #127

We Would Probably Need A 'Conceal & Carry' Law Passed To Have That App On Our Phone.....nt global1 Feb 2014 #9

Would it be covered under "free speech" --as in, IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #50

I live in Virginia, so it would probably ping nonstop and wear out my battery.... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #14

Ah, the car alarm theory. (nods sagely) IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #54

I like the idea, plus add.. PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #15

lol! Whisp Feb 2014 #25

On the screen? Or as you point your phone, it would "arrow" at you? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #55

hologram over your head irl PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #65

Whose rights? Their rights to carry a gun or my right to not be Cleita Feb 2014 #16

Oh. Brother. No wonder the world is so fucked up. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #37

Interesting. Could be odd in a restaurant....? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #57

Privacy violation. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #17

Valid answer - you think it would be like "x-ray goggles" (if they worked) IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #59

It implies a huge government database being shared with everyone hack89 Feb 2014 #95

Gangsters would know who to mug when they needed a gun. hunter Feb 2014 #21

You just destroyed the gun ownership excuse of needing firearms Cleita Feb 2014 #31

Would gangsters stop, if they were in a store and their App was going off? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #60

I have a couple of very funny stories about that... hunter Feb 2014 #126

Very interesting question! n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #23

Thank you! IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #62

How would it know? Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #28

X-ray glasses using the phones camera app. ileus Feb 2014 #36

They used to advertise xray glasses in comic books 50 years ago? But they were for perverts. Hoyt Feb 2014 #128

Well what kind of folks do you think want to know what's stuffed in your pants? ileus Feb 2014 #157

How do we know the chemical composition and makeup of planets hundreds of light years away? randome Feb 2014 #48

Okay... Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #68

Where can I reach you? Never mind, I'll look it up. randome Feb 2014 #91

Love that show! Hadn't been thinking of it when I wrote the post, but... IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #125

It would. And if we manage to survive climate change, technology will only get better. randome Feb 2014 #176

Options discussed so far -- IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #69

Not really. Where I live, half the people are probably armed anyway. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #73

Okay when I first read this I assumed YarnAddict Feb 2014 #79

When I first started thinking of it, it would just let you know if there was a gun near you. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #116

You would probably know if someone was carrying YarnAddict Feb 2014 #148

I wouldn't care .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #172

Facial recognition matched to a database...could yield just suspected gun carriers HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #181

Open Carry would become default mode. ileus Feb 2014 #33

^this^ Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #47

Moranic. How would it know? At best it would tell who is licensed to carry. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #34

So, you think if it can *identify* the people around you (face recognition?) IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #75

rfid on the firearm makes some sense geckosfeet Feb 2014 #165

Eventually, all weapons sold will contain identification chips. onehandle Feb 2014 #35

That last acronyms/word is a mouthful. Cleita Feb 2014 #39

I think you're right marions ghost Feb 2014 #66

Sadly, my first reaction was "wow, that is more fantasy than my original post!" IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #77

And a thriving black market of chipless guns will spring up hack89 Feb 2014 #108

I just assume that anyway, but I don't feel unsafe. cali Feb 2014 #38

Not a popcorn thrower, eh? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #82

What would be the point?... TeeYiYi Feb 2014 #40

So it would "beep" (or whatever) and kill your battery. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #83

I think chips in a gun are a good idea. Folks have the right to know a gun toting yahoo is nearby. Hoyt Feb 2014 #41

Couldn't a chip be removed? I would prefer something like a Geiger counter or Cleita Feb 2014 #42

I'm fine with that too. Of course, I thought all those gun fanciers are "law-abiding." Hoyt Feb 2014 #51

That could work too. I just think we need something. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #72

Metal doesn't give off a signal like radiation. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #200

Folks have the right to know a gun toting yahoo is nearby. sked14 Feb 2014 #46

Well, Sked, in most cases I can tell. But, in those cases where the signs aren't obvious, I see Hoyt Feb 2014 #56

You said that people have a right to know, sked14 Feb 2014 #63

It's in the Declaration of Independence. Cleita Feb 2014 #85

It still doesn't give the public the right to know what an individual has sked14 Feb 2014 #89

Why not, if they are carrying something like a gun in a public area? Hoyt Feb 2014 #115

Because it would violate the 4th Amendment, that's why. sked14 Feb 2014 #117

So, how do open carry states get by with it? Besides, you clearly don't understand the Constitution. Hoyt Feb 2014 #121

I beg to differ sir, sked14 Feb 2014 #130

The Bill of Rights protects you from government, not from the 95+% of society who Hoyt Feb 2014 #135

Man oh man, sked14 Feb 2014 #142

Yes, I have the right to know when someone is callous enough to strap a gun or two on to venture out Hoyt Feb 2014 #149

So we've gone full circle here, sked14 Feb 2014 #153

I'm claiming I have the right, the laws need to catch up, not stay in 1950s protecting Hoyt Feb 2014 #154

You can claim you have the right from a pedestal in Central Park in NYC, sked14 Feb 2014 #158

I have no respect for toted gunz, so I don't worry about spelling it "guns." Similarly, Hoyt Feb 2014 #160

Ok, but it just looks silly to me. sked14 Feb 2014 #162

As does your promotion/defense of gunz to me. Hoyt Feb 2014 #164

I'm not promoting/defending anything except one's right to privacy. sked14 Feb 2014 #166

Per chance, sked14 Feb 2014 #159

Nope, I walk up and in my best crusty pirate whisper in their ear, "r u an undercover agent, or Hoyt Feb 2014 #163

Very good satire, sked14 Feb 2014 #167

Not only that, he thinks people should try and detain them: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #169

I hope nobody took his advice, sked14 Feb 2014 #170

Hoyt's pronunciamentos re guns are usually of similar quality... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #171

I just give gun fanciers the respect they deserve. But sans gunz, I love you guys. Hoyt Feb 2014 #192

If he practiced what he preached... NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #204

Ha. Look at it this way - they do and they are. But they have privacy geckosfeet Feb 2014 #168

You want those with CCW's to have to wear something Identifying themselves? sked14 Feb 2014 #147

No, it's not oldhippie Feb 2014 #173

Look on page 1, paragraph 2 of the pdf I have linked to. Cleita Feb 2014 #185

I did, and your phrase is not there ...... oldhippie Feb 2014 #186

Good catch, I missed it, sked14 Feb 2014 #188

Fer chrissakes, the lack of quotes were because I was paraphrasing. Cleita Feb 2014 #190

It still does not give you the right to know what others have on their person. sked14 Feb 2014 #187

It gives me the right to be safe and protected from those who would Cleita Feb 2014 #189

But it still doesn't give you the right to know what others are carrying sked14 Feb 2014 #191

If it's something that can kill me? It better give me the right. Cleita Feb 2014 #193

No, I don't like open carry, it causes too much angst with people. sked14 Feb 2014 #194

Ok, I walk up to you - NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #205

You would have the right to know I'm carrying it and I think Cleita Feb 2014 #206

Well, in response to your app - NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #208

I don't think an amendment is necessary. I think you ought to be forced to wear a shirt with Hoyt Feb 2014 #96

Why not just tatoo those that carry? sked14 Feb 2014 #100

Some yahoo toters do tatoo gunz, and other signs of bigotry, on themselves. Hoyt Feb 2014 #103

But that's their chose, they're not forced to do so, sked14 Feb 2014 #112

Why not? We deserve to know, and some states have taken that position by requiring open carry. Hoyt Feb 2014 #114

You've gone from right to know to deserve to know. sked14 Feb 2014 #120

Public toting is an affront to society. Hoyt Feb 2014 #124

That's an opinion. sked14 Feb 2014 #134

Of course it is an opinion, as are yours that promote more gunz in more places. Hoyt Feb 2014 #138

Would not make a difference to me. MicaelS Feb 2014 #44

The stickers on your car thing - that bothers me a bit. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #88

It's not that I'm worried about confrontations as much as MicaelS Feb 2014 #122

"What would people do with a phone app --" IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #182

Personally sarisataka Feb 2014 #53

You could set it to make a repulsive sign/sound when it detects a gun toter. Hoyt Feb 2014 #58

I assume the "alerts" could be customized for each user. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #94

The sounds are limitless and are becoming more appealing as we flesh this out. Hoyt Feb 2014 #98

As entertaing as that would be sarisataka Feb 2014 #99

That is an interesting take -- in the "be aware/stay safe" department. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #90

I assume you mean notice as i go anout sarisataka Feb 2014 #110

Long arms in inappropriate places - schools, grocery stores, restaurants, shopping malls, etc. - IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #119

School would be an alarm sarisataka Feb 2014 #143

In my "territory"... tosh Feb 2014 #64

So the "car alarm" boredom would set in quickly. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #97

Yes, that is my view on the privacy issue. tosh Feb 2014 #132

I'm paranoid enough already without knowing. bravenak Feb 2014 #67

How about an app for gun nuts to tell them upaloopa Feb 2014 #70

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Hoyt Feb 2014 #156

Concealed carry people would love it YarnAddict Feb 2014 #71

Ah, so you see criminals using it as a tool to identify potential targets? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #102

Yup. YarnAddict Feb 2014 #146

All the criminals using guns would turn them in to authorities seveneyes Feb 2014 #76

Do you think this App should be able to differentiate between "legal" and IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #106

my thinking seveneyes Feb 2014 #129

I'd rather have an app to show me who nearby is extremely agitated or in the midst of a psychotic Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #78

I am starting to think I might set mine for "assault weapons only." IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #107

Or an App that reads the BAC of everyone nearby, since drunk/impaired petronius Feb 2014 #118

BAC and gunz would be a double alarm. Hoyt Feb 2014 #131

Of course, if it can read BAC, then it could read "carries these nasty germs" too. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #139

No more an invasion of privacy than your hypothetical gun sensor, and likely petronius Feb 2014 #150

That even a hypothetical discussion, indirectly related to firearms brings out cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #80

And it brings out the gun fanciers/promoters/apologists too. Hoyt Feb 2014 #105

I haven't seen any name calling, but I recently put a lot of people on Ignore. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #111

You could schedule on the fly OK Corral style shoot outs!!! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #109

Oooh! That is an actual doable App, isn't it? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #123

Absolutely doable. You could set up a website with stats too. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #137

Tagged only, with paintballs? Or just zapped on the phone using game specific tools? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #141

Do it at the Mall. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #161

Join the team *before* you arrive at the destination. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #183

Totally favor Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #133

I'd rather they chip convicted sex offenders & make an app to alert on their presence. -nt Bonx Feb 2014 #136

I would add all persons convicted of a violent crime .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #177

I wouldn't. Public registration isn't currently required for them. Bonx Feb 2014 #184

Public registration wasn't required of sex offenders at one time either. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #210

I can look that up on the internet now Generic Other Feb 2014 #209

Could this app be kept out of the hands of ATF agents? tularetom Feb 2014 #140

If they want to pay 99 cents, they can download it, too. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #145

I don't know all that much about current gun laws. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #144

For the most part, no it isn't public, sked14 Feb 2014 #151

In that case, I would have a serious problem with it,. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #155

It started exactly as you described, and then some interesting IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #197

It's almost never public info. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #201

I live in Texas... Javaman Feb 2014 #174

Break hell, phones in Texas would melt. n/t MicaelS Feb 2014 #175

In Texas, we will have phones that shoot .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #178

Won't happen, and ultimately not a good idea BainsBane Feb 2014 #195

What you said. sked14 Feb 2014 #196

I think it would be great, especially since the RW are the ones telling us there is kestrel91316 Feb 2014 #203

So you agree with the RW about privacy? What a surprise. Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author pacalo Feb 2014 #211

Kick. pacalo Feb 2014 #212

Even if it would work reliably and without possibility of disarmament, it violates privacy. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #213