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oldhippie

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30. Yes, it is ......

Sat Feb 8, 2014, 06:59 PM

Feb 2014

No matter your fancy graphs and changing the subject to electricity bills as a percentage of income, my friends in Munich pay the equivalent of $0.36 per kWh for the electricity from their utility company. I pay roughly $0.10 per kWh. They pay 3 times as much per kWh then I do. That's a fact. Obfuscate about efficiency and percentage of income and taxes and social programs and the price of tea in China all you want. They still pay over three times as much per kWh of electricity.

On edit: OK, I can see where you mean that the typical German's electric bill isn't 3X higher than a typical American's bill. That is true, and for the reasons you state. But the price per kWh is 3X more, and the typical US consumer isn't going to cut his electricity use in half or more anytime soon. At the current consumption rates their bills would be 3X higher.

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What if solar got the same subsidies as fossil fuel? [View all] Playinghardball Feb 2014 OP

Yes, but "Germany gets more sun than the United States"-FOX News JaneyVee Feb 2014 #1

That's a big steaming pile of bovine fecal matter. n/t RoccoR5955 Feb 2014 #14

It's bullshit too. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #24

Of what the morans at Fox don't know, or don't care to tell gLibDem Feb 2014 #25

The only two areas of the US that are close to the amount of sun... BobTheSubgenius Feb 2014 #48

Having lived in Pittsburgh I was impressed enough just knowing that gLibDem Feb 2014 #49

I saw that clip. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2014 #47

Off to the Greatest with ye! nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #2

Of course we should subsidize it, but sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #3

Can someone with knowledge of this subject please expain the situation regarding the existing ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #4

I'm slow, but I'll tell you more than you ever wanted to know. Iterate Feb 2014 #8

Perhaps if the US wasn't spending more than $2000 per SECOND on wars 8000 miles away solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #5

We need an upgrade to our grid anyway Champion Jack Feb 2014 #6

This is my stand, and done so as part of a massive public works campaign on the order of ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #9

Agreed Champion Jack Feb 2014 #28

Your relatives are misinformed. Iterate Feb 2014 #7

Thank you for the clarification sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #10

There's that. Also, ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #11

Only about half of which is for the electricity itself, the rest is for taxes Iterate Feb 2014 #16

And, the average German worker gets a ton more vacation time MH1 Feb 2014 #36

Well yeah, sure. They, like most of the rest of the "developed world", have laws requiring Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #41

The first thing you have to ask yourself -Why would anyone care? Iterate Feb 2014 #42

Except it isn't 3X higher, is it? kristopher Feb 2014 #17

Yes, it is ...... oldhippie Feb 2014 #30

That's odd abelenkpe Feb 2014 #20

No, I didn't say that ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #31

is that 3X only for what they use above what they produce? MH1 Feb 2014 #37

My last elec bill was 2.28! Love the panels. roody Feb 2014 #32

Think about the cost to the planet. eom roody Feb 2014 #45

How much is it? oldhippie Feb 2014 #46

I want a link. I think your relatives are either gLibDem Feb 2014 #26

Here is a link that debunks the prevailing lies. gLibDem Feb 2014 #29

What if cheri010353 Feb 2014 #27

We built the first grid with cooperatives - wouldn't this be possible for them and us? jwirr Feb 2014 #43

Would you happen to have a source for that image? nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #12

Source of the image.. Playinghardball Feb 2014 #19

Thanks, Playinghardball. Looks like it may have origins beyond that page. I'd like to share it ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #39

K&R. I want my oil subsidy taxes transferred to solar. And half my military taxes too. Overseas Feb 2014 #13

China sets new world record for solar installations GuardianUK Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #15

It's tragic that the switch to renewables has been lagging. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #18

Actually we are wildly exceeding expectations. kristopher Feb 2014 #34

Then we would be China. They know how to invest in their country. jtuck004 Feb 2014 #21

We dont need subsidies woo22 Feb 2014 #22

welcome to DU gopiscrap Feb 2014 #35

It's pretty simple. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #23

If the solar companies could buy Congress, things would be different. polichick Feb 2014 #33

K&R nt raouldukelives Feb 2014 #38

Yep. n/t DirkGently Feb 2014 #40

Good Question-from Reuters Progressive dog Feb 2014 #44