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MADem

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255. Trying to make this about me is a big fail for you.

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 02:39 PM

Feb 2014

You are speaking as if you know this guy's motivations, and you don't. You're also talking like you have an intimate knowledge of his resume--and you PLAINLY don't.

You're glossing over the fact that he jumped before he was pushed--during the Bush years, mind you--after his supervisor at CIA put a DEROS in his personnel file because he was trying to STEAL files. That's not "Tom Clancy" that's fact.

And you are also deliberately and obtusely glossing over the fact that he DID work for the NSA during the Bush years--from 2004 until 2006. As a twenty one year old kid, he got some substantial "experience" at NSA --- enough to QUALIFY him to be hired as a CIA sysadmin at a European posting in the first place. This, too, isn't "Tom Clancy"--it's fact.

You should try checking your facts before you snark. I am not the one who sounds ridiculous in this exchange.

But do go on with your bad self--you have a need to, I suppose?

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Why did it take a Democratic administration for Snowden to become a dissident? [View all] YoungDemCA Feb 2014 OP

The NSA's activities only became problematic when that black guy got into office. baldguy Feb 2014 #1

For the quadrillionth time NuclearDem Feb 2014 #5

There you go again, with that racist, linear interpretation of time. Marr Feb 2014 #103

Not true. He worked for them after leaving the Army in 2004. See post 163. nt MADem Feb 2014 #167

As a security guard at the NSA's version of DLI. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #176

And you know that's all he did, because he's your best friend? MADem Feb 2014 #180

Even if that's true NuclearDem Feb 2014 #184

A junior CIA sysadmin needs two things. MADem Feb 2014 #194

We're getting off track here. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #197

Well, as I mentioned in another post, his SF86 anniversary had arrived. MADem Feb 2014 #208

You keep saying that AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #289

OK, look at what you just wrote. MADem Feb 2014 #299

Guess again AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #198

You weren't a security guard, though, were you? MADem Feb 2014 #200

No I was an analyst AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #202

What sort of analyst? MADem Feb 2014 #214

I did none of the above AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #288

You were military, though? With a record of accomplishments? MADem Feb 2014 #290

Snowden was described by his NSA colleagues as a "genius among geniuses" riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #293

Snowden was a 'math prodigy'? Where did you come up with that? randome Feb 2014 #296

snort... okay. Snowden's own colleagues call him a genius among geniuses riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #307

I am not trying to denigrate Snowden. I'm highlighting what I think are glaring paradoxes. randome Feb 2014 #308

So you're judging Snowden on some kind of rumoured lack of friends??!! riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #315

Yeah, I might say that too if somebody used a shareware webcrawler to hack my box Recursion Feb 2014 #351

We aren't talking about the NSA when we talk about how he got there, though. MADem Feb 2014 #312

But by all accounts Snowden is a different animal riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #324

I will agree that there are all sorts of oddballs in both the MIC in general and Intel. MADem Feb 2014 #334

You're right. Before that he was an actual agent for the CIA, an organization he's said nothing on Recursion Feb 2014 #186

Snowjob worked for the CIA before he worked for NSA AnnieBW Feb 2014 #262

Actually, he never worked for the NSA. He worked for a contractor who had a underthematrix Feb 2014 #309

No. He worked for the NSA from 2004 and 2006. MADem Feb 2014 #319

Is it ironic that in your claim that Snowden is racist you yourself just made a racist statement? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #15

That's why it's called "irony". baldguy Feb 2014 #16

I'm saying you just made a racist statement. Which you shouldn't be happy about. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #18

Maybe you misunderstand the purpose of irony. baldguy Feb 2014 #24

Is your original post sarcastic? Because, if it was, then I suspect I am wrong. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #29

Here, this is just for you. baldguy Feb 2014 #34

You mean you never heard of all the other Whistle Blowers during the Bush years? Where sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #25

Succinct and absolutely correct, as usual, Sabrina 1! Th1onein Feb 2014 #32

Too bad this won't lead to the prosecution of *co n.t WhiteTara Feb 2014 #55

Wish I could Rec your post x100 840high Feb 2014 #63

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #68

But not Snowden...he thought people like him should have their testicles removed then! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #74

He wasn't at the NSA during the Bush years. Marr Feb 2014 #108

It goes to credibility. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #139

Given the kind of people you consider credible NuclearDem Feb 2014 #150

How? Marr Feb 2014 #206

When it happened under Duhbya, Snowden was vicious BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #357

It doesn't matter if he's an asshole. Marr Feb 2014 #358

No. It doesn't. But it matters if he's a hypocritical GOP mole with a political agenda. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #359

No, it doesn't. Marr Feb 2014 #360

The information has a rightwing/libertarian bias. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #378

Facts don't have biases. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #379

True. But people do. And that's my problem with Snowden worship. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #380

"Snowden worship" is just an insult, not an argument. Marr Feb 2014 #382

No. In this case, it's apropos. And it doesn't matter if it's considered an insult by some. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #383

Wow. Marr Feb 2014 #384

Everyone's a critic. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #385

Well, yes, he was, actually. His first job after getting out of the Army was MADem Feb 2014 #163

Again-- he was not working for the NSA in any meaningful sense in the Bush years. Marr Feb 2014 #205

And you know this...how? MADem Feb 2014 #211

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound here? Marr Feb 2014 #248

Trying to make this about me is a big fail for you. MADem Feb 2014 #255

There you go again, just making shit up. Marr Feb 2014 #257

Reading is fundamental--and you're not doing that. MADem Feb 2014 #258

He was a security guard. If you're asking why he didn't go public during the Bush years... Marr Feb 2014 #275

You don't have access to his resume. Neither do I. MADem Feb 2014 #277

*I'M* the one dealing in fantasy, because I find your asinine Tom Clancy time-travel conspiracy Marr Feb 2014 #301

No--you are creating conclusions (while tossing repeated childish insults) MADem Feb 2014 #305

You might want to take your own advice. Marr Feb 2014 #336

As the kids used to say, talk to the hand. nt MADem Feb 2014 #338

Let's take this as fact, is the argument now that in 2006 Snowden was attempting to steal files TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #294

I think two or more things can be true and also be unrelated. MADem Feb 2014 #303

Why do you think he had the clairvoyance to know to go after Obama in 2006? TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #386

If you aren't going to read what I write, I'm not going to talk to you. MADem Feb 2014 #390

Oh...I read what you wrote, I'll put you down for rejecting the OP TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #392

Occam's razor. Langley benefits from this directly; no need to look for another patron Recursion Feb 2014 #331

Not really, though. Langley's provincial attitude towards their personnel jackets is what MADem Feb 2014 #337

Well, that would be an excellent result Recursion Feb 2014 #350

How often are "security guards" given the Keys to the Kingdom? n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #209

I suppose it depends on the kingdom. MADem Feb 2014 #213

wow. great rant sabrina1. liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #142

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #295

hear, hear Sabrina! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #387

Exactly! BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #42

You're applauding someone who is so outstandingly wrong if there was a sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #77

Sorry. But GG has zero credibility as a whistleblower. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #134

Are you in the wrong thread? Greenwald is not the topic of this discussion. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #172

Yeah, well, after he defended BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #266

I'm not interested in gossip. I'm interested in what is going on in this country and how sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #267

Having had the "pleasure" of reading your posts, I've noticed BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #356

A cursory mention of the issue at stake, the rest is gossip. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #391

It's ALWAYS about the messengers, isn't it? Th1onein Feb 2014 #222

Did you miss the last sentence in my post? Couldn't read that far? BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #264

Sorry, the SOURCES have been proven correct. Th1onein Feb 2014 #320

NO ONE, not even this Greenwald/SnowdenHater said that the message BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #342

Do you have any idea what credibility means? Th1onein Feb 2014 #345

Naw. Just because you don't understand a post, doesn't mean it's "flawed". BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #354

Now, you're resorting to gibberish. Th1onein Feb 2014 #365

If you can't win a debate, call it "gibberish" or "flawed". BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #377

Ohh the libertarian talking point... former9thward Feb 2014 #2

Excellent read. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #3

See post #5. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #30

And what is YOUR agenda? Th1onein Feb 2014 #33

To have a modest, underwhelming existence until the day I take my last breath. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #49

.. Cha Feb 2014 #51

Go ahead and be 'normal', TheMathieu, but don't be 'typical'. randome Feb 2014 #52

"We need all the atypical thinkers we can get." morningfog Feb 2014 #126

Strange, you don't answer the question. Th1onein Feb 2014 #123

You very much did answer the question for what it was worth. Cha Feb 2014 #286

Nah, he didn't. But you're so NICE to try to defend the indefensible. Th1onein Feb 2014 #328

Bravo to you, TheMathieu, for not buying into the twister bullshit. Cha Feb 2014 #330

This message was self-deleted by its author PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #4

Does Snowden's personal beliefs or history have any bearing on whether his claims are accurate? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #6

it goes to motivation and trustworthiness.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #75

You love that word "worship" doncha? Armstead Feb 2014 #87

I am not the one usually saying that word....but I like tossing it back in faces though! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #90

Unless he altered the documents before he released them NuclearDem Feb 2014 #93

and he now claims that Russia is the home of Human rights! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #96

Which is bullshit that he did. It's inexcusable. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #101

you mean the nothing.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #102

Right, the "nothing" we knew about already, was started under Bush... NuclearDem Feb 2014 #104

I don't remember Obama saying it was Snowden that spurred him...do you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #106

Anyone with a lick of sense knows nothing would happen if he did it during a Republican admin? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #7

No, it is about exposing a power hungry, renegade federal agency, bent on collecting information RC Feb 2014 #8

Snowden is an activist. Not for a second do I believe his current scheme is about Thinkingabout Feb 2014 #9

He was a teenager/early-20s kid during the Bush years. Raven Feb 2014 #10

the article isn't all about bush. Cha Feb 2014 #11

He joined the Army and then worked for the NSA in MD and then for the MADem Feb 2014 #199

the volume of bad snowden or greenwald ops is directly proportional to the damage from Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #12

Bingo. truebluegreen Feb 2014 #13

+1 Scuba Feb 2014 #22

Roger That cantbeserious Feb 2014 #26

plus 1 frwrfpos Feb 2014 #28

^^^THIS^^^ cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #31

This quakerboy Feb 2014 #36

Shhhhh polichick Feb 2014 #37

Yes. 840high Feb 2014 #65

Yep... WillyT Feb 2014 #71

+1 liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #146

This +1 AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #158

the pattern is obvious to all but those with pom poms bobduca Feb 2014 #393

Fuck Ron Paul lovin' Snowden and his "God complex".. all he's spewed from Russia is hate and lies Cha Feb 2014 #14

I'm still waiting for an explanation of how this invalidates anything reported from the leaks. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #17

Right...you wouldn't care if it were Rand Paul himself...yeah we get that.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #78

Oh, right. Because I'm an anarchist. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #97

Or something... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #99

You prefer being lied to instead of knowing the truth? Ok, good to know. I feel differently, though. Electric Monk Feb 2014 #100

You notice how angry they all are at Snowden? Th1onein Feb 2014 #127

We are not angry...we think he is nucking futz VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #151

Yeah AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #154

Anyone who opens his mouth and crazy stuff flies out....I usually consider pretty screwwy! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #162

So you don't ever look in the mirror do you? AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #166

Everyday....don't you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #171

:) AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #174

Is that the royal "We"? ljm2002 Feb 2014 #215

Speaking to what this poster directed at another group! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #250

Nice try... ljm2002 Feb 2014 #251

Exactement. ucrdem Feb 2014 #224

Libertarian asshole with a god-complex who's Putin's ratfucker now. Cha Feb 2014 #271

that too . . . ucrdem Feb 2014 #300

So now being opposed to dragnet surveillance is cynical Libertarianism? TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #19

Why do you hate the Fourth Amendment? OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #20

When the facts are against you, argue the law. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #21

So I should reject ideals, principles, and positions based upon who agrees with it? Savannahmann Feb 2014 #23

Excellent reply Oilwellian Feb 2014 #38

Great post. Broward Feb 2014 #69

Well around here...if you don't toe the line on EVERY issue you get tossed overboard...so... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #79

Awww. Marr Feb 2014 #109

I wasn't the one crying about it...I was just pointing out facts! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #115

Not really. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #112

As a rape survivor? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #117

That only made the statements you made even more appalling. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #119

Yeah sure....rapes survivors are always appalling right? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #131

I wonder if the Authoritarians realize just how stupid it is? Savannahmann Feb 2014 #242

Bingo! Prime Example of what I was talking about... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #249

TheTrueHeeHawIDIOT = Snowden. Whisp Feb 2014 #27

It doesn't really matter, what's important is he took this courageous action quinnox Feb 2014 #35

THIS is NOT courage...it may be alot of things...but courage it is not... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #80

Snowden is a yellow sob. Dawson Leery Feb 2014 #85

And he cannot comprehend why that is even a problem.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #91

Snowden is showing his right wing libertarianism. Dawson Leery Feb 2014 #113

Yeah!!!! AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #132

Right...sure... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #135

Huh AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #138

I haven't had charges filed against me as far as I know... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #147

I am not sure you would know AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #155

I'm pretty sure I would... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #160

Yeah AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #165

I'm confused Adam051188 Feb 2014 #39

oooh, you just insulted the sweet bebe jeebus... dionysus Feb 2014 #40

... Cha Feb 2014 #46

The message is good. The messenger, however, has zero credibility. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #41

This. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #44

Snowden has made this about himself.. him and his Cha Feb 2014 #48

You're so right, Cha . . . brush Feb 2014 #62

Pussy Riot went to jail. When they were freed, they still spoke up against Putin. randome Feb 2014 #64

They have so much courage.. It's laughable when Cha Feb 2014 #72

Pussy Riot has the courage that Comrade Snowden WISHES he had! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #82

A FREAKING Men Number23 Feb 2014 #95

It's not just Gay Equality, brush.. Cha Feb 2014 #70

The question of the century right here: Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #353

Libertarians Suck the Big Homophobic, Racist, and Women's Rights, republicon Cha Feb 2014 #355

Don't forget he is Comrade Snowden now! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #81

What's a poor hacker to do?.. Cha Feb 2014 #92

Yeah he loves him some Mother Russia! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #94

Oh dear lord ...read this, Cha. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #110

"Vatican Forces Storm Dome of the Rock, Pope names Snowden Messiah" Cha Feb 2014 #125

No, YOU have made it about Snowden. Constant harping on him. Th1onein Feb 2014 #129

Snowden made it about himself.. constantly coming out and harping about fucking bullshit. Cha Feb 2014 #130

Snowden made everyone pay attention, finally. Th1onein Feb 2014 #221

Snowden has a god/persecution complex and "everything out of his mouth is fucking nuts". Cha Feb 2014 #268

Sorry, Cha, the cat's already out of the bag. Th1onein Feb 2014 #318

Everything out of Snowden's mouth is fuckin' nuts. Cha Feb 2014 #366

You wanna talk about the spying . . . brush Feb 2014 #148

What you so conveniently forget is that we stand for those rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. Th1onein Feb 2014 #220

The Bill of Rights? brush Feb 2014 #247

He should only have told Americans that their rights were abridged? Th1onein Feb 2014 #316

So the US should not deploy covert operatives? brush Feb 2014 #344

Off to Ignore with you! Th1onein Feb 2014 #346

You don't get it. I don't care brush Feb 2014 #349

You're lucky.. Cha Feb 2014 #367

And, that is where Snowden's god complex comes into play. He's a hypocrite as he sits there in Cha Feb 2014 #326

Thank you for highlighting this Snowden creep's Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #43

Tsk. Tsk. Another kill the messenger message. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #45

If the creepy shoes fits..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #84

Was Obama sympathetic to the opposition (the NSA) before he became president? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #137

WTF does that even mean VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #144

Try again. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #153

Dear lord. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #149

Do you know that the NSA info gathering story came out first during the Bush years? brush Feb 2014 #159

Probably not AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #169

If so, why is the NSA still in operation under Obama? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #170

It's a two-part story brush Feb 2014 #189

The fact that we are illegally AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #191

Did you not understand that I said Snowden's reveal of domestic spying is a good thing brush Feb 2014 #193

Great AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #201

I'm not understanding brush Feb 2014 #204

I am unsure what you are trying to say. AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #297

Metadata collection isn't spying and it isn't illegal. ucrdem Feb 2014 #306

Sorry for the misunderstanding brush Feb 2014 #313

Thank you AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #321

Broadly, in the CIA/NSA street fight, Democrats prefer the NSA and Republicans the CIA Recursion Feb 2014 #183

Why do you care AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #141

He could be Hitler for all you care! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #145

LMAO AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #152

But since he is not... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #157

He is none of those things AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #161

But again...this surprise that he gets this kind of reaction on DU is really kind of weak sauce VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #168

I don't think he is a hero AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #173

then maybe its not directed at you... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #375

The CIA called him a thief when he worked in Europe, so long as we're in the Facts Business, here. MADem Feb 2014 #178

That has what bearing AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #179

It goes to motive. MADem Feb 2014 #188

And again, what does that have to do with what he released? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #195

As a response, I'll invite your attention to post 216. nt MADem Feb 2014 #217

I don't question his purity of heart AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #196

Well, you want to make this about what's "illegal" and I'm not sold. MADem Feb 2014 #216

He was also compared to Hitler Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #374

Maybe you'll get this brush Feb 2014 #175

Sorry AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #177

After a career in military intelligence Snowden's leaks are a revelation to you . . . brush Feb 2014 #185

1. Yes it has made me want to retire AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #190

Funny, that. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #256

As the technology gets better AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #287

OilemFirchen shoots and scores. ucrdem Feb 2014 #304

I have to agree. MADem Feb 2014 #343

There is something emotionally or even mentally wrong with the guy. randome Feb 2014 #47

But, every message from Snowden is Cha Feb 2014 #50

'Has his back'. randome Feb 2014 #54

Wow.. Cha Feb 2014 #57

Hey, thanks. It's just one of the tidbits of my past that makes me...interesting. randome Feb 2014 #59

Asperger syndrome isn't "something emotionally or mentally wrong". Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #60

'Ignorant' would be my guess. randome Feb 2014 #61

I have been saying Aspergers all along...but not emotionally or mentally wrong VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #88

I don't think you read what the poster wrote correctly. MADem Feb 2014 #218

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #232

You're really acquitting yourself well--not. MADem Feb 2014 #233

You're kind of a condescending twit. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #234

And you're rude and condescending yourself. MADem Feb 2014 #235

Oh, I see Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #236

You can goad and bait with strawman questions all day. MADem Feb 2014 #238

The only "deliberately obtuse" person I see here is you, actually. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #239

Are you getting the stimulation you apparently crave by MADem Feb 2014 #241

I'll point out that I'm only responding to you because you saw fit to call me out on something... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #243

I think its Aspergers....and that means that he doesn't really understand what is going on in VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #86

Give it a rest. You're only making yourself look petty. I'll leave it at that. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #274

Schizophrenia....I think that's the elephant in the room. Having watched msanthrope Feb 2014 #228

You're the fourth Bill Frist in this thread. Those law schools teach all sorts of things these days. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #253

He's a Ron Paul-bot. GoCubsGo Feb 2014 #298

It didn't really matter what party was in office. It is real simple. Rex Feb 2014 #53

He's out to wreck Obama's third term reddread Feb 2014 #56

No, if anything.. the ratfucker is out to wreck the Cha Feb 2014 #58

with Coulter's pubes between his teeth? reddread Feb 2014 #66

Oh do proceed with your perverted ann coulter obsession. Cha Feb 2014 #73

keep quoting corporate paycheck cashing libertarians with vicious, fascist bed partners reddread Feb 2014 #230

"Everything out of Snowden's Mouth is Fuckin' Nuts" Ed has a god-complex-he's Putin's Ratfucker Cha Feb 2014 #273

take a bite reddread Feb 2014 #278

Poor Snowden.. he's Putin's Ratfucker now.. :( Cha Feb 2014 #281

wanna buy some Coulter memorabilia? reddread Feb 2014 #282

Comrade Snowden is Happy As A Clam.. he only sings for Putin.. Cha Feb 2014 #291

23 recs reddread Feb 2014 #292

He never dated or had sex with her....he has said so publicly VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #89

Yeah, because only OUR side winning matters. It doesn't matter what they stand for. Th1onein Feb 2014 #223

Snowden is Putin's Ratfucker. Cha Feb 2014 #269

snowden is NOT a dissident. He is a foreign agent, like several GOP members of Congress underthematrix Feb 2014 #67

Yep. ucrdem Feb 2014 #226

Foreign? Not sure. Pretty sure Langley is pretty happy about what he did, though Recursion Feb 2014 #327

Oh, come on now! All the Skull and Bonesmen, oops, sorry, I meant Wiffenpoofs running Langley Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #340

THIS ISN'T FUCKING AMERICAN IDOL Armstead Feb 2014 #76

It's all American Idol, now. That's all they care about. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #98

The Snowden Christmas message was a nice touch, though. ProSense Feb 2014 #114

Speak of the devil. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #116

Blah! ProSense Feb 2014 #118

Don't you ever get tired rolling on the floor laughing all the time? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #121

No, I mean ProSense Feb 2014 #122

As usual you manage to trivialize the issue Armstead Feb 2014 #120

"He can strip down buck naked and moon the camera for all I care. " ProSense Feb 2014 #124

You bring out my self-righeteousness with your condescending crap Armstead Feb 2014 #237

Please ProSense Feb 2014 #240

I should amend to... Armstead Feb 2014 #245

another righteous rant. It's sad to see so many defend bad policy just because we have a liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #156

Public Relations Cos Play bobduca Feb 2014 #394

Because we all thought this administration would walk the NSA insanity back, Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #83

Drake was initially pursued by the Bush Administration. randome Feb 2014 #107

But didn't we Madam Mossfern Feb 2014 #105

Kick for ProSense Feb 2014 #111

But, Eddie(can I call him Eddie?).. is in the Free World NOW! Cha Feb 2014 #128

Well AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #136

There's a dicotomy to the Snowden story that seems to escape some people brush Feb 2014 #181

I agree 100%!!!! n/t DebJ Feb 2014 #203

Hey Mahalo brush for explaining the dicotomy of the Snowden saga. Cha Feb 2014 #270

It is amazing AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #133

Yeah, so much for the Constitution. Broward Feb 2014 #244

You aren't suppose to be asking those kinds of questions davidpdx Feb 2014 #140

LMAO AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #143

Better question. Why did what's going on in the NSA go on under a Democratic regime? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #164

"Regime"? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #259

Regime. Those in power. Government. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #260

Modern usage OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #261

Seems apt to me, considering what the NSA does at the behest of the regime. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #272

And the circle is complete. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #280

Rephrased for those with frail sensibilities: Orsino Feb 2014 #389

On that note: why not a word about the CIA, which Snowden was actually an agent for? Recursion Feb 2014 #182

I get so tired of these bullcrap accusations. Th1onein Feb 2014 #225

Yup. I see Snowden's CIA work has gone straight down the memory hole Recursion Feb 2014 #231

Why don't you supply a link to underpin your accusations? Th1onein Feb 2014 #317

What "accusation"? It was in the Guardian's profile of him. Recursion Feb 2014 #322

He was hardly a spook in the correct sense of the word. Th1onein Feb 2014 #325

Yes, a CIA direct-hire with diplomatic cover is precisely what a "spook" is Recursion Feb 2014 #329

STOP LYING. It does your argument no good. Th1onein Feb 2014 #333

That is exactly being a spy for the CIA. You should really learn a little more about this Recursion Feb 2014 #341

Spies are often responsible for the heating and air conditioning systems. Righhhhht! Th1onein Feb 2014 #347

Snowden wasn't responsible for HVAC, but I don't think you understand "diplomatic cover" Recursion Feb 2014 #348

Why don't you just admit that you're wrong? Th1onein Feb 2014 #363

LOL! Recursion Feb 2014 #369

And when you can't admit you're wrong, what do you do? Th1onein Feb 2014 #372

It's getting *ridiculous*. Marr Feb 2014 #361

I think we've heard it all now. Th1onein Feb 2014 #364

Um..he actually did work for the CIA. Really. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #314

Actually, it doesn't matter. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #187

So Snowden is a hypocrite for holding different opinions when Bush and Obama did things? JoeyT Feb 2014 #192

+1, excellent point. Marr Feb 2014 #276

MOOT MOOT! Sounds like a horn, doesn't it? Fog horn? Train horn? SEE POST #5. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #207

As for post #5 . . . brush Feb 2014 #212

Interesting stuff about Snowden. Looks like I would not care for him at all as a person. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #210

The title of your OP is your answer. nT arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #219

Snowball's leaks are calculated to inflict maximum damage to PBO. ucrdem Feb 2014 #227

My Mileage Varies A Lot.... sendero Feb 2014 #229

Because during the Bush* Admin, he would just have been a Terrorist? quaker bill Feb 2014 #246

i am pretty sure OBama promised us all a more transparent government La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #252

I have been thinking a lot about that too. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #254

I suppose a counter-question might be ... BlueCheese Feb 2014 #263

FDR? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #265

It was also his authorization that led to the Japanese American internments. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #284

"If a Republican had done that, Democrats would have been pissed off about it." OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #285

That is a good question too. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #279

He wasn't hired by Booz Allen until 2009 so he had no access riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #283

Screwy bio and hard to believe in any recension. ucrdem Feb 2014 #302

I don't think anyone's screwed up his bio. Do you have links to that accusation? nt riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #310

Um, you just responded to it. nt ucrdem Feb 2014 #311

You're the who said his bio is screwed up. Give me a link to that nt riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #332

"5 ways NSA leaker Edward Snowden's story isn't holding up" ucrdem Feb 2014 #335

I still can't wrap my head around the Geneva posting Recursion Feb 2014 #352

He said his time as a CIA agent in Geneva changed his mind Recursion Feb 2014 #323

Interesting theory. My take on it: ucrdem Feb 2014 #339

Boom! "The payoff of the Snowden affair for Putin and the Russians.." Cha Feb 2014 #362

Because snowden's a libertarian asshole in the same vein as ron paul and sonny rand. Cha Feb 2014 #368

Granted the fundamental idea of privacy is important. nilesobek Feb 2014 #370

This is a shoddy OP on your part Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #371

These guys don't care. Th1onein Feb 2014 #373

pfft.... mike_c Feb 2014 #376

The better question would be... Oilwellian Feb 2014 #381

Better question, why are these crimes committed against the people of the US nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #388