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In reply to the discussion: Are SYG laws weapon agnostic? [View all]I love me some MoJo, but they are seriously biased when it comes to reporting on gun issues:
A juror in the George Zimmerman trial broke her silence Monday night on national TV to say Florida's "stand your ground" laws played a role in the decision to acquit the Sanford neighborhood watch captain.
But the woman, identified only as Juror B37, also said she had "no doubt" Zimmerman feared for his life in the final moments of his struggle with Trayvon Martin, and that was the definitive factor in the verdict. The juror spoke to CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 on Monday.
That matched the assessment of legal experts who earlier Monday were describing the verdict on Saturday as the result of successful, garden-variety self-defense arguments that could sway a jury in any state.
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Experienced prosecutors and law professors agreed that they think jurors were swayed by basic self-defense arguments made by Zimmerman's attorneys: Regardless of who initiated the encounter, at the moment the deadly shot was fired, Zimmerman feared for his life.
But the woman, identified only as Juror B37, also said she had "no doubt" Zimmerman feared for his life in the final moments of his struggle with Trayvon Martin, and that was the definitive factor in the verdict. The juror spoke to CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 on Monday.
That matched the assessment of legal experts who earlier Monday were describing the verdict on Saturday as the result of successful, garden-variety self-defense arguments that could sway a jury in any state.
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Experienced prosecutors and law professors agreed that they think jurors were swayed by basic self-defense arguments made by Zimmerman's attorneys: Regardless of who initiated the encounter, at the moment the deadly shot was fired, Zimmerman feared for his life.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/despite-outcry-zimmermans-acquittal-was-not-based-on-stand-your-ground-laws/2131629
The key issue with the jury was that Zimmy convinced them that he was afraid for his life. He claimed he was jumped on and had no avenue of escape. That's what got him off. An SYG defense would involve HAVING an avenue of escape after the initial confrontation, but not using it. Zimmy's defense always claimed he had no avenue of escape once Trayvon supposedly pinned him to the ground. It's a defense that could have worked in any state.
I think he should have gone down for manslaughter just for going out of his way to look for trouble after being told not to, but Murder 2 was a serious overreach on the part of prosecutors and "poisoned the well," so to speak.
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Often misunderstood, as you demonstrated just now. Allow me to clarify it some for you.
Electric Monk
Feb 2014
#18
If you really want to see cognitive dissonance, show them the california jury instructions..
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#39
Never mind the actual criminal defense attorneys at DU who said it was straight self-defense.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#42
Did you mis-read my statement? We have a few criminal defense attorneys who post here.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#50
You know where I don't seek legal advice? From reporters / bloggers / talking heads.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#55
I spoke to quite a few. I have family in the business, as well as friends and friends-of-friends.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#57
So do you think california's jury instructions make similar cases there "SYG"?
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#81
Have anything actually substantive to contribute, or are you just going to snark in passing?
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#82
As I expected. Snark without substance. *sigh* I had such high hopes this time. n/t
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#100
Once again, the revelation of inconvenient truths has caused the ill-prepared to flee
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2014
#106
He got off because the SYG law changed the definition of self-defense in Florida.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#102
Maybe I missed it, but I read the FL SYG statute and it does not seem to say that deadly
AlinPA
Feb 2014
#20
Under florida's law you can start a fight and then kill your opponent if you are getting your ass
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#22
nontheless, you can start a fight and then legally kill the person you attacked.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#31
yes. Some people (here included) conflate syg laws with rkba - but they are separate.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#13
I can't legally carry a sword, folding baton, etc. But any yahoo can get a gun toting permit.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#44
Only a nutjob would openly carry a sword in public..... claiming it was for "self defense".
rdharma
Feb 2014
#84
That's the way I feel about gunz. People claim self-defense, but it's usually something else
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#91
Teabaggers would love that option, the whole world is a violent riot in their eyes. Too much TV! n/t
freshwest
Feb 2014
#75
Oh, darned! I thought I could get me some luv from serious gun enthusiasts.......
rdharma
Feb 2014
#96