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tavalon

(27,985 posts)
85. I'm not saying that doesn't happen
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 05:08 PM
Feb 2014

I am saying there is a huge gray market out there that you fine folks seem to be oblivious to. When my friend with Psoriatic arthritis and a sed rate through the roof, was called a drug seeker, she just turned to the overseas gray market. She needs pain meds to be able to get out of bed. She also needs (this, from me, her friend, the nurse) to get her ass to a decent rheumatologist, get on Embrel and hopefully, won't need those meds anymore.

This may well be a class issue, I don't know. But I do know that she isn't alone. And that many, many people with legitimate pain issues are being under treated for what ever reasons there might be. And middle class people don't hit the street, they hit the internet.

BTW, as an aside, I have IBS and when I get a really bad attack (like after a noro virus), the only thing that works is Lorazepam and it works fast. 2 days in most cases. To avoid being called a drug seeker, I put the rest of the lorazepam in a safe place (an actual safe for drugs, they actually have such things) for when I next need it. Luckily, there is much I can do to avoid an IBS attack and do, on a daily basis. Amytriptyline is the greatest thing ever for my IBS, as is exercise, avoiding certain foods (having Celiac as well, it's amazing there is actually food I can eat. LOL), avoiding ALL alcohol and using bulking fiber whether it's IBS-D or IBS-C. Did I mention probiotics? My doctor rocks. She understands IBS and I've told her my whole regimen and she is copacetic. She also almost always has another idea or two I hadn't thought of. And, since I have a trusting relationship with her, I almost always try her ideas unless they are forgetfully cornball, like, eat wheat bread! She caught herself really quickly.

Now, I know we are talking narcotics rather than sedatives, but they aren't so far apart, are they, really? Of course, if I needed sedatives all the time, I would be working with my doctor to come up with other things. But that's me. I have an immune system that's been trying to take me out since I was two years old. I'm now 50. My medical records could easily point to drug seeking, and yet, it's not true.

As a second, BTW, until I found my current physician, I always preferred PA's and NP's. They often have a listening and caring gene lacking in physicians. I know that you see "drug seeking" a lot but there is much you do not see. I think the under treatment of pain is a fair greater issue. When my friend finally gets onto Embrel and assuming (hoping) it makes her better, I will be there to help her safely taper off of the pain meds she's on. Unless she gets a good rheumatologist, then I will definitely leave that to her/him.

It's funny, my friend is terrified of addiction and yet, she doesn't realize that she has been taking the pain med for so long, she can't stop cold turkey. She doesn't show any of the usual signs of addiction, but she now has a high tolerance. Without a caring medical professional around (right now, that seems to be me. I don't know how she picks assholes as doctors on a regular basis, but that's a whole other story). Her psychiatrist rocks and BTW, is the only one who sussed out how she is getting the pain medicine she is using - this doctor is the only one who looks at her situation holistically. Needless, to say, her psychiatrist can't or shouldn't prescribe them, but knowing about her arthritis, she understands the problem and is monitoring it - her psychiatrist!

Sorry such a long post but under treatment of chronic pain is kind of a hot button with me.

Oh, and to fill out the picture of how I know the difference between addiction and tolerance, I volunteer with a group that offers clean needles, Hep B shots and education on overdose and the use of Narcan. Trust me, you never see those people in your clinic. Then again, maybe with ACA, that will change, but I doubt it.

We are both on the front lines but very different front lines, I'd say.

None of this is meant as a diss on you - I'm guessing you are a great PA. You just gave me a great post to pull my soapbox up to.

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So sorry.... CherokeeDem Feb 2014 #1
I'm thinking actually having a fracture is good cause to believe you 2pooped2pop Feb 2014 #2
Whe you asked if they thought I was throwing myself around for drugs rbrnmw Feb 2014 #21
I agree. Aristus Feb 2014 #26
I am sure that good DR's see their fair share rbrnmw Feb 2014 #34
Yeah. Waiting a little longer for the x-ray results would have Aristus Feb 2014 #37
to be fair this is Ohio rbrnmw Feb 2014 #40
I wanted to change from my primary physician to another one truedelphi Feb 2014 #75
I thought tramadol was not addictive nor a narcotic cally Feb 2014 #80
Yes, it is. Aristus Feb 2014 #81
thanks cally Feb 2014 #83
Maybe they are just making business for the Addiction Specialist siligut Feb 2014 #3
I know this is truly frustrating onlyadream Feb 2014 #4
This behavior by an M.D. is unprofessional rbrnmw Feb 2014 #5
It's not uncommon: jsr Feb 2014 #6
I can tell you #1 without even looking at the link. Barack_America Feb 2014 #9
Unless you are a nurse tavalon Feb 2014 #39
If you're asking specifically, I'm an MD. Barack_America Feb 2014 #43
As someone who has semi frequent neck pain Egnever Feb 2014 #53
I'm a big believer in the often over-looked Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation field. Barack_America Feb 2014 #59
Just be aware that untreated pain is fatal Warpy Feb 2014 #61
I'm not saying I wouldn't treat. Barack_America Feb 2014 #62
Really? All the junkies I knew back in Boston Warpy Feb 2014 #72
well the NYU back specialist I went to recommended NO physical therapy at all- even though he said bettyellen Feb 2014 #69
The effectiveness of Toradol is often underrated. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #55
Toradol is wonderful. I've got a surgery coming up and will be requesting it by name. Barack_America Feb 2014 #57
I totally agree Toradol works much better rbrnmw Feb 2014 #65
OMG how horrible. rbrnmw Feb 2014 #16
The brain cancer patient that he thought was a drug seeker...? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #20
The real malpractice there was not taking a good enough history... Barack_America Feb 2014 #25
Completely agreed, which is why I wish her family had looked into it. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #27
Many hospitals have policies on this now. Barack_America Feb 2014 #7
When the addiction specialist came in.... Adrahil Feb 2014 #11
The M.D. didn't have to use that disgusting tone of voice rbrnmw Feb 2014 #18
Then you should absolutely complain. Barack_America Feb 2014 #22
I think because of the surgery and the incident rbrnmw Feb 2014 #24
This is out of control hootinholler Feb 2014 #8
HIPPA allows healthcare professionals to share pt info as it relates to pt care siligut Feb 2014 #17
Prescriptions of narcotics for chronic pain is also out of control. Barack_America Feb 2014 #19
I'd like to see the studies behind your claim about dieing from narcotic abuse hootinholler Feb 2014 #23
CDC- 3/4 prescription drug overdoses caused by prescribed narcotics. Barack_America Feb 2014 #29
Holy crap! I would write letter to the administrator of that hospital Adrahil Feb 2014 #10
Do NOT pay the bill. Write a letter to Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #12
First, call your GP and get your hip treated. Second, call a personal injury lawyer. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #13
... WhiteTara Feb 2014 #14
That's just horrible. polly7 Feb 2014 #15
After reading all the links shared above rbrnmw Feb 2014 #28
Exactly! tavalon Feb 2014 #38
That is a ridiculous statement. Plenty of drug seekers come through the ED. Barack_America Feb 2014 #45
I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you on that, except in the absolute sense Aristus Feb 2014 #76
An ex-MIL of mine would visit a different ER every weekend madville Feb 2014 #82
I'm not saying that doesn't happen tavalon Feb 2014 #85
BTW I still have meds from surgery and from when mom died rbrnmw Feb 2014 #30
I'd be tempted to surrender them to the ED doc. Barack_America Feb 2014 #31
That's a good idea rbrnmw Feb 2014 #32
and ask him to check your LittleGirl Feb 2014 #33
You need to file a complaint with the hospital. Shrike47 Feb 2014 #35
That bullshit happens more than you might imagine tavalon Feb 2014 #36
He did release me with Ultram rbrnmw Feb 2014 #41
I had a similar and yet different experience once in an ER tavalon Feb 2014 #42
Why would they assume that? Helen Borg Feb 2014 #44
Maybe because this is Ohio rbrnmw Feb 2014 #48
Don't you love docs who know it all before they examine you? proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #46
It appears to be a common enough malady in Doctors. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #78
I have had similar... PsychGrad Feb 2014 #47
My pain was so bad from the sorefeet Feb 2014 #49
That is horrible, and thanks for sharing your experience! MissB Feb 2014 #50
Wonder why they didn't just drug test me rbrnmw Feb 2014 #51
Jesus H Christ on a trailer hitch! Warpy Feb 2014 #52
How do you tell a “junkie” from a person who’s in pain? Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #54
He DID treat my pain I was given Toradol rbrnmw Feb 2014 #56
I think using"horror story" and "emergency room" in the same phrase is redundent. hedgehog Feb 2014 #58
well my eyes are now wide open rbrnmw Feb 2014 #60
I have an autoimmune disease treated symptomatically with hedgehog Feb 2014 #71
This whole thing makes me afraid to ask for Soma. MrsKirkley Feb 2014 #63
The DEA is getting ready for cannabis legalization Fumesucker Feb 2014 #64
this is probably very true rbrnmw Feb 2014 #66
Without them having EVERY detail of your medical history and why medications were prescribed, bluestate10 Feb 2014 #67
maybe true but why not ask? rbrnmw Feb 2014 #70
Awful. elleng Feb 2014 #68
wow. what a horrible experience Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #73
What a bunch of fucking assholes REP Feb 2014 #74
it is CYA and doing things by rote demigoddess Feb 2014 #77
it was the rush to judgement and arrogant tone rbrnmw Feb 2014 #79
So sorry this happened to you TuxedoKat Feb 2014 #84
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