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In reply to the discussion: Are SYG laws weapon agnostic? [View all]COOPER: Did you feel like you understood the instructions from the judge, because they were very complex. I mean reading them, they were tough to follow.
You know the instructions from the judge which specifically cited Stand Your Ground, just like MoJo said.
JUROR: Right. And that was our problem. It was just so confusing what went with what and what we could apply to what. Because there was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something. And after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there is just no way -- other place to go.
COOPER: Because of the two options you had, second-degree murder or manslaughter, you felt neither applied.
JUROR: Right. Well because of the heat of the moment and the Stand Your Ground. He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or that he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right. [CNN, Anderson Cooper 360, 7/15/13]
COOPER: Because of the two options you had, second-degree murder or manslaughter, you felt neither applied.
JUROR: Right. Well because of the heat of the moment and the Stand Your Ground. He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or that he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right. [CNN, Anderson Cooper 360, 7/15/13]
So I guess we can impeach CNN too, because after all CNN was founded by Ted Turner and used to be biased against conservatives. So it's their fault for asking leading questions to the juror.
Kinda telling that your source leaves that part out, no? I guess including it would have been just too biased against gun nuttery, so we can't have any of that.
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Often misunderstood, as you demonstrated just now. Allow me to clarify it some for you.
Electric Monk
Feb 2014
#18
If you really want to see cognitive dissonance, show them the california jury instructions..
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#39
Never mind the actual criminal defense attorneys at DU who said it was straight self-defense.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#42
Did you mis-read my statement? We have a few criminal defense attorneys who post here.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#50
You know where I don't seek legal advice? From reporters / bloggers / talking heads.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#55
I spoke to quite a few. I have family in the business, as well as friends and friends-of-friends.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#57
So do you think california's jury instructions make similar cases there "SYG"?
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#81
Have anything actually substantive to contribute, or are you just going to snark in passing?
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#82
As I expected. Snark without substance. *sigh* I had such high hopes this time. n/t
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#100
Once again, the revelation of inconvenient truths has caused the ill-prepared to flee
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2014
#106
He got off because the SYG law changed the definition of self-defense in Florida.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#102
Maybe I missed it, but I read the FL SYG statute and it does not seem to say that deadly
AlinPA
Feb 2014
#20
Under florida's law you can start a fight and then kill your opponent if you are getting your ass
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#22
nontheless, you can start a fight and then legally kill the person you attacked.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#31
yes. Some people (here included) conflate syg laws with rkba - but they are separate.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#13
I can't legally carry a sword, folding baton, etc. But any yahoo can get a gun toting permit.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#44
Only a nutjob would openly carry a sword in public..... claiming it was for "self defense".
rdharma
Feb 2014
#84
That's the way I feel about gunz. People claim self-defense, but it's usually something else
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#91
Teabaggers would love that option, the whole world is a violent riot in their eyes. Too much TV! n/t
freshwest
Feb 2014
#75
Oh, darned! I thought I could get me some luv from serious gun enthusiasts.......
rdharma
Feb 2014
#96