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In reply to the discussion: Are SYG laws weapon agnostic? [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)59. I'm interested in the answers to this question:
Can I throw someone from the top of a big building and claim SYG?
While throwing someone off a building does have a certain satisfying appeal, it might still fit the definition of self-defense if you were being mugged. You could stay on the building and be 'standing your ground.' Even though the person tossed thought it was their ground, too.
There was a case of a father who took his son and jumped to their death reported on DU a while back, and that seemed like a murder-suicide, but at that time, they didn't say. It appeared to be a child custody affair, and I'm speculating that the father thought his son being with the mother was worse than death, so he felt he was defending him. Or it could have been revenge, which is what a lot of SYG seems to be.
As your other examples are of weapons, and there would be no weapon involved except oneself, and if one jumped with them there might not be a SYG crime. I think this is what you are getting at, the intent without specificity to method. There was the case of the SYG in N.M. with the kick boxer, no weapons but his hands and feet, although the intruder had a knife on him, IIRC.
Back to throwing a person off a building, though. So what if you jump along with them? Is it suicide or murder? Or both? And whose ground is being stood upon in that case?
Didn't Riggs throw him off the building?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
While throwing someone off a building does have a certain satisfying appeal, it might still fit the definition of self-defense if you were being mugged. You could stay on the building and be 'standing your ground.' Even though the person tossed thought it was their ground, too.
There was a case of a father who took his son and jumped to their death reported on DU a while back, and that seemed like a murder-suicide, but at that time, they didn't say. It appeared to be a child custody affair, and I'm speculating that the father thought his son being with the mother was worse than death, so he felt he was defending him. Or it could have been revenge, which is what a lot of SYG seems to be.
As your other examples are of weapons, and there would be no weapon involved except oneself, and if one jumped with them there might not be a SYG crime. I think this is what you are getting at, the intent without specificity to method. There was the case of the SYG in N.M. with the kick boxer, no weapons but his hands and feet, although the intruder had a knife on him, IIRC.
Back to throwing a person off a building, though. So what if you jump along with them? Is it suicide or murder? Or both? And whose ground is being stood upon in that case?
Didn't Riggs throw him off the building?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Often misunderstood, as you demonstrated just now. Allow me to clarify it some for you.
Electric Monk
Feb 2014
#18
If you really want to see cognitive dissonance, show them the california jury instructions..
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#39
Never mind the actual criminal defense attorneys at DU who said it was straight self-defense.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#42
Did you mis-read my statement? We have a few criminal defense attorneys who post here.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#50
You know where I don't seek legal advice? From reporters / bloggers / talking heads.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#55
I spoke to quite a few. I have family in the business, as well as friends and friends-of-friends.
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#57
So do you think california's jury instructions make similar cases there "SYG"?
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#81
Have anything actually substantive to contribute, or are you just going to snark in passing?
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#82
As I expected. Snark without substance. *sigh* I had such high hopes this time. n/t
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#100
Once again, the revelation of inconvenient truths has caused the ill-prepared to flee
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2014
#106
He got off because the SYG law changed the definition of self-defense in Florida.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#102
Maybe I missed it, but I read the FL SYG statute and it does not seem to say that deadly
AlinPA
Feb 2014
#20
Under florida's law you can start a fight and then kill your opponent if you are getting your ass
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#22
nontheless, you can start a fight and then legally kill the person you attacked.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#31
yes. Some people (here included) conflate syg laws with rkba - but they are separate.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#13
I can't legally carry a sword, folding baton, etc. But any yahoo can get a gun toting permit.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#44
Only a nutjob would openly carry a sword in public..... claiming it was for "self defense".
rdharma
Feb 2014
#84
That's the way I feel about gunz. People claim self-defense, but it's usually something else
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#91
Teabaggers would love that option, the whole world is a violent riot in their eyes. Too much TV! n/t
freshwest
Feb 2014
#75
Oh, darned! I thought I could get me some luv from serious gun enthusiasts.......
rdharma
Feb 2014
#96