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Drahthaardogs

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68. Who do you choose to believe

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:14 PM

Feb 2014

An academic or the opinion of drillers and rig hands? They all say the same thing. Chinee steel causes lots of problems with contamination. As for the droughts it uses a lot of water but they can recycle if they choose.

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Fracking is a huge environmental and human threat. Why does Obama support it? [View all] cali Feb 2014 OP

Because he is a corporatist nt LiberalEsto Feb 2014 #1

He loves the money folk. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #15

Because he is a corporatist. Oh, did you say that? Well, then I agree. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #28

Always has been BlueJac Feb 2014 #45

But his former Interior Secretary says it has not “created an environmental problem for anyone” jsr Feb 2014 #2

so do quite a few DUers. cali Feb 2014 #4

Good luck getting a straight answer to your question. Laelth Feb 2014 #3

Because he's sooo bi-partisany Wilms Feb 2014 #5

I think the EPA and their shenanigans is connected to the President's support cali Feb 2014 #6

There is nothing quite so dreamy as cooperating with Republicans. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #59

return on investment? joshcryer Feb 2014 #7

Interesting. If you'd like to expand, I'm genuinely interested. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #21

on my phone right now joshcryer Feb 2014 #31

Only he knows. malthaussen Feb 2014 #8

But many experts in the field- as demonstrated in my OP- are quite clear about the dangers cali Feb 2014 #9

Well, some experts have paid good money in the form of campaign contributions Maedhros Feb 2014 #40

Only a know it all can afford to go through life without ever "trusting" the experts treestar Feb 2014 #11

When there is disagreement, shouldn't there at least be recognition of that? cali Feb 2014 #17

Who is it that does not recognize disagreement? treestar Feb 2014 #20

No, I'm stating that there is significant evidence that fracking is cali Feb 2014 #23

Maybe if we were seeing some money devoted to phasing out these horrible sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #32

Yep. Show me the money. malthaussen Feb 2014 #35

Because one again, he does not accept your conclusions wholesale? treestar Feb 2014 #10

want to post something that counters the facts that I posted? cali Feb 2014 #13

Good luck with that. It will never happen. Rex Feb 2014 #77

Yep. Why would any fracking company or politician do things out of "ill-will"? Wilms Feb 2014 #14

you really think they are doing it to harm you or others? treestar Feb 2014 #19

You done putting words in my mouth? Wilms Feb 2014 #22

No, I said nothing whatsoever about President Obama being evil. cali Feb 2014 #24

Only if Pres Obama says so. You are wasting your time trying to get any rhett o rick Feb 2014 #66

The people making money off of fracking don't care who it harms. Laelth Feb 2014 #26

Well until you explain how the "more complex" is helping the masses then rhett o rick Feb 2014 #29

Well said. Me too. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #61

Do you know anything about the science of fracking, about the actual harm sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #39

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it Enthusiast Feb 2014 #63

Here's an article that addresses earthquakes and fracking: sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #69

Thank you, Sabrina. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #73

everyone lives downstream--but some can buy houses upstream MisterP Feb 2014 #12

Or as Bernadotte, who owned the upstream house, said of Napoleon, malthaussen Feb 2014 #16

Anyone who has ever worked in the oil fields knows the main issue with fracking is Chinese steel. Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #18

What about the facts about fracking water usage and drought? cali Feb 2014 #25

Have you ever been in a gas field? Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #41

Supporters would have a lot more credibility if they would ever demand the "easy" answers TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #43

Federal Royalties are 12% on new gas leases. Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #50

Chinese Steel isn't the only issue and Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #51

No its not. Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #55

what about the problems associated with fracking and drought? cali Feb 2014 #56

Who do you choose to believe Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #68

scientists and researchers. I certainily don't believe the completely ANECDOTAL cali Feb 2014 #75

Except you do... Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #79

The west is in a 14-year drought. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #64

we need a better STRAW! pansypoo53219 Feb 2014 #27

For the same reasons he supports mandating everyone to buy corporate insurance solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #30

Just out of curiosity, truebluegreen Feb 2014 #44

That's a great question solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #54

Fair enough truebluegreen Feb 2014 #72

because hypocricy knows no bounds on DU... dionysus Feb 2014 #57

well, sure. it's hardly exclusive to DU cali Feb 2014 #58

'Cause that's what reagan democrats do. Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #33

Another disturbing thing about fracking is how much is done on public lands cali Feb 2014 #34

On the hopeful side, malthaussen Feb 2014 #36

Because... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #37

I'll let the President tell you himself: DeSwiss Feb 2014 #38

All of what oil goes to Europe? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #42

Probably meant the Keystone XL oil dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #76

Great question. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #46

I think it is too. I'm much more concerned about the explosive growth of fracking that Keystone cali Feb 2014 #47

As am I. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #48

not just allowed, but encouraged, expedited and subsidized cali Feb 2014 #49

I wonder though sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #52

that's not pertinent. cali Feb 2014 #53

May be,but sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #62

because he supports republican ideas and policies frwrfpos Feb 2014 #60

Becuase... bvar22 Feb 2014 #65

what rankles so, is that President Obama says the right things (frequently) about environmental cali Feb 2014 #67

He supports it because big money wants it and so what they want is what he does. nt arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #70

He believes it is the solution for climate change. reusrename Feb 2014 #71

yep. that's deeply cynical, or deeply ignorant or denial cali Feb 2014 #74

It's that third way thing rearing its ugly head AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #78

kick cali Feb 2014 #80