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348. Snowden wasn't responsible for HVAC, but I don't think you understand "diplomatic cover"

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:50 AM

Feb 2014

Snowden was responsible for computer security for CIA assets in Geneva. (State has people that do that for State. You're actually arguing with a low-level one right now.) He was given diplomatic cover. This means the Department of State gave him a diplomatic passport and falsely claimed he was working for them rather than the CIA. (Think about it for a second: when he was applying for his visa for Geneva do you think he told the Swiss consulate wherever he was, "well, you see, I work for the CIA..."?) State may have said he did a number of things, including HVAC, but the CIA doesn't send people to fix ventilation systems. General Services is a pretty common place to stash diplomatic cover people; it's kind of a running joke in all diplo communities. "He mops the floor", etc.

That is what "diplomatic cover" means, and the people who receive it are known as "spies".

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Why did it take a Democratic administration for Snowden to become a dissident? [View all] YoungDemCA Feb 2014 OP

The NSA's activities only became problematic when that black guy got into office. baldguy Feb 2014 #1

For the quadrillionth time NuclearDem Feb 2014 #5

There you go again, with that racist, linear interpretation of time. Marr Feb 2014 #103

Not true. He worked for them after leaving the Army in 2004. See post 163. nt MADem Feb 2014 #167

As a security guard at the NSA's version of DLI. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #176

And you know that's all he did, because he's your best friend? MADem Feb 2014 #180

Even if that's true NuclearDem Feb 2014 #184

A junior CIA sysadmin needs two things. MADem Feb 2014 #194

We're getting off track here. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #197

Well, as I mentioned in another post, his SF86 anniversary had arrived. MADem Feb 2014 #208

You keep saying that AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #289

OK, look at what you just wrote. MADem Feb 2014 #299

Guess again AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #198

You weren't a security guard, though, were you? MADem Feb 2014 #200

No I was an analyst AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #202

What sort of analyst? MADem Feb 2014 #214

I did none of the above AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #288

You were military, though? With a record of accomplishments? MADem Feb 2014 #290

Snowden was described by his NSA colleagues as a "genius among geniuses" riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #293

Snowden was a 'math prodigy'? Where did you come up with that? randome Feb 2014 #296

snort... okay. Snowden's own colleagues call him a genius among geniuses riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #307

I am not trying to denigrate Snowden. I'm highlighting what I think are glaring paradoxes. randome Feb 2014 #308

So you're judging Snowden on some kind of rumoured lack of friends??!! riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #315

Yeah, I might say that too if somebody used a shareware webcrawler to hack my box Recursion Feb 2014 #351

We aren't talking about the NSA when we talk about how he got there, though. MADem Feb 2014 #312

But by all accounts Snowden is a different animal riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #324

I will agree that there are all sorts of oddballs in both the MIC in general and Intel. MADem Feb 2014 #334

You're right. Before that he was an actual agent for the CIA, an organization he's said nothing on Recursion Feb 2014 #186

Snowjob worked for the CIA before he worked for NSA AnnieBW Feb 2014 #262

Actually, he never worked for the NSA. He worked for a contractor who had a underthematrix Feb 2014 #309

No. He worked for the NSA from 2004 and 2006. MADem Feb 2014 #319

Is it ironic that in your claim that Snowden is racist you yourself just made a racist statement? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #15

That's why it's called "irony". baldguy Feb 2014 #16

I'm saying you just made a racist statement. Which you shouldn't be happy about. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #18

Maybe you misunderstand the purpose of irony. baldguy Feb 2014 #24

Is your original post sarcastic? Because, if it was, then I suspect I am wrong. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #29

Here, this is just for you. baldguy Feb 2014 #34

You mean you never heard of all the other Whistle Blowers during the Bush years? Where sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #25

Succinct and absolutely correct, as usual, Sabrina 1! Th1onein Feb 2014 #32

Too bad this won't lead to the prosecution of *co n.t WhiteTara Feb 2014 #55

Wish I could Rec your post x100 840high Feb 2014 #63

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #68

But not Snowden...he thought people like him should have their testicles removed then! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #74

He wasn't at the NSA during the Bush years. Marr Feb 2014 #108

It goes to credibility. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #139

Given the kind of people you consider credible NuclearDem Feb 2014 #150

How? Marr Feb 2014 #206

When it happened under Duhbya, Snowden was vicious BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #357

It doesn't matter if he's an asshole. Marr Feb 2014 #358

No. It doesn't. But it matters if he's a hypocritical GOP mole with a political agenda. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #359

No, it doesn't. Marr Feb 2014 #360

The information has a rightwing/libertarian bias. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #378

Facts don't have biases. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #379

True. But people do. And that's my problem with Snowden worship. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #380

"Snowden worship" is just an insult, not an argument. Marr Feb 2014 #382

No. In this case, it's apropos. And it doesn't matter if it's considered an insult by some. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #383

Wow. Marr Feb 2014 #384

Everyone's a critic. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #385

Well, yes, he was, actually. His first job after getting out of the Army was MADem Feb 2014 #163

Again-- he was not working for the NSA in any meaningful sense in the Bush years. Marr Feb 2014 #205

And you know this...how? MADem Feb 2014 #211

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound here? Marr Feb 2014 #248

Trying to make this about me is a big fail for you. MADem Feb 2014 #255

There you go again, just making shit up. Marr Feb 2014 #257

Reading is fundamental--and you're not doing that. MADem Feb 2014 #258

He was a security guard. If you're asking why he didn't go public during the Bush years... Marr Feb 2014 #275

You don't have access to his resume. Neither do I. MADem Feb 2014 #277

*I'M* the one dealing in fantasy, because I find your asinine Tom Clancy time-travel conspiracy Marr Feb 2014 #301

No--you are creating conclusions (while tossing repeated childish insults) MADem Feb 2014 #305

You might want to take your own advice. Marr Feb 2014 #336

As the kids used to say, talk to the hand. nt MADem Feb 2014 #338

Let's take this as fact, is the argument now that in 2006 Snowden was attempting to steal files TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #294

I think two or more things can be true and also be unrelated. MADem Feb 2014 #303

Why do you think he had the clairvoyance to know to go after Obama in 2006? TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #386

If you aren't going to read what I write, I'm not going to talk to you. MADem Feb 2014 #390

Oh...I read what you wrote, I'll put you down for rejecting the OP TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #392

Occam's razor. Langley benefits from this directly; no need to look for another patron Recursion Feb 2014 #331

Not really, though. Langley's provincial attitude towards their personnel jackets is what MADem Feb 2014 #337

Well, that would be an excellent result Recursion Feb 2014 #350

How often are "security guards" given the Keys to the Kingdom? n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #209

I suppose it depends on the kingdom. MADem Feb 2014 #213

wow. great rant sabrina1. liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #142

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #295

hear, hear Sabrina! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #387

Exactly! BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #42

You're applauding someone who is so outstandingly wrong if there was a sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #77

Sorry. But GG has zero credibility as a whistleblower. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #134

Are you in the wrong thread? Greenwald is not the topic of this discussion. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #172

Yeah, well, after he defended BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #266

I'm not interested in gossip. I'm interested in what is going on in this country and how sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #267

Having had the "pleasure" of reading your posts, I've noticed BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #356

A cursory mention of the issue at stake, the rest is gossip. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #391

It's ALWAYS about the messengers, isn't it? Th1onein Feb 2014 #222

Did you miss the last sentence in my post? Couldn't read that far? BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #264

Sorry, the SOURCES have been proven correct. Th1onein Feb 2014 #320

NO ONE, not even this Greenwald/SnowdenHater said that the message BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #342

Do you have any idea what credibility means? Th1onein Feb 2014 #345

Naw. Just because you don't understand a post, doesn't mean it's "flawed". BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #354

Now, you're resorting to gibberish. Th1onein Feb 2014 #365

If you can't win a debate, call it "gibberish" or "flawed". BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #377

Ohh the libertarian talking point... former9thward Feb 2014 #2

Excellent read. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #3

See post #5. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #30

And what is YOUR agenda? Th1onein Feb 2014 #33

To have a modest, underwhelming existence until the day I take my last breath. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #49

.. Cha Feb 2014 #51

Go ahead and be 'normal', TheMathieu, but don't be 'typical'. randome Feb 2014 #52

"We need all the atypical thinkers we can get." morningfog Feb 2014 #126

Strange, you don't answer the question. Th1onein Feb 2014 #123

You very much did answer the question for what it was worth. Cha Feb 2014 #286

Nah, he didn't. But you're so NICE to try to defend the indefensible. Th1onein Feb 2014 #328

Bravo to you, TheMathieu, for not buying into the twister bullshit. Cha Feb 2014 #330

This message was self-deleted by its author PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #4

Does Snowden's personal beliefs or history have any bearing on whether his claims are accurate? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #6

it goes to motivation and trustworthiness.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #75

You love that word "worship" doncha? Armstead Feb 2014 #87

I am not the one usually saying that word....but I like tossing it back in faces though! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #90

Unless he altered the documents before he released them NuclearDem Feb 2014 #93

and he now claims that Russia is the home of Human rights! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #96

Which is bullshit that he did. It's inexcusable. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #101

you mean the nothing.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #102

Right, the "nothing" we knew about already, was started under Bush... NuclearDem Feb 2014 #104

I don't remember Obama saying it was Snowden that spurred him...do you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #106

Anyone with a lick of sense knows nothing would happen if he did it during a Republican admin? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #7

No, it is about exposing a power hungry, renegade federal agency, bent on collecting information RC Feb 2014 #8

Snowden is an activist. Not for a second do I believe his current scheme is about Thinkingabout Feb 2014 #9

He was a teenager/early-20s kid during the Bush years. Raven Feb 2014 #10

the article isn't all about bush. Cha Feb 2014 #11

He joined the Army and then worked for the NSA in MD and then for the MADem Feb 2014 #199

the volume of bad snowden or greenwald ops is directly proportional to the damage from Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #12

Bingo. truebluegreen Feb 2014 #13

+1 Scuba Feb 2014 #22

Roger That cantbeserious Feb 2014 #26

plus 1 frwrfpos Feb 2014 #28

^^^THIS^^^ cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #31

This quakerboy Feb 2014 #36

Shhhhh polichick Feb 2014 #37

Yes. 840high Feb 2014 #65

Yep... WillyT Feb 2014 #71

+1 liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #146

This +1 AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #158

the pattern is obvious to all but those with pom poms bobduca Feb 2014 #393

Fuck Ron Paul lovin' Snowden and his "God complex".. all he's spewed from Russia is hate and lies Cha Feb 2014 #14

I'm still waiting for an explanation of how this invalidates anything reported from the leaks. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #17

Right...you wouldn't care if it were Rand Paul himself...yeah we get that.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #78

Oh, right. Because I'm an anarchist. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #97

Or something... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #99

You prefer being lied to instead of knowing the truth? Ok, good to know. I feel differently, though. Electric Monk Feb 2014 #100

You notice how angry they all are at Snowden? Th1onein Feb 2014 #127

We are not angry...we think he is nucking futz VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #151

Yeah AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #154

Anyone who opens his mouth and crazy stuff flies out....I usually consider pretty screwwy! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #162

So you don't ever look in the mirror do you? AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #166

Everyday....don't you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #171

:) AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #174

Is that the royal "We"? ljm2002 Feb 2014 #215

Speaking to what this poster directed at another group! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #250

Nice try... ljm2002 Feb 2014 #251

Exactement. ucrdem Feb 2014 #224

Libertarian asshole with a god-complex who's Putin's ratfucker now. Cha Feb 2014 #271

that too . . . ucrdem Feb 2014 #300

So now being opposed to dragnet surveillance is cynical Libertarianism? TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #19

Why do you hate the Fourth Amendment? OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #20

When the facts are against you, argue the law. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #21

So I should reject ideals, principles, and positions based upon who agrees with it? Savannahmann Feb 2014 #23

Excellent reply Oilwellian Feb 2014 #38

Great post. Broward Feb 2014 #69

Well around here...if you don't toe the line on EVERY issue you get tossed overboard...so... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #79

Awww. Marr Feb 2014 #109

I wasn't the one crying about it...I was just pointing out facts! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #115

Not really. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #112

As a rape survivor? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #117

That only made the statements you made even more appalling. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #119

Yeah sure....rapes survivors are always appalling right? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #131

I wonder if the Authoritarians realize just how stupid it is? Savannahmann Feb 2014 #242

Bingo! Prime Example of what I was talking about... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #249

TheTrueHeeHawIDIOT = Snowden. Whisp Feb 2014 #27

It doesn't really matter, what's important is he took this courageous action quinnox Feb 2014 #35

THIS is NOT courage...it may be alot of things...but courage it is not... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #80

Snowden is a yellow sob. Dawson Leery Feb 2014 #85

And he cannot comprehend why that is even a problem.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #91

Snowden is showing his right wing libertarianism. Dawson Leery Feb 2014 #113

Yeah!!!! AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #132

Right...sure... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #135

Huh AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #138

I haven't had charges filed against me as far as I know... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #147

I am not sure you would know AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #155

I'm pretty sure I would... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #160

Yeah AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #165

I'm confused Adam051188 Feb 2014 #39

oooh, you just insulted the sweet bebe jeebus... dionysus Feb 2014 #40

... Cha Feb 2014 #46

The message is good. The messenger, however, has zero credibility. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #41

This. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #44

Snowden has made this about himself.. him and his Cha Feb 2014 #48

You're so right, Cha . . . brush Feb 2014 #62

Pussy Riot went to jail. When they were freed, they still spoke up against Putin. randome Feb 2014 #64

They have so much courage.. It's laughable when Cha Feb 2014 #72

Pussy Riot has the courage that Comrade Snowden WISHES he had! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #82

A FREAKING Men Number23 Feb 2014 #95

It's not just Gay Equality, brush.. Cha Feb 2014 #70

The question of the century right here: Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #353

Libertarians Suck the Big Homophobic, Racist, and Women's Rights, republicon Cha Feb 2014 #355

Don't forget he is Comrade Snowden now! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #81

What's a poor hacker to do?.. Cha Feb 2014 #92

Yeah he loves him some Mother Russia! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #94

Oh dear lord ...read this, Cha. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #110

"Vatican Forces Storm Dome of the Rock, Pope names Snowden Messiah" Cha Feb 2014 #125

No, YOU have made it about Snowden. Constant harping on him. Th1onein Feb 2014 #129

Snowden made it about himself.. constantly coming out and harping about fucking bullshit. Cha Feb 2014 #130

Snowden made everyone pay attention, finally. Th1onein Feb 2014 #221

Snowden has a god/persecution complex and "everything out of his mouth is fucking nuts". Cha Feb 2014 #268

Sorry, Cha, the cat's already out of the bag. Th1onein Feb 2014 #318

Everything out of Snowden's mouth is fuckin' nuts. Cha Feb 2014 #366

You wanna talk about the spying . . . brush Feb 2014 #148

What you so conveniently forget is that we stand for those rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. Th1onein Feb 2014 #220

The Bill of Rights? brush Feb 2014 #247

He should only have told Americans that their rights were abridged? Th1onein Feb 2014 #316

So the US should not deploy covert operatives? brush Feb 2014 #344

Off to Ignore with you! Th1onein Feb 2014 #346

You don't get it. I don't care brush Feb 2014 #349

You're lucky.. Cha Feb 2014 #367

And, that is where Snowden's god complex comes into play. He's a hypocrite as he sits there in Cha Feb 2014 #326

Thank you for highlighting this Snowden creep's Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #43

Tsk. Tsk. Another kill the messenger message. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #45

If the creepy shoes fits..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #84

Was Obama sympathetic to the opposition (the NSA) before he became president? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #137

WTF does that even mean VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #144

Try again. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #153

Dear lord. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #149

Do you know that the NSA info gathering story came out first during the Bush years? brush Feb 2014 #159

Probably not AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #169

If so, why is the NSA still in operation under Obama? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #170

It's a two-part story brush Feb 2014 #189

The fact that we are illegally AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #191

Did you not understand that I said Snowden's reveal of domestic spying is a good thing brush Feb 2014 #193

Great AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #201

I'm not understanding brush Feb 2014 #204

I am unsure what you are trying to say. AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #297

Metadata collection isn't spying and it isn't illegal. ucrdem Feb 2014 #306

Sorry for the misunderstanding brush Feb 2014 #313

Thank you AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #321

Broadly, in the CIA/NSA street fight, Democrats prefer the NSA and Republicans the CIA Recursion Feb 2014 #183

Why do you care AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #141

He could be Hitler for all you care! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #145

LMAO AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #152

But since he is not... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #157

He is none of those things AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #161

But again...this surprise that he gets this kind of reaction on DU is really kind of weak sauce VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #168

I don't think he is a hero AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #173

then maybe its not directed at you... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #375

The CIA called him a thief when he worked in Europe, so long as we're in the Facts Business, here. MADem Feb 2014 #178

That has what bearing AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #179

It goes to motive. MADem Feb 2014 #188

And again, what does that have to do with what he released? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #195

As a response, I'll invite your attention to post 216. nt MADem Feb 2014 #217

I don't question his purity of heart AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #196

Well, you want to make this about what's "illegal" and I'm not sold. MADem Feb 2014 #216

He was also compared to Hitler Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #374

Maybe you'll get this brush Feb 2014 #175

Sorry AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #177

After a career in military intelligence Snowden's leaks are a revelation to you . . . brush Feb 2014 #185

1. Yes it has made me want to retire AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #190

Funny, that. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #256

As the technology gets better AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #287

OilemFirchen shoots and scores. ucrdem Feb 2014 #304

I have to agree. MADem Feb 2014 #343

There is something emotionally or even mentally wrong with the guy. randome Feb 2014 #47

But, every message from Snowden is Cha Feb 2014 #50

'Has his back'. randome Feb 2014 #54

Wow.. Cha Feb 2014 #57

Hey, thanks. It's just one of the tidbits of my past that makes me...interesting. randome Feb 2014 #59

Asperger syndrome isn't "something emotionally or mentally wrong". Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #60

'Ignorant' would be my guess. randome Feb 2014 #61

I have been saying Aspergers all along...but not emotionally or mentally wrong VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #88

I don't think you read what the poster wrote correctly. MADem Feb 2014 #218

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #232

You're really acquitting yourself well--not. MADem Feb 2014 #233

You're kind of a condescending twit. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #234

And you're rude and condescending yourself. MADem Feb 2014 #235

Oh, I see Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #236

You can goad and bait with strawman questions all day. MADem Feb 2014 #238

The only "deliberately obtuse" person I see here is you, actually. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #239

Are you getting the stimulation you apparently crave by MADem Feb 2014 #241

I'll point out that I'm only responding to you because you saw fit to call me out on something... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #243

I think its Aspergers....and that means that he doesn't really understand what is going on in VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #86

Give it a rest. You're only making yourself look petty. I'll leave it at that. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #274

Schizophrenia....I think that's the elephant in the room. Having watched msanthrope Feb 2014 #228

You're the fourth Bill Frist in this thread. Those law schools teach all sorts of things these days. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #253

He's a Ron Paul-bot. GoCubsGo Feb 2014 #298

It didn't really matter what party was in office. It is real simple. Rex Feb 2014 #53

He's out to wreck Obama's third term reddread Feb 2014 #56

No, if anything.. the ratfucker is out to wreck the Cha Feb 2014 #58

with Coulter's pubes between his teeth? reddread Feb 2014 #66

Oh do proceed with your perverted ann coulter obsession. Cha Feb 2014 #73

keep quoting corporate paycheck cashing libertarians with vicious, fascist bed partners reddread Feb 2014 #230

"Everything out of Snowden's Mouth is Fuckin' Nuts" Ed has a god-complex-he's Putin's Ratfucker Cha Feb 2014 #273

take a bite reddread Feb 2014 #278

Poor Snowden.. he's Putin's Ratfucker now.. :( Cha Feb 2014 #281

wanna buy some Coulter memorabilia? reddread Feb 2014 #282

Comrade Snowden is Happy As A Clam.. he only sings for Putin.. Cha Feb 2014 #291

23 recs reddread Feb 2014 #292

He never dated or had sex with her....he has said so publicly VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #89

Yeah, because only OUR side winning matters. It doesn't matter what they stand for. Th1onein Feb 2014 #223

Snowden is Putin's Ratfucker. Cha Feb 2014 #269

snowden is NOT a dissident. He is a foreign agent, like several GOP members of Congress underthematrix Feb 2014 #67

Yep. ucrdem Feb 2014 #226

Foreign? Not sure. Pretty sure Langley is pretty happy about what he did, though Recursion Feb 2014 #327

Oh, come on now! All the Skull and Bonesmen, oops, sorry, I meant Wiffenpoofs running Langley Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #340

THIS ISN'T FUCKING AMERICAN IDOL Armstead Feb 2014 #76

It's all American Idol, now. That's all they care about. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #98

The Snowden Christmas message was a nice touch, though. ProSense Feb 2014 #114

Speak of the devil. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #116

Blah! ProSense Feb 2014 #118

Don't you ever get tired rolling on the floor laughing all the time? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #121

No, I mean ProSense Feb 2014 #122

As usual you manage to trivialize the issue Armstead Feb 2014 #120

"He can strip down buck naked and moon the camera for all I care. " ProSense Feb 2014 #124

You bring out my self-righeteousness with your condescending crap Armstead Feb 2014 #237

Please ProSense Feb 2014 #240

I should amend to... Armstead Feb 2014 #245

another righteous rant. It's sad to see so many defend bad policy just because we have a liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #156

Public Relations Cos Play bobduca Feb 2014 #394

Because we all thought this administration would walk the NSA insanity back, Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #83

Drake was initially pursued by the Bush Administration. randome Feb 2014 #107

But didn't we Madam Mossfern Feb 2014 #105

Kick for ProSense Feb 2014 #111

But, Eddie(can I call him Eddie?).. is in the Free World NOW! Cha Feb 2014 #128

Well AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #136

There's a dicotomy to the Snowden story that seems to escape some people brush Feb 2014 #181

I agree 100%!!!! n/t DebJ Feb 2014 #203

Hey Mahalo brush for explaining the dicotomy of the Snowden saga. Cha Feb 2014 #270

It is amazing AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #133

Yeah, so much for the Constitution. Broward Feb 2014 #244

You aren't suppose to be asking those kinds of questions davidpdx Feb 2014 #140

LMAO AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #143

Better question. Why did what's going on in the NSA go on under a Democratic regime? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #164

"Regime"? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #259

Regime. Those in power. Government. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #260

Modern usage OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #261

Seems apt to me, considering what the NSA does at the behest of the regime. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #272

And the circle is complete. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #280

Rephrased for those with frail sensibilities: Orsino Feb 2014 #389

On that note: why not a word about the CIA, which Snowden was actually an agent for? Recursion Feb 2014 #182

I get so tired of these bullcrap accusations. Th1onein Feb 2014 #225

Yup. I see Snowden's CIA work has gone straight down the memory hole Recursion Feb 2014 #231

Why don't you supply a link to underpin your accusations? Th1onein Feb 2014 #317

What "accusation"? It was in the Guardian's profile of him. Recursion Feb 2014 #322

He was hardly a spook in the correct sense of the word. Th1onein Feb 2014 #325

Yes, a CIA direct-hire with diplomatic cover is precisely what a "spook" is Recursion Feb 2014 #329

STOP LYING. It does your argument no good. Th1onein Feb 2014 #333

That is exactly being a spy for the CIA. You should really learn a little more about this Recursion Feb 2014 #341

Spies are often responsible for the heating and air conditioning systems. Righhhhht! Th1onein Feb 2014 #347

Snowden wasn't responsible for HVAC, but I don't think you understand "diplomatic cover" Recursion Feb 2014 #348

Why don't you just admit that you're wrong? Th1onein Feb 2014 #363

LOL! Recursion Feb 2014 #369

And when you can't admit you're wrong, what do you do? Th1onein Feb 2014 #372

It's getting *ridiculous*. Marr Feb 2014 #361

I think we've heard it all now. Th1onein Feb 2014 #364

Um..he actually did work for the CIA. Really. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #314

Actually, it doesn't matter. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #187

So Snowden is a hypocrite for holding different opinions when Bush and Obama did things? JoeyT Feb 2014 #192

+1, excellent point. Marr Feb 2014 #276

MOOT MOOT! Sounds like a horn, doesn't it? Fog horn? Train horn? SEE POST #5. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #207

As for post #5 . . . brush Feb 2014 #212

Interesting stuff about Snowden. Looks like I would not care for him at all as a person. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #210

The title of your OP is your answer. nT arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #219

Snowball's leaks are calculated to inflict maximum damage to PBO. ucrdem Feb 2014 #227

My Mileage Varies A Lot.... sendero Feb 2014 #229

Because during the Bush* Admin, he would just have been a Terrorist? quaker bill Feb 2014 #246

i am pretty sure OBama promised us all a more transparent government La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #252

I have been thinking a lot about that too. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #254

I suppose a counter-question might be ... BlueCheese Feb 2014 #263

FDR? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #265

It was also his authorization that led to the Japanese American internments. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #284

"If a Republican had done that, Democrats would have been pissed off about it." OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #285

That is a good question too. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #279

He wasn't hired by Booz Allen until 2009 so he had no access riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #283

Screwy bio and hard to believe in any recension. ucrdem Feb 2014 #302

I don't think anyone's screwed up his bio. Do you have links to that accusation? nt riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #310

Um, you just responded to it. nt ucrdem Feb 2014 #311

You're the who said his bio is screwed up. Give me a link to that nt riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #332

"5 ways NSA leaker Edward Snowden's story isn't holding up" ucrdem Feb 2014 #335

I still can't wrap my head around the Geneva posting Recursion Feb 2014 #352

He said his time as a CIA agent in Geneva changed his mind Recursion Feb 2014 #323

Interesting theory. My take on it: ucrdem Feb 2014 #339

Boom! "The payoff of the Snowden affair for Putin and the Russians.." Cha Feb 2014 #362

Because snowden's a libertarian asshole in the same vein as ron paul and sonny rand. Cha Feb 2014 #368

Granted the fundamental idea of privacy is important. nilesobek Feb 2014 #370

This is a shoddy OP on your part Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #371

These guys don't care. Th1onein Feb 2014 #373

pfft.... mike_c Feb 2014 #376

The better question would be... Oilwellian Feb 2014 #381

Better question, why are these crimes committed against the people of the US nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #388