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merrily

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56. When left with no other reasonable alternative.

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:52 AM

Feb 2014

We actually interfered with the transit of the head of state of another nation, in violation of international law that dates back to biblical times, to make sure Snowden did not escape.

Before you say he should have come home to be screwed, Ellsberg, once a hero of the Democrats--when we were still capable of criticizing a Democratic Administration. , says otherwise. I'm thinking Ellsberg, of all people, would know.

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In Case You Missed This Little Nugget From Edward Snowden This Week... [View all] WillyT Feb 2014 OP

Well, if they have nothing wrong they have nothing to worry about. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #1

Spot on Sabrina suffragette Feb 2014 #2

They've been saying it for at least 50 years. malthaussen Feb 2014 #4

I may be wrong but back then I can't remember anyone on DU defending the practice. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2014 #10

Sock Puppets billhicks76 Feb 2014 #76

+1000 JDPriestly Feb 2014 #13

Depends completely on your definition of "wrong." I don't think it was "wrong" that pnwmom Feb 2014 #21

I am going to cautiously say that I think I agree with you. But let's keep it between us. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #24

Ahh... The Good Old Days... Not What THESE Guys Fought And Died For Though... WillyT Feb 2014 #31

Wrong is the massive spying on the American people. It was when Bush did it, it was sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #34

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #38

Read my post again. I agreed with you that US internal surveillance is wrong. But I don't think pnwmom Feb 2014 #39

I did read it. I believe the point was wholesale abuse of the technology sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #40

You don't think Russia and China would listen in on the President's cell if they could? Get real. n/ pnwmom Feb 2014 #44

Of course they do and of course he knows it, just as they know America listens in on them. merrily Feb 2014 #51

I absolutely do! delrem Feb 2014 #57

If they are spying on us, we would be incredibly naive not to reciprocate. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #60

*cough cough* delrem Feb 2014 #63

Who are you trying to kid, pretending that leaking information about international spying, pnwmom Feb 2014 #65

But I didn't represent your statements at all. delrem Feb 2014 #75

It doesn't matter what I think, the fact that the technology is available to so is the problem, not sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #79

I doubt Angela was surprised. Germans were in an uproar; and she wanted to show merrily Feb 2014 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Feb 2014 #42

They already knew they were being spied on by us. So did terrorists. merrily Feb 2014 #45

There's a vast difference between knowing it in theory, and knowing it in its DETAILS. pnwmom Feb 2014 #46

They did not know only in theory, so there goes that argument. merrily Feb 2014 #48

And I am glad that spying helped reduce casualties by informing Pearl Harbor MyNameGoesHere Feb 2014 #78

Then you must be as shocked as I was to see Obama say he would reduce foreign spying!!!! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #86

There we go. +1. closeupready Feb 2014 #41

The peope who refused to ratify the Constitution unless merrily Feb 2014 #47

What? Democrats might lose the presidency?? hueymahl Feb 2014 #87

"It's secret because we say so." nt bemildred Feb 2014 #3

"We can't say if it's secret. That's secret." n/t malthaussen Feb 2014 #5

Even better. And I give you the words of Sir Edward Coke: bemildred Feb 2014 #6

I know Sir Edward well. malthaussen Feb 2014 #8

I'm not a lawyer, but I do read pretty well. bemildred Feb 2014 #9

It's pretty inevitable, though. malthaussen Feb 2014 #11

Excellent post. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #15

Or to prevent the child being like the parent --- erronis Feb 2014 #23

Indeed. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #20

To repeat, excellent post. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #25

And they have already dismantled the Constitution. merrily Feb 2014 #52

bemildred, that quote is a treasure! n/t truedelphi Feb 2014 #17

It is free, I don't even remember which book I stole it from. bemildred Feb 2014 #19

I can't believe this narcissist continues to point out how the emperor is wearing no clothes riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #7

Lol, that was funny, re the lawyers. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #35

Figured you'd know exactly what I meant. Your previous exchange @ that was epic nt riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #73

The American Civil Liberties Union is obviously not American. merrily Feb 2014 #49

If the NSA and the rest of the security state sulphurdunn Feb 2014 #12

+ 10,000. n/t truedelphi Feb 2014 #18

Poor WillyT, you just don't understand. zeemike Feb 2014 #14

I Know... I Feel So Mislead... WillyT Feb 2014 #29

knr Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #16

Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Feb 2014 #22

DURec for the Whistle Blowers! bvar22 Feb 2014 #26

+100 840high Feb 2014 #27

+101 nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #30

David Sanger is the NYT's go-to neocon fixer. ucrdem Feb 2014 #28

So what do you think of Bush's massive spying on the American people program sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #36

Private contractors like Snowball? Words cannot express my contempt. nt ucrdem Feb 2014 #74

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2014 #32

it's hysterical that Snowden is in NYtoBush-Drop Dead Feb 2014 #33

Why did the US Government force Snowden to be in Russia? I have asked this sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #37

"forced" I love that..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #55

When left with no other reasonable alternative. merrily Feb 2014 #56

Paranoid hallucinations are a poor substitute for fact-based analysis struggle4progress Feb 2014 #58

Um, it was in all the papers at the time. Really. merrily Feb 2014 #59

Unless you read a lot of news accounts, pick out the statements closest to verifiable facts, struggle4progress Feb 2014 #64

Here's an exercise for you: who was most concerned that Snowden not get out of the reach of the US? merrily Feb 2014 #66

I suggested to you a way of reading the news, that has become more easily available struggle4progress Feb 2014 #68

You don't mind if I stop replying to posts that are nothing but condescension, do you? merrily Feb 2014 #69

Well, then, let us by all means test your version of events against the facts. The way to start struggle4progress Feb 2014 #71

Test this. merrily Feb 2014 #72

Res ipsa loquitur struggle4progress Feb 2014 #77

BTW, thanks for the strong implication that my post was merrily Feb 2014 #62

I am quite aware that you did not invent the story but merely repeated it from other sources struggle4progress Feb 2014 #70

The US Government made it impossible for Snowden to continue his journey and forced him to remain sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #83

Only if you think he should be above the law treestar Feb 2014 #81

He CHOSE to go to Russia! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #82

The US Government is responsible for stopping him from leaving Russia, a stopover airport on his way sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #84

No, it's not. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #43

Now we know that being spied on in the US is a really wonderful thing-- eridani Feb 2014 #53

Unlike us? LOL! merrily Feb 2014 #54

Can Eddie point out any officials who traveled to a foreign country, (say) China, and provided struggle4progress Feb 2014 #61

Double standards are the new normal. Shame on Snowden for pointing out merrily Feb 2014 #67

Fuck Ron Paul Whisp Feb 2014 #80

K&R woo me with science Feb 2014 #85

Yet we are supposed to TRUST the NSA? Pholus Feb 2014 #88