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struggle4progress

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58. Paranoid hallucinations are a poor substitute for fact-based analysis

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:38 AM

Feb 2014

I know many posters appear to believe "... We .. interfered with the transit of the head of state .. to make sure Snowden did not escape ..." -- butevidence for the claim is essentially non-existent: it's really just a conspiracy theory

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In Case You Missed This Little Nugget From Edward Snowden This Week... [View all] WillyT Feb 2014 OP

Well, if they have nothing wrong they have nothing to worry about. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #1

Spot on Sabrina suffragette Feb 2014 #2

They've been saying it for at least 50 years. malthaussen Feb 2014 #4

I may be wrong but back then I can't remember anyone on DU defending the practice. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2014 #10

Sock Puppets billhicks76 Feb 2014 #76

+1000 JDPriestly Feb 2014 #13

Depends completely on your definition of "wrong." I don't think it was "wrong" that pnwmom Feb 2014 #21

I am going to cautiously say that I think I agree with you. But let's keep it between us. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #24

Ahh... The Good Old Days... Not What THESE Guys Fought And Died For Though... WillyT Feb 2014 #31

Wrong is the massive spying on the American people. It was when Bush did it, it was sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #34

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #38

Read my post again. I agreed with you that US internal surveillance is wrong. But I don't think pnwmom Feb 2014 #39

I did read it. I believe the point was wholesale abuse of the technology sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #40

You don't think Russia and China would listen in on the President's cell if they could? Get real. n/ pnwmom Feb 2014 #44

Of course they do and of course he knows it, just as they know America listens in on them. merrily Feb 2014 #51

I absolutely do! delrem Feb 2014 #57

If they are spying on us, we would be incredibly naive not to reciprocate. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #60

*cough cough* delrem Feb 2014 #63

Who are you trying to kid, pretending that leaking information about international spying, pnwmom Feb 2014 #65

But I didn't represent your statements at all. delrem Feb 2014 #75

It doesn't matter what I think, the fact that the technology is available to so is the problem, not sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #79

I doubt Angela was surprised. Germans were in an uproar; and she wanted to show merrily Feb 2014 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Feb 2014 #42

They already knew they were being spied on by us. So did terrorists. merrily Feb 2014 #45

There's a vast difference between knowing it in theory, and knowing it in its DETAILS. pnwmom Feb 2014 #46

They did not know only in theory, so there goes that argument. merrily Feb 2014 #48

And I am glad that spying helped reduce casualties by informing Pearl Harbor MyNameGoesHere Feb 2014 #78

Then you must be as shocked as I was to see Obama say he would reduce foreign spying!!!! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #86

There we go. +1. closeupready Feb 2014 #41

The peope who refused to ratify the Constitution unless merrily Feb 2014 #47

What? Democrats might lose the presidency?? hueymahl Feb 2014 #87

"It's secret because we say so." nt bemildred Feb 2014 #3

"We can't say if it's secret. That's secret." n/t malthaussen Feb 2014 #5

Even better. And I give you the words of Sir Edward Coke: bemildred Feb 2014 #6

I know Sir Edward well. malthaussen Feb 2014 #8

I'm not a lawyer, but I do read pretty well. bemildred Feb 2014 #9

It's pretty inevitable, though. malthaussen Feb 2014 #11

Excellent post. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #15

Or to prevent the child being like the parent --- erronis Feb 2014 #23

Indeed. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #20

To repeat, excellent post. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #25

And they have already dismantled the Constitution. merrily Feb 2014 #52

bemildred, that quote is a treasure! n/t truedelphi Feb 2014 #17

It is free, I don't even remember which book I stole it from. bemildred Feb 2014 #19

I can't believe this narcissist continues to point out how the emperor is wearing no clothes riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #7

Lol, that was funny, re the lawyers. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #35

Figured you'd know exactly what I meant. Your previous exchange @ that was epic nt riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #73

The American Civil Liberties Union is obviously not American. merrily Feb 2014 #49

If the NSA and the rest of the security state sulphurdunn Feb 2014 #12

+ 10,000. n/t truedelphi Feb 2014 #18

Poor WillyT, you just don't understand. zeemike Feb 2014 #14

I Know... I Feel So Mislead... WillyT Feb 2014 #29

knr Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #16

Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Feb 2014 #22

DURec for the Whistle Blowers! bvar22 Feb 2014 #26

+100 840high Feb 2014 #27

+101 nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #30

David Sanger is the NYT's go-to neocon fixer. ucrdem Feb 2014 #28

So what do you think of Bush's massive spying on the American people program sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #36

Private contractors like Snowball? Words cannot express my contempt. nt ucrdem Feb 2014 #74

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2014 #32

it's hysterical that Snowden is in NYtoBush-Drop Dead Feb 2014 #33

Why did the US Government force Snowden to be in Russia? I have asked this sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #37

"forced" I love that..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #55

When left with no other reasonable alternative. merrily Feb 2014 #56

Paranoid hallucinations are a poor substitute for fact-based analysis struggle4progress Feb 2014 #58

Um, it was in all the papers at the time. Really. merrily Feb 2014 #59

Unless you read a lot of news accounts, pick out the statements closest to verifiable facts, struggle4progress Feb 2014 #64

Here's an exercise for you: who was most concerned that Snowden not get out of the reach of the US? merrily Feb 2014 #66

I suggested to you a way of reading the news, that has become more easily available struggle4progress Feb 2014 #68

You don't mind if I stop replying to posts that are nothing but condescension, do you? merrily Feb 2014 #69

Well, then, let us by all means test your version of events against the facts. The way to start struggle4progress Feb 2014 #71

Test this. merrily Feb 2014 #72

Res ipsa loquitur struggle4progress Feb 2014 #77

BTW, thanks for the strong implication that my post was merrily Feb 2014 #62

I am quite aware that you did not invent the story but merely repeated it from other sources struggle4progress Feb 2014 #70

The US Government made it impossible for Snowden to continue his journey and forced him to remain sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #83

Only if you think he should be above the law treestar Feb 2014 #81

He CHOSE to go to Russia! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #82

The US Government is responsible for stopping him from leaving Russia, a stopover airport on his way sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #84

No, it's not. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #43

Now we know that being spied on in the US is a really wonderful thing-- eridani Feb 2014 #53

Unlike us? LOL! merrily Feb 2014 #54

Can Eddie point out any officials who traveled to a foreign country, (say) China, and provided struggle4progress Feb 2014 #61

Double standards are the new normal. Shame on Snowden for pointing out merrily Feb 2014 #67

Fuck Ron Paul Whisp Feb 2014 #80

K&R woo me with science Feb 2014 #85

Yet we are supposed to TRUST the NSA? Pholus Feb 2014 #88