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randome

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54. Will you admit that some have a different opinion of what has been 'revealed'?

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 09:27 AM

Feb 2014

The metadata collection has been known since 2007. The 'revelation' that we spy on other countries has been known since forever.

Anyone who holds the opinion that these are not revelations surely starts to wonder why Greenwald seems to want to make these an issue. It's only human nature to speculate.

If Greenwald was 'only' a journalist, he would not be making dire pronouncements every week or so. He would simply print the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

But for those who want to see him as the 'face' of the 1st Amendment, the hyperbole is overdone. Those posters are helping to make this about personality. It works both ways.
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EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE of a discussion instigated regarding Greenwald's character [View all] sibelian Feb 2014 OP

+1,000 n/t malaise Feb 2014 #1

Another +1000 nt truebluegreen Feb 2014 #2

+ another thousand Scuba Feb 2014 #3

Yet another +1000 NuclearDem Feb 2014 #4

+ 10,000 cantbeserious Feb 2014 #5

+ Graham's Number dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #98

Damn right. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #6

I agree it is of no consequence . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #7

Yep. n/t demmiblue Feb 2014 #8

K&R for accuracy. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #9

K&R for continued exposure. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #10

Amen fasttense Feb 2014 #11

Completely Agree!!!! n/t needed!! TxGrandpa Feb 2014 #12

This is not libertarian underground stonecutter357 Feb 2014 #13

Libertarians only hate it when a D is in office AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #104

What does that mean? Republican Whistle Blowers exposed Bush's crimes during his administration. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #172

NEW !!!! By Jeremy Scahill and Glenn Greenwald Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #14

A couple of Crap Bloggers cheered by a vocal contingent on DU... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #137

My feeling about that spat as compared to the bigger picture Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #182

It's one helluva funny tempest in a teapot. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #188

It's McCarthyite bullshit and very often couched in homophbia. It has gone on for Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #15

homophobia like in Russia? nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #94

You realize that there are degrees of homophobia and other discrimination? hueymahl Feb 2014 #111

russia the first to stand for freedom is blatantly homophobic? nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #112

I hadn't paid any attention until I read the title of this thread. eShirl Feb 2014 #16

Examining multiple examples of Greenwald's style of argument and his history convinced me struggle4progress Feb 2014 #17

Beside the point and can be said of almost anyone we disagree with: JDPriestly Feb 2014 #25

Where you see "bold and honest," I see "steaming heaps" struggle4progress Feb 2014 #31

That's fine as long as you refute the reporting on the NSA rather than attack his character. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #113

Yeah, Greenwald is a liar and no amount of insulting other members of this Cha Feb 2014 #28

Abso-friggin-lutely. +10,000 nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #88

Deflection AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #105

Where are the insults to Du members in the OP? And case closed is about attacking the messenger, cui bono Feb 2014 #115

"A small cohort of losers are smarting over their loss." could be interpreted as such dionysus Feb 2014 #157

If "loser" is name calling. I think it's meant as loser of an argument. cui bono Feb 2014 #173

I believe those obsessed with constant hateful attacks on Greenwald, do rhett o rick Feb 2014 #126

Commitment isn't the problem obxhead Feb 2014 #149

They dont discuss issues but only disrupt. Why they are allowed to stay is beyond me. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #150

Amen. +10,000 nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #87

and unlike greenwald, they won't be making a living doing it. checkbook journalism 101 dionysus Feb 2014 #156

But that's all they have. They cannot argue substance and they cannot argue law. bemildred Feb 2014 #18

du rec. xchrom Feb 2014 #19

Obama administration starts to implement changes to NSA phone records program ProSense Feb 2014 #20

Pathetically little; pathetically late. And not all that convincing. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #22

I know. He should resign. Why bother? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #23

And everybody should vote third-party, because it's so much easier than making a serious struggle4progress Feb 2014 #29

And to those that disparage whistle-blowers and Occupy this should make you happy. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #147

No he should shut that motherfucker down. All of it. For good. bemildred Feb 2014 #30

"Motherfucker"...impressive. ProSense Feb 2014 #32

I know he can't just shut her down. And you know he won't resign. Right? bemildred Feb 2014 #39

You won't get the NSA shut down -- and you won't get much of the public behind you struggle4progress Feb 2014 #37

Yes, Totally impossible, Ridiculous really. Fatuous. I suggest you stop worrying about it. bemildred Feb 2014 #41

That style won't work either. It may make you feel witty and morally superior, but struggle4progress Feb 2014 #43

I'm not trying to accomplish anything, I'm just amusing myself. bemildred Feb 2014 #45

"I'm not trying to accomplish anything" seems sadly cynical struggle4progress Feb 2014 #48

I am very cynical. Who exactly am I supposed to "believe" in? bemildred Feb 2014 #50

Good grief, bemildred. Why would I give a fugg who or what you "believed in"? struggle4progress Feb 2014 #56

I dunno. Maybe you are just amusing yourself too. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #58

I'll tell ya, every time I actually do something, I learn something struggle4progress Feb 2014 #61

Right, so why waste time on an old cynic like me? nt bemildred Feb 2014 #63

I apologize for bothering you struggle4progress Feb 2014 #66

Accepted. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #71

If you spend just half the time you spend pissing and moaning on this website... ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #108

Thanks for the pep talk. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #110

+1 Rex Feb 2014 #99

sometimes people forget that DU is for the most part, self entertainment... dionysus Feb 2014 #158

Yes, taking all this much too seriously. bemildred Feb 2014 #185

No. He shouldn't resign. He should do his job and not be intimidated by the big brass in the NSA. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #36

Why? So you could repeat that it's "pathetically little; pathetically late"? ProSense Feb 2014 #38

another BRILLIANT reduction to absurdity TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #53

Right.. "it's too fucking late to do anything about it.. we're all doomed.. we're Cha Feb 2014 #62

good example of the problem questionseverything Feb 2014 #109

oh of course! treestar Feb 2014 #80

So you are giving Pres Obama credit for starting to fix what he and you said wasnt broken. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #130

I don't have to pander to you like the President may think he should treestar Feb 2014 #187

There have been a number of whistle-blowers that have tried to use the rhett o rick Feb 2014 #189

Yeah, knew they'd be popping up with their Cha Feb 2014 #24

Nor does it matter what kind of person Snowden is or why he went to China. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #21

If you're supporting Snowden despite him handing the Chinese government struggle4progress Feb 2014 #26

Anyone who supports the excessive surveillance of the NSA is unlikely to vote for Democrats JDPriestly Feb 2014 #33

You've got to stop thinking in terms of slogans and start thinking in terms struggle4progress Feb 2014 #42

What do you mean? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #51

It's too abstract: you need a list of specific policy reforms struggle4progress Feb 2014 #68

Could you please list a few of the policy reforms you are talking about? Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #70

You haven't seen any evidence that the NSA is doing this to American citizens, either. randome Feb 2014 #72

They definitely collect our metadata -- a lot of it. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #73

"As for tracing cell phones by GPS, I'm less sure" - don't be BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #118

I saw no slogans in JD Priestly's comment. That tactic is so old but DUers, as this thread sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #174

Nicely put LiberalLovinLug Feb 2014 #134

Supposition With No Corroborating Facts cantbeserious Feb 2014 #35

You should look up the S China Morning Post article and review its effect on the Obama-Xi summit struggle4progress Feb 2014 #40

And How Would We Know If That Article Was Planted Propaganda cantbeserious Feb 2014 #55

Could be, if it was an isolated incident -- but over and over again Snowden and pals struggle4progress Feb 2014 #59

Have No Insight Into The Vague References cantbeserious Feb 2014 #60

There was a whole string of them. Consider for example the G8 struggle4progress Feb 2014 #65

Yes - We Learned That The US Spied On World Leaders cantbeserious Feb 2014 #93

What is worse? What Snowden exposed, or what the NSA is doing? RC Feb 2014 #44

Defending Snowden won't produce NSA changes: it drives the debate in the wrong direction struggle4progress Feb 2014 #46

Without Snowden We Would Be Clueless cantbeserious Feb 2014 #57

I think that means you weren't paying attention struggle4progress Feb 2014 #67

Not at all hootinholler Feb 2014 #76

look at the upper right panel of this cartoon from 2006. a lot of us knew a long ass time ago. dionysus Feb 2014 #159

People are not going to get off the fence if they don't know whats happening Armstead Feb 2014 #49

And if you feed them bullshizz, instead of good information, they'll start running away struggle4progress Feb 2014 #52

Actually a majority of the American people are on her side. It is your position that appears sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #168

Thank you for your insight Progressive dog Feb 2014 #27

New NSA/drone/metadata information: Hissyspit Feb 2014 #34

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #47

Will you admit that some have a different opinion of what has been 'revealed'? randome Feb 2014 #54

It's the cult of Greenwald. Whatever he says Cha Feb 2014 #64

The book may be the only way he can pay his delinquent taxes! randome Feb 2014 #69

ROFL +1000 Shhh, we're not allowed to say anything bad, no matter how true it is. Of course, okaawhatever Feb 2014 #89

People need to stop replying to these losers. DesMoinesDem Feb 2014 #74

Agreed. Don't take the bait when you see an OP filled with personal attacks and logical fallacies. pa28 Feb 2014 #124

yup Skittles Feb 2014 #169

K/R - Case closed. 840high Feb 2014 #75

Exactly. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #77

+1000 bobduca Feb 2014 #183

OH BULL!! If Greenwald had a clue what real journalism is he would understand that it is his Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #78

LMAO L0oniX Feb 2014 #121

Kick Agony Feb 2014 #123

Absolutely! LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #184

Greenwald is a blogger. idendoit Feb 2014 #192

IT is Glenn who tries to make it about himself treestar Feb 2014 #79

Shhhh, we're not suppose to notice that. the cult of GG and Snowdem Cha Feb 2014 #81

K&R woo me with science Feb 2014 #82

OMG! Thank you, sibelian, for saying this. Even for the 87th time. Th1onein Feb 2014 #83

WRONG. Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #84

lmao iamthebandfanman Feb 2014 #85

Two-and-a-half hours before two of them came in to make your point. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #86

they certainly are not on the ball tonight Skittles Feb 2014 #151

they will flock tomorrow to the article bobduca Feb 2014 #161

I saw a post by one the other day Skittles Feb 2014 #163

reminded of this bobduca Feb 2014 #167

yes, keep thinking that people who disagree with you are paid govt agents. dionysus Feb 2014 #170

Ad hominem attacks are a known fallacy. Typical smear tactics. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #90

Not true at all. Clearly many disagree with you Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #91

Mine haven't been, which is why no one wants to discuss them Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #92

Temper Tantrum alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #95

You don't expect to get a discussion going about temper tantrums do ya? L0oniX Feb 2014 #122

Spewing hatred in post after post isnt having "another position." rhett o rick Feb 2014 #128

+ a gazillion L0oniX Feb 2014 #96

Idunno. I hear he's a nice guy. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #97

No need to worry about case closed dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #100

K&R for pissing off all the right people! Rex Feb 2014 #101

I've seen far more character fluffing for Greenwald on the Internet than character assassination. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #102

Why would someone need faith? This isn't church and these players aren't gods or saints. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #144

PURE Doublespeak bobduca Feb 2014 #148

Superb! LittleBlue Feb 2014 #103

It happens frequently here on DU. It seems the ad hominem attacks pop Cleita Feb 2014 #106

I've been using Full Ignore on what I believe are paid operatives that attack GG or ES davidlynch Feb 2014 #107

But you miss all the corporate overlord talking points that way. NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #139

K&R.... daleanime Feb 2014 #114

yep. If OBL were still alive, and declared the sky blue stupidicus Feb 2014 #116

Important to call out and label the DISHONEST rhetoric bobduca Feb 2014 #162

you know it stupidicus Feb 2014 #190

indeed bobduca Feb 2014 #195

Thank you! 20score Feb 2014 #117

I remain amazed ... and am thus somewhat ambivalent The Traveler Feb 2014 #119

+1000 G_j Feb 2014 #132

Glad to see this post with 165 recs. pa28 Feb 2014 #120

Thank you, thank you! It's a disinformation tactic, and there's a certain contingent here truth2power Feb 2014 #125

You are clueless! idendoit Feb 2014 #127

And the influx continues.... woo me with science Feb 2014 #135

Okay, I'll woo you. idendoit Feb 2014 #143

plonk bobduca Feb 2014 #181

+1000 debunkthis Feb 2014 #129

Those you refer to have nothing left to post but hatred. They have nothing to say about rhett o rick Feb 2014 #131

Speaking of principles. idendoit Feb 2014 #133

"Isn't Greenwald sitting on the very same secrets that the NSA is/was?" We really dont rhett o rick Feb 2014 #136

Didn't you get the Truman memo? idendoit Feb 2014 #138

Are you pulling my leg? Trust Congress? LOL. Good grief Charlie Brown. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #140

I would never say trust Congress. Al said it. idendoit Feb 2014 #141

put the Tiger Beat crowd on ignore Skittles Feb 2014 #142

Oh, BullSh!t! First of all jazzimov Feb 2014 #145

Ideas can be valid no matter where they originate. Beartracks Feb 2014 #146

at least those threads provide jobs for the people who post them yurbud Feb 2014 #152

Just look at the number of recs (I'm 201) at this point… If it was all about "character"... MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #153

His actions have revealed nothing ground breaking and will not result in reforms. joshcryer Feb 2014 #154

actually, there's more than a "small cohort" of people who can recognize that Greenwald is a dionysus Feb 2014 #155

It is too bad that you missed the OP's point. Oh well. n/t xocet Feb 2014 #164

The OP was addressing the whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #165

looked in a mirror lately? nt dionysus Feb 2014 #171

Haha whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #175

Oh yes, the OP was just kind hearted discourse. joshcryer Feb 2014 #177

Wait, we can dislike GG AND the NSA? joshcryer Feb 2014 #176

Thank you, this needs to be repeated as often as the smears appear on this Democratic forum. And sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #160

It'll never stop. Pavlovian Propaganda is all the scoundrels have. n/t whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #166

The character of the journalist is always relevant to the credibility of their reporting. Chan790 Feb 2014 #178

The credibility of Greenwald's critics has been absent for me since that 'I found out Greenwald Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #186

Thank you. I'm sure I repeat others, but snot Feb 2014 #179

DU'er's, STOP WASTING TIME reading or responding to ad hominem (kill the messenger) attacks. snot Feb 2014 #180

Pffft, nice tantrum. great white snark Feb 2014 #191

Neocons in Democratic Clothing. Octafish Feb 2014 #193

kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #194

K&R friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #196