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Jeff In Milwaukee

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322. Not at all...

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:36 PM

Feb 2014

It's never been proven that Sinatra is the father (but hell, look at the kid's eyes and then look at a picture of Sinatra), so I don't think that was the case.

Here's what I think:

Mia had just been massively and publicly humiliated by the break-up. I mean, getting dumped for a younger woman is bad enough, but when the younger woman is your adopted child....I mean, shit. I absolutely don't blame her for hating Woody's guts, then and now. Mia was losing not only her relationship with Woody, but also her relationship with Soon-Yi, and all this was being served up in the tabloid press in the most mortifying manner imaginable.

I think Mia was pissed and she was bitter and I think she coached Dylan into making a false statement, one that over the years, the kid has grown to believe was really true.

Sound far-fetched? The American Bar Association did some research a few years back, and they found that allegations of parental child abuse occur in 4% of divorces. But in cases where both sides are contesting custody, the figure triples to 12%. And we don't know how many threats of such an allegation were made outside the courtroom in order to get one parent or the other to back off demands for custody.

The reason should be obvious: an allegation of child molestation (particularly for a high-profile individual) is the family court version of nuclear warfare. When one party of the other is feeling sufficiently desperate -- or just plain furious -- they'll drop the bomb as a last resort.

That's what I think happened here. Mia was furious with Woody and determined that he would never be able to come near her family again. An accusation of child molestation would serve both purposes.

A child's report of abuse should always (and I mean always) be taken seriously. It should be fully investigated, even if it causes some embarrassment to the individual who is accused. That's what happened here. Given that the medical team did not find any evidence of molestation, and the six month police investigation amounted to nothing, and that there has never been any allegation, before or since, of Woody's molesting a child, I just find it had to take one (possibly tainted) allegation as proof of anything.

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Woody Allen Speaks Out [View all] B2G Feb 2014 OP

Woody, this says it all: Botany Feb 2014 #1

"a young lady who had been in the role as your daughter" Major Nikon Feb 2014 #4

She was in her teens and was the daughter of the woman Woody was in a relationship w/. Botany Feb 2014 #7

She was 20 and was a sophomore in college Major Nikon Feb 2014 #20

holy frank sinatra shit d_b Feb 2014 #66

I know!!!! FarPoint Feb 2014 #246

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Feb 2014 #274

Mia Farrow is not accused of committing a major sexual assault against a child. CTyankee Feb 2014 #309

Obviously Major Nikon Feb 2014 #312

Isn't the title of this post descriptive of the charge of child molestation? CTyankee Feb 2014 #319

Whoever quotes Wikipedia first, loses the argument. Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #21

She was never just a girlfriend, she is his babies' mother. reusrename Feb 2014 #84

Wrong. Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #121

over a decade together. oldest at 9 or 10 when it all starts. vacations to europe as a family unit seabeyond Feb 2014 #125

They certainly were a family unit Crunchy Frog Feb 2014 #213

They were not doing that.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #287

Right, she met him at a frat party in college and they started dating... CTyankee Feb 2014 #310

Nothing about their relationship was normal Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #311

So do you think Woody took up with Soon Yi because Mia was pregnant, not by him, CTyankee Feb 2014 #317

Not at all... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #322

But surely you have read the problems with that report, what the judge did that would lead one to CTyankee Feb 2014 #328

Let's unpack this... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #330

unpack further CTyankee Feb 2014 #331

We're getting nowhere... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #332

Again, there has been pushback against all of this and there are competing lines of thought... CTyankee Feb 2014 #333

It is of interest in our household that this whole truedelphi Feb 2014 #252

who do you think that is? CTyankee Feb 2014 #320

They were not married, but they Crunchy Frog Feb 2014 #169

They were a family unit insofar as WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #247

I suspect it happens a lot more than we know, as well WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #244

Seriously, has she never heard of cameras? seaglass Feb 2014 #18

Allen had children with Mia Major Nikon Feb 2014 #26

She's a liar if the quote you included was direct. seaglass Feb 2014 #28

since so many people want to make them involved as family or romantic partners back then�. KittyWampus Feb 2014 #38

he did not pay attention to the kids but mostly dylan, than later moses casually, seabeyond Feb 2014 #42

I have not weighed in on this subject before, but I did read that Mia asked Woody to tblue37 Feb 2014 #218

One would have to reach pretty far to come up with that Major Nikon Feb 2014 #58

it was a family unit. vacations to europe, vacations to connecticut summer home. seabeyond Feb 2014 #60

A "family unit" that consisted of other fathers, nannies and a dozen or so kids Major Nikon Feb 2014 #74

Best to leave the adopted children of your lover and mother of your children alone,wouldn't you say? boston bean Feb 2014 #78

I don't think I'd do it Major Nikon Feb 2014 #83

I'll make a judgment based on the facts that he fucked around with boston bean Feb 2014 #85

beyond angry someone telling me i do not know whether i would cheat on my mate with her child. seabeyond Feb 2014 #94

And what does that fact tell you exactly? Major Nikon Feb 2014 #96

two separate issues here major, on allens character. soon yi shows what a piece of shit the man is seabeyond Feb 2014 #98

So why ignore all the shit about Farrow? Major Nikon Feb 2014 #104

wtf? i do not give a shit about mia. she did not molest dylan. allen did. focus.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #108

You obviously haven't read his actual ruling WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #251

There was no witch hunt, and you are misrepresenting the prosecutor: Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #258

I didn't even mention the prosecutor WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #262

The judge was clear regarding the civil case, you don't need caps. The prosecutor Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #280

That he has problems. boston bean Feb 2014 #110

You mean judgment, not reasoning Major Nikon Feb 2014 #120

I'll decide for myself. I'm pretty sure most would find it extremely boston bean Feb 2014 #127

Believe whatever you want about it Major Nikon Feb 2014 #131

I did bring it up in context. boston bean Feb 2014 #134

you do not think you would? you do not think the rest would not know? i damn well KNOW seabeyond Feb 2014 #92

It is exactly about what consenting adults are doing Major Nikon Feb 2014 #102

you can justify stepping over boundaries, purposely hurting loved one all you want. seabeyond Feb 2014 #109

You didn't answer the question Major Nikon Feb 2014 #122

no. i refuse the derailing to take t to other people in the scenario. you are right. it is a ploy seabeyond Feb 2014 #128

So why even mention Soon Yi if you are ignoring everything else? Major Nikon Feb 2014 #130

because there was a subthread, presenting it as a nonfamily unit. which is incorrect. seabeyond Feb 2014 #133

Call it whatever you want Major Nikon Feb 2014 #149

She made a specific statement about the nature of her relationship with Woody which turns out to be seaglass Feb 2014 #79

It's obvious she means "alone" together WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #249

Not parsing, I am literally reading what she said. You're the one adding words and interpreting seaglass Feb 2014 #265

Uh, yeah, when she was nineteen WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #270

Wow - you are really invested in this. No need to get nasty. And that ends my interest seaglass Feb 2014 #273

Look, my apologies�please hear me out for a moment WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #278

Apology accepted. seaglass Feb 2014 #294

This message was self-deleted by its author WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #275

thank you Botany Feb 2014 #36

Why? Who the heck are you to dictate who can or can't take up a relationship? KittyWampus Feb 2014 #40

a family unit. sisters and brothers. dating a woman and cheating with the daughter. a destruction seabeyond Feb 2014 #43

Simple Rule Botany Feb 2014 #47

It is a pretty simple rule laundry_queen Feb 2014 #173

There is never a good time to start f***ing your partner's children and .... Botany Feb 2014 #176

yep. laundry_queen Feb 2014 #190

You are so right about this Generic Other Feb 2014 #313

So, if you adopted a daughter, at age of 8 got divorced from the man boston bean Feb 2014 #72

And yet he can't understand tavernier Feb 2014 #184

Sexual predators spend years grooming their victims. Z_I_Peevey Feb 2014 #55

and knowing this, yes. he stated she was in the background, yet he noticed her seabeyond Feb 2014 #59

I find it interesting that I haven't seen a lot of comments cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #103

Anna Salters's popular and scholarly works, including this book, Z_I_Peevey Feb 2014 #118

Thank you very much!! cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #123

So now, Soon-Yi, in her forties, is the victim of a sexual predator? WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #257

Seriously? Have you taken a survey? WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #272

They had a very unconventional relationship... RichGirl Feb 2014 #6

Categorically FALSE> it is beyond reason that so many DU"ers insist on repeating this lie. KittyWampus Feb 2014 #33

Didn't Sandusky deny being chervilant Feb 2014 #2

Dozens of his alleged victims spoke up. With Woody, only one alleged victim spoke up. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #10

IMHO, the only thing worse chervilant Feb 2014 #35

That's not even an argument Scootaloo Feb 2014 #197

It was part of a larger argument DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #281

Yes, whenever these cases come up, that is always truedelphi Feb 2014 #255

There were actual witnesses vankuria Feb 2014 #44

so the victim is to be believed ONLY when someone sees the pervert in the act of abuse? even then seabeyond Feb 2014 #48

I was only trying vankuria Feb 2014 #81

That's not an accurate account: Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #90

the point. a witness saw a rape in sandusky case, but... first one, was ignored and many rapes seabeyond Feb 2014 #97

"More than enough evidence" vankuria Feb 2014 #112

the judge stated allen's behavior was grossly inappropriate and measures to protect dylan seabeyond Feb 2014 #115

+100 nt LiberalEsto Feb 2014 #136

While the judge did state vankuria Feb 2014 #137

really...? and a decade and half later in all our progession, calif, montana, canada, seabeyond Feb 2014 #138

I assume you do not believe the findings of ... Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #143

nor did the judge, read his account, and why he stated they were not credible. my post addressing seabeyond Feb 2014 #145

The judge did not say the group was not credible Major Nikon Feb 2014 #162

The Yale New Haven study report is "sanitized and, therefore, less credible" owing to a variety of f seabeyond Feb 2014 #164

I read it and nowhere does it say "not credible" Major Nikon Feb 2014 #166

less credible.... really major? they fucked up and judge did not believe what they handed over. seabeyond Feb 2014 #167

The judge didn't say that either Major Nikon Feb 2014 #168

you can nit pick a word major in an effort to create an illusion the report was valid. seabeyond Feb 2014 #171

It wasn't ignored Major Nikon Feb 2014 #185

people can go in and read. i am not hunting thru the pages again. Harvard report was not credible seabeyond Feb 2014 #186

Why should anyone look for an explanation for something that was never claimed? Major Nikon Feb 2014 #198

Valid according only to the judge. kwassa Feb 2014 #195

wrong. many in the field at the time expressed the concern harvard handled it in that manner. seabeyond Feb 2014 #202

nothing in the court documents. no links. Major Nikon Feb 2014 #212

Again, I would not presume to pass judgment on this case without knowing what tblue37 Feb 2014 #238

The judge said the report was "less credible" because he didn't have their notes Major Nikon Feb 2014 #245

The language from the judge is strong enough to cause me to doubt this report Gothmog Feb 2014 #324

... Major Nikon Feb 2014 #326

I was asking about the full opinion from the child abuse case in Ct. Gothmog Feb 2014 #327

The judge did not find the information to be credible. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #146

Virtually all child abusers deny chervilant Feb 2014 #49

look, he may or may not have done it, but the Yale team was clear that they didn't think he had cali Feb 2014 #51

what if two out of three thought he had? but the one that did not examine dylan, seabeyond Feb 2014 #61

well, the adopted son he molested wasn't his "real" son and was elehhhhna Feb 2014 #192

Of course he denied it WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #260

Here's the statement chervilant Feb 2014 #3

I love kids... RichGirl Feb 2014 #8

If someone accused you of abuse, would you think it might be true? Democat Feb 2014 #12

Would you? chervilant Feb 2014 #23

All abusers deny it jberryhill Feb 2014 #126

I find it tiresome chervilant Feb 2014 #232

I also find it tiresome TM99 Feb 2014 #293

Well, then, we're in luck! chervilant Feb 2014 #298

Please read Ney's book. TM99 Feb 2014 #304

I fully intend to read Ney's book. chervilant Feb 2014 #306

it was not like he had not have a handful of years of mia, therapist telling him his behavior seabeyond Feb 2014 #24

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #182

How is the library today? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #183

This looks like trash to me... Walk away Feb 2014 #5

Woody Allen is a sexual pervert. Of course, he denies it. boston bean Feb 2014 #9

That's great logic there. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #11

He was accused, therefore he is guilty, it's his job to prove he's innocent Democat Feb 2014 #13

I read the 32 page report DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #17

2-3% false rape. 100% lie about being pedophiles. yet, you choose to believe the 100% seabeyond Feb 2014 #19

It wasn't directed toward me DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #25

today, ya, he might have been, except being celebrity, probably not. 3% of rapist actually seabeyond Feb 2014 #30

I really don't know if he did it or not. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #37

post 48. as with polanski, sandusky, steubenville with video... people still stand up for the rapist seabeyond Feb 2014 #52

Given the totality of circumstances I had no problem believing Polanski and Sandusky were guilty. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #57

more children had to be raped because ONE witness was not enough. what a decade of more rapes? seabeyond Feb 2014 #65

Of course one sexual assault of a minor is one sexual assault too much... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #75

the point is. sandusky, there was an eye witness to rape. it was ignored for a decade allowing seabeyond Feb 2014 #87

And a credible investigation by Yale New Haven Hospital that suggested the charges are unfounded DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #99

The judge did not find the Yale team to be credible. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #101

Yet the District Attorney didn't file charges with the information on hand DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #105

I am not talking about my opinion, the prosecutor did not go forward, he stated, Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #111

Let me understand this DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #116

There was no due process because a decision was made not to go forward Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #124

There's a lot of space between "probable cause" and "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt". DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #135

A prosecutor has the discretion to go forward or not..you may not agree but Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #140

"The evidence suggests it is unlikely he (Allen) he could be successfully prosecuted for sexual ... kwassa Feb 2014 #219

He was all in for Mia?? Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #222

I read all 30 pages of the opinion. Did you? kwassa Feb 2014 #229

Yes, and? Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #230

The judge was clearly wildly in favor of Mia, and opposed to Woody, kwassa Feb 2014 #234

Not in isolation, no..that is not accurate. Your interpretation of the judge Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #236

My interpretation is a direct quote from the judge. Try again. kwassa Feb 2014 #239

Don't lecture me, you are stretching..I read all of it, and you are Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #241

My analysis is correct, and you know it is. kwassa Feb 2014 #256

Mia named one of her kids after the judge...I think she saw him on her side, too. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #299

Hiuh? You have any documentation for that, please post it. Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #300

Did the Google break? Go check for yourself how many of Mia's kids have "Wilk" in their names. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #301

You're rude. You make a claim, post the link..it's a simple courtesy. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #302

Yeah...still waiting for you to cite post 146. So...since you've googled and found out that looney msanthrope Feb 2014 #303

Are you playing a game here? That looney tune Farrow...I see you have issues with Mia. Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #305

no. they were protecting the child. and they could protect her, without going to court seabeyond Feb 2014 #114

no. it was not credible. the judges point. three people. no notes kept for the seabeyond Feb 2014 #106

The opinion of a family court judge is not dispositive in a criminal matter DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #113

ya. steubenville had a video and they decided there was not enough to prosecute. which brings seabeyond Feb 2014 #117

Allen lost his bid to have the states attorney disciplined boston bean Feb 2014 #139

Folks are free to hold any opinions they want. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #172

The opinion of the judge was the same Major Nikon Feb 2014 #170

which anyone would say about any event when no one saw. still concerned enough to protect seabeyond Feb 2014 #174

Which proves absolutely nothing other than an allegation was made Major Nikon Feb 2014 #191

NO custody. NO visitation. NO supervised visitation. i get some need a video of the rape or be seabeyond Feb 2014 #193

'Smells a lot more like Mia than Dylan' Z_I_Peevey Feb 2014 #27

He makes me want to ann--- Feb 2014 #31

pervert, yes. likes to "joke" at womens rapes and molestation, and the boys giggle. xwife raped seabeyond Feb 2014 #32

Well, you better get clucking about an awful lot of comedians then. KittyWampus Feb 2014 #77

"Clucking?" Really? Expressing disgust for a joke he made about the sexual assault of his Squinch Feb 2014 #89

clucking? as in a hen? seabeyond Feb 2014 #119

Based on your argument no one should ever believe an accused person is innocent of rape. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #39

hyperbole. the logical would at least take into consideration the fact that pedophiles will always seabeyond Feb 2014 #67

No that would be statistics not logic, and statistics are trumped by the truth in a specific case. PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #76

Nononono. If the witch drowns, THAT is how she proves her innocence, because a witch floats. nt tblue37 Feb 2014 #242

Throw her in the water! WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #269

My creep-o-meter says, "CREEP." DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #14

And Mia registers 100 on my "Fatal Attraction" psycho woman meter. Bonobo Feb 2014 #22

Yes, I would leave my pet rabbit with Mia. No, I would not leave any of my children with Woody. ymmv Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #41

+1. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #68

as a sexual abuse survivor Voice for Peace Feb 2014 #54

the judge found that she was a loving and caring mother treestar Feb 2014 #95

As a stepfather... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #141

I wouldn't want either Woody or Mia to be within a mile of *me* for that matter. tblue37 Feb 2014 #250

Dylan Farrow's response to Allen's NY Times op-ed... PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #15

Thanks Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #220

"self-absorbed, untrustworthy and insensitive", "his behavior grossly inappropriate with dylan" seabeyond Feb 2014 #16

He is a ann--- Feb 2014 #29

Of course you don't. Good thing Soon-yi wasn't Allen's adopted teenage daughter. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2014 #53

She was the adopted ann--- Feb 2014 #307

Mia and Woody never lived together. He never even spent the night at Mia's. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2014 #308

Woah woah, wait. He took a lie detector and she refused? LittleBlue Feb 2014 #34

Not quite: Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #62

According to Dylan, this is misleading. Allen refused to take a state-administered lie detector Tanuki Feb 2014 #63

Interesting. The truth about who was reluctant to take the lie detector LittleBlue Feb 2014 #82

It seems like someone took one.... And someone didn't. Agschmid Feb 2014 #161

There's a reason that courts don't accept 'lie detector' results as evidence. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #86

No, it's a sign that you know they are inaccurate treestar Feb 2014 #88

He refused to take the POLICE lie detector test LiberalEsto Feb 2014 #142

Neither would be Major Nikon Feb 2014 #277

Did it ever occur ann--- Feb 2014 #45

What sick & hideous movies did he produce? Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2014 #56

All of them ann--- Feb 2014 #295

court says he purposely worked toward causing animosity between siblings, adopted/biological, seabeyond Feb 2014 #73

But that was in reference to his behavior in this case and in the Soon Yi affair, because he was tblue37 Feb 2014 #254

He's been married to her for sixteen years Nevernose Feb 2014 #177

Here's The 1993 Woody Allen Custody Ruling In Its Damning, Detailed Entirety Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #46

Here's the exoneration from the 7 month investigation by the team the prosecution selected Major Nikon Feb 2014 #221

The judge read it, remember? Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #227

I'm still waiting for you to prove he said it wasn't credible Major Nikon Feb 2014 #233

Done many posts ago.,,but you knew that already. Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #237

I have little doubt it's a game you play often Major Nikon Feb 2014 #283

Yep, I think you corner yourself and rely on semantics to assist your silly arguments. Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #285

I do rely on the dictionary from time to time as do most fully literate people Major Nikon Feb 2014 #286

Which is useless for you, as evidenced in how the judge ruled in the end. What does sanitized mean? Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #288

I guess you didn't read what the appellate court wrote about the subject Major Nikon Feb 2014 #289

Don't pull that..I read the entire piece..you had a conversation with another Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #290

I'm just wondering why you're taking this so personally Major Nikon Feb 2014 #291

lol Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #292

compelling? I'd call it superficial, self serving and deceptive at best Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #50

the thread of the acutal court documents, nothing. the thread the accused molestor proclaims seabeyond Feb 2014 #64

Speaks ABSOLUTE FUCKING VOLUMES, doesn't it? redqueen Feb 2014 #194

pretty sure woody allen has a penis d_b Feb 2014 #69

Fact: Woody Allen is a male. RC Feb 2014 #144

DYLAN.... accused woody of molestation, just to be accurate. i know how important that is to you seabeyond Feb 2014 #147

After Mia took her out for some Ice cream. RC Feb 2014 #148

wrong. mia got off the phone when told woody allen had his head on her lap, kneeling in front of seabeyond Feb 2014 #150

What is my history of posts? RC Feb 2014 #151

The nanny that gave that account told one of the other nannies she regretted it Major Nikon Feb 2014 #205

nothing in the court documents. no links. seabeyond Feb 2014 #208

Link Major Nikon Feb 2014 #211

why did mia buy the icecream? seabeyond Feb 2014 #152

That would seem to be self evident. RC Feb 2014 #153

it isnt. what was the purpose? what was her reasoning. what are you arguing making this seabeyond Feb 2014 #154

Because before Mia took Dylan out for ice cream, she denied the molestation. RC Feb 2014 #156

she had already stated the molestation. she did not want to talk about it at the doctors. seabeyond Feb 2014 #157

i really am waiting for a reason that mia would brainwash her child to accuse a supposed innocent seabeyond Feb 2014 #165

Because Mia was mad at Woody and wanted to put him a bad light. RC Feb 2014 #196

all while she was "mad" at him she allowed visits with the children understanding the need seabeyond Feb 2014 #203

Bahahahahahaha... RC Feb 2014 #207

it is in the court documents. provide your, please seabeyond Feb 2014 #209

i have to leave for about ten minutes. i will check when i get back, why this matters. seabeyond Feb 2014 #155

no one knows wtf happened d_b Feb 2014 #158

ya... the rich famous privilege is being picked on cause he is male. ;) seabeyond Feb 2014 #159

I know ;) d_b Feb 2014 #160

Oh yes. We who bear the heavy baggage of a scrotum are so oppressed by the DU gynocratic tyrants! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #199

You don't recognize sarcasm? RC Feb 2014 #200

When you say it like that, Squinch Feb 2014 #284

From a comment on the New York Times article Beringia Feb 2014 #70

yep--that makes a lot of sense; I can conclude he's a narcissistic boundary violator if nothing else zazen Feb 2014 #129

I don't think Dylan's claim can fall under the 'ambiguity' defense, read what Dylan wrote: PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #189

While Beringia Feb 2014 #201

you may not know what either are capable of, but declared dylan lied and woody wouldnt do it. seabeyond Feb 2014 #204

it is an opinion Beringia Feb 2014 #210

So Allen took a lie detector test and passed it. And a team investigated for 7 months the accusation quinnox Feb 2014 #71

Your information is flawed: Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #80

If true, why was Mia Farrow never asked to take a lie detector test? Democat Feb 2014 #93

If ? It indicates they did not find cause to ask her and as you can see, the judge did Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #100

That's not what the judge said Major Nikon Feb 2014 #206

I read what he said, tell me where I am incorrect. Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #214

"the judge did not find the Yale team credible." Major Nikon Feb 2014 #215

You have a lack of comprehension, that's your problem, not mine. Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #216

Pot/Kettle Major Nikon Feb 2014 #217

Like I said, you do not comprehend, no nuance...he names Levanthal who was Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #225

So why can't you quote anything that proves your assertion? Major Nikon Feb 2014 #231

You have that backwards, but that appears to be a problem for you, overall, when Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #235

So as evidence of you not using the fully literate meaning of the word "less" you give an example Major Nikon Feb 2014 #240

You like getting the last word in that much, eh? Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #243

His whole life and career points to perverted behaviour. efhmc Feb 2014 #91

By career you must mean movie making DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #132

Notice how... Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #180

They might be referring to the movies cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #188

Excellently documented. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #228

Perhaps the poster refers to this... PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #224

Notice how... Squinch Feb 2014 #282

WHat I have to say Will piss all of you off! imthevicar Feb 2014 #107

Um... Agschmid Feb 2014 #163

I'll never believe a word that piece of garbage says. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #175

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Feb 2014 #181

Legal Finding of Fact from the case BainsBane Feb 2014 #179

Except his argument doesn't match court records. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #187

From the court records... Major Nikon Feb 2014 #223

I'm talking about the actual court decision in Allen v. Farrow. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #248

that's what you should have said Major Nikon Feb 2014 #253

If Woody Allen wants to claim that Mia manipulated Dylan over some ice cream... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #259

The court was concerned with custody Major Nikon Feb 2014 #261

No, the custody appeal definitely mentions the abuse allegations on the first page. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #266

Actually there were two appeals Major Nikon Feb 2014 #271

The first makes mention of it? It's a central point in the decision. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #276

I don't see how it could be a central point Major Nikon Feb 2014 #279

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #226

Did so. HERVEPA Feb 2014 #263

Did not HERVEPA Feb 2014 #264

Did so HERVEPA Feb 2014 #267

Did not HERVEPA Feb 2014 #268

Until a corroborating victim comes forward, its made up. reddread Feb 2014 #296

The one he married has maintained silence Generic Other Feb 2014 #314

If money protects him, why didnt he pay off Mia when Dershowitz made the offer? reddread Feb 2014 #315

Why Soon-Yi stays with Woody? Generic Other Feb 2014 #316

you must know her pretty well reddread Feb 2014 #318

I don't know her at all Generic Other Feb 2014 #321

I think the bottom line is they tried to secure a payoff and he refused. speaks volumes. reddread Feb 2014 #323

I don't believe in witch hunts for good causes. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #297

The fact that Allen does not bring a lawsuit tells me a great deal Gothmog Feb 2014 #325

It only shows he's not an idiot, and has halfway decent lawyers Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #329