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LiberalLovinLug

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134. Nicely put

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 08:32 PM

Feb 2014

This is the obvious central point to this whole drawn out affair.

Its pretty obvious to everyone with a brain when we hear these knowledge-phobia stalwarts attack the messenger as their desperate last resort in avoiding discussing the real issues. I feel more pity for them more than anything.

Here are some other historical figures that these frightened-of-info folk can now rightly dismiss any writing or speaking they may have done in their lives:

Martin Luther King: Because he was a serial cheater. Multiple extra-marital affairs.

Bill Clinton: He got a blow job while in office, and had other women claim he had affairs with them as well

Mohandas Gandhi: He wrote a letter of support to Hitler. He defended the caste system and the subjugation of women in Indian society.

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EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE of a discussion instigated regarding Greenwald's character [View all] sibelian Feb 2014 OP

+1,000 n/t malaise Feb 2014 #1

Another +1000 nt truebluegreen Feb 2014 #2

+ another thousand Scuba Feb 2014 #3

Yet another +1000 NuclearDem Feb 2014 #4

+ 10,000 cantbeserious Feb 2014 #5

+ Graham's Number dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #98

Damn right. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #6

I agree it is of no consequence . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #7

Yep. n/t demmiblue Feb 2014 #8

K&R for accuracy. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #9

K&R for continued exposure. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #10

Amen fasttense Feb 2014 #11

Completely Agree!!!! n/t needed!! TxGrandpa Feb 2014 #12

This is not libertarian underground stonecutter357 Feb 2014 #13

Libertarians only hate it when a D is in office AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #104

What does that mean? Republican Whistle Blowers exposed Bush's crimes during his administration. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #172

NEW !!!! By Jeremy Scahill and Glenn Greenwald Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #14

A couple of Crap Bloggers cheered by a vocal contingent on DU... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #137

My feeling about that spat as compared to the bigger picture Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #182

It's one helluva funny tempest in a teapot. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #188

It's McCarthyite bullshit and very often couched in homophbia. It has gone on for Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #15

homophobia like in Russia? nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #94

You realize that there are degrees of homophobia and other discrimination? hueymahl Feb 2014 #111

russia the first to stand for freedom is blatantly homophobic? nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #112

I hadn't paid any attention until I read the title of this thread. eShirl Feb 2014 #16

Examining multiple examples of Greenwald's style of argument and his history convinced me struggle4progress Feb 2014 #17

Beside the point and can be said of almost anyone we disagree with: JDPriestly Feb 2014 #25

Where you see "bold and honest," I see "steaming heaps" struggle4progress Feb 2014 #31

That's fine as long as you refute the reporting on the NSA rather than attack his character. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #113

Yeah, Greenwald is a liar and no amount of insulting other members of this Cha Feb 2014 #28

Abso-friggin-lutely. +10,000 nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #88

Deflection AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #105

Where are the insults to Du members in the OP? And case closed is about attacking the messenger, cui bono Feb 2014 #115

"A small cohort of losers are smarting over their loss." could be interpreted as such dionysus Feb 2014 #157

If "loser" is name calling. I think it's meant as loser of an argument. cui bono Feb 2014 #173

I believe those obsessed with constant hateful attacks on Greenwald, do rhett o rick Feb 2014 #126

Commitment isn't the problem obxhead Feb 2014 #149

They dont discuss issues but only disrupt. Why they are allowed to stay is beyond me. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #150

Amen. +10,000 nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #87

and unlike greenwald, they won't be making a living doing it. checkbook journalism 101 dionysus Feb 2014 #156

But that's all they have. They cannot argue substance and they cannot argue law. bemildred Feb 2014 #18

du rec. xchrom Feb 2014 #19

Obama administration starts to implement changes to NSA phone records program ProSense Feb 2014 #20

Pathetically little; pathetically late. And not all that convincing. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #22

I know. He should resign. Why bother? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #23

And everybody should vote third-party, because it's so much easier than making a serious struggle4progress Feb 2014 #29

And to those that disparage whistle-blowers and Occupy this should make you happy. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #147

No he should shut that motherfucker down. All of it. For good. bemildred Feb 2014 #30

"Motherfucker"...impressive. ProSense Feb 2014 #32

I know he can't just shut her down. And you know he won't resign. Right? bemildred Feb 2014 #39

You won't get the NSA shut down -- and you won't get much of the public behind you struggle4progress Feb 2014 #37

Yes, Totally impossible, Ridiculous really. Fatuous. I suggest you stop worrying about it. bemildred Feb 2014 #41

That style won't work either. It may make you feel witty and morally superior, but struggle4progress Feb 2014 #43

I'm not trying to accomplish anything, I'm just amusing myself. bemildred Feb 2014 #45

"I'm not trying to accomplish anything" seems sadly cynical struggle4progress Feb 2014 #48

I am very cynical. Who exactly am I supposed to "believe" in? bemildred Feb 2014 #50

Good grief, bemildred. Why would I give a fugg who or what you "believed in"? struggle4progress Feb 2014 #56

I dunno. Maybe you are just amusing yourself too. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #58

I'll tell ya, every time I actually do something, I learn something struggle4progress Feb 2014 #61

Right, so why waste time on an old cynic like me? nt bemildred Feb 2014 #63

I apologize for bothering you struggle4progress Feb 2014 #66

Accepted. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #71

If you spend just half the time you spend pissing and moaning on this website... ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #108

Thanks for the pep talk. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #110

+1 Rex Feb 2014 #99

sometimes people forget that DU is for the most part, self entertainment... dionysus Feb 2014 #158

Yes, taking all this much too seriously. bemildred Feb 2014 #185

No. He shouldn't resign. He should do his job and not be intimidated by the big brass in the NSA. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #36

Why? So you could repeat that it's "pathetically little; pathetically late"? ProSense Feb 2014 #38

another BRILLIANT reduction to absurdity TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #53

Right.. "it's too fucking late to do anything about it.. we're all doomed.. we're Cha Feb 2014 #62

good example of the problem questionseverything Feb 2014 #109

oh of course! treestar Feb 2014 #80

So you are giving Pres Obama credit for starting to fix what he and you said wasnt broken. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #130

I don't have to pander to you like the President may think he should treestar Feb 2014 #187

There have been a number of whistle-blowers that have tried to use the rhett o rick Feb 2014 #189

Yeah, knew they'd be popping up with their Cha Feb 2014 #24

Nor does it matter what kind of person Snowden is or why he went to China. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #21

If you're supporting Snowden despite him handing the Chinese government struggle4progress Feb 2014 #26

Anyone who supports the excessive surveillance of the NSA is unlikely to vote for Democrats JDPriestly Feb 2014 #33

You've got to stop thinking in terms of slogans and start thinking in terms struggle4progress Feb 2014 #42

What do you mean? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #51

It's too abstract: you need a list of specific policy reforms struggle4progress Feb 2014 #68

Could you please list a few of the policy reforms you are talking about? Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #70

You haven't seen any evidence that the NSA is doing this to American citizens, either. randome Feb 2014 #72

They definitely collect our metadata -- a lot of it. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #73

"As for tracing cell phones by GPS, I'm less sure" - don't be BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #118

I saw no slogans in JD Priestly's comment. That tactic is so old but DUers, as this thread sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #174

Nicely put LiberalLovinLug Feb 2014 #134

Supposition With No Corroborating Facts cantbeserious Feb 2014 #35

You should look up the S China Morning Post article and review its effect on the Obama-Xi summit struggle4progress Feb 2014 #40

And How Would We Know If That Article Was Planted Propaganda cantbeserious Feb 2014 #55

Could be, if it was an isolated incident -- but over and over again Snowden and pals struggle4progress Feb 2014 #59

Have No Insight Into The Vague References cantbeserious Feb 2014 #60

There was a whole string of them. Consider for example the G8 struggle4progress Feb 2014 #65

Yes - We Learned That The US Spied On World Leaders cantbeserious Feb 2014 #93

What is worse? What Snowden exposed, or what the NSA is doing? RC Feb 2014 #44

Defending Snowden won't produce NSA changes: it drives the debate in the wrong direction struggle4progress Feb 2014 #46

Without Snowden We Would Be Clueless cantbeserious Feb 2014 #57

I think that means you weren't paying attention struggle4progress Feb 2014 #67

Not at all hootinholler Feb 2014 #76

look at the upper right panel of this cartoon from 2006. a lot of us knew a long ass time ago. dionysus Feb 2014 #159

People are not going to get off the fence if they don't know whats happening Armstead Feb 2014 #49

And if you feed them bullshizz, instead of good information, they'll start running away struggle4progress Feb 2014 #52

Actually a majority of the American people are on her side. It is your position that appears sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #168

Thank you for your insight Progressive dog Feb 2014 #27

New NSA/drone/metadata information: Hissyspit Feb 2014 #34

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #47

Will you admit that some have a different opinion of what has been 'revealed'? randome Feb 2014 #54

It's the cult of Greenwald. Whatever he says Cha Feb 2014 #64

The book may be the only way he can pay his delinquent taxes! randome Feb 2014 #69

ROFL +1000 Shhh, we're not allowed to say anything bad, no matter how true it is. Of course, okaawhatever Feb 2014 #89

People need to stop replying to these losers. DesMoinesDem Feb 2014 #74

Agreed. Don't take the bait when you see an OP filled with personal attacks and logical fallacies. pa28 Feb 2014 #124

yup Skittles Feb 2014 #169

K/R - Case closed. 840high Feb 2014 #75

Exactly. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #77

+1000 bobduca Feb 2014 #183

OH BULL!! If Greenwald had a clue what real journalism is he would understand that it is his Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #78

LMAO L0oniX Feb 2014 #121

Kick Agony Feb 2014 #123

Absolutely! LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #184

Greenwald is a blogger. idendoit Feb 2014 #192

IT is Glenn who tries to make it about himself treestar Feb 2014 #79

Shhhh, we're not suppose to notice that. the cult of GG and Snowdem Cha Feb 2014 #81

K&R woo me with science Feb 2014 #82

OMG! Thank you, sibelian, for saying this. Even for the 87th time. Th1onein Feb 2014 #83

WRONG. Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #84

lmao iamthebandfanman Feb 2014 #85

Two-and-a-half hours before two of them came in to make your point. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #86

they certainly are not on the ball tonight Skittles Feb 2014 #151

they will flock tomorrow to the article bobduca Feb 2014 #161

I saw a post by one the other day Skittles Feb 2014 #163

reminded of this bobduca Feb 2014 #167

yes, keep thinking that people who disagree with you are paid govt agents. dionysus Feb 2014 #170

Ad hominem attacks are a known fallacy. Typical smear tactics. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #90

Not true at all. Clearly many disagree with you Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #91

Mine haven't been, which is why no one wants to discuss them Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #92

Temper Tantrum alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #95

You don't expect to get a discussion going about temper tantrums do ya? L0oniX Feb 2014 #122

Spewing hatred in post after post isnt having "another position." rhett o rick Feb 2014 #128

+ a gazillion L0oniX Feb 2014 #96

Idunno. I hear he's a nice guy. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #97

No need to worry about case closed dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #100

K&R for pissing off all the right people! Rex Feb 2014 #101

I've seen far more character fluffing for Greenwald on the Internet than character assassination. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #102

Why would someone need faith? This isn't church and these players aren't gods or saints. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #144

PURE Doublespeak bobduca Feb 2014 #148

Superb! LittleBlue Feb 2014 #103

It happens frequently here on DU. It seems the ad hominem attacks pop Cleita Feb 2014 #106

I've been using Full Ignore on what I believe are paid operatives that attack GG or ES davidlynch Feb 2014 #107

But you miss all the corporate overlord talking points that way. NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #139

K&R.... daleanime Feb 2014 #114

yep. If OBL were still alive, and declared the sky blue stupidicus Feb 2014 #116

Important to call out and label the DISHONEST rhetoric bobduca Feb 2014 #162

you know it stupidicus Feb 2014 #190

indeed bobduca Feb 2014 #195

Thank you! 20score Feb 2014 #117

I remain amazed ... and am thus somewhat ambivalent The Traveler Feb 2014 #119

+1000 G_j Feb 2014 #132

Glad to see this post with 165 recs. pa28 Feb 2014 #120

Thank you, thank you! It's a disinformation tactic, and there's a certain contingent here truth2power Feb 2014 #125

You are clueless! idendoit Feb 2014 #127

And the influx continues.... woo me with science Feb 2014 #135

Okay, I'll woo you. idendoit Feb 2014 #143

plonk bobduca Feb 2014 #181

+1000 debunkthis Feb 2014 #129

Those you refer to have nothing left to post but hatred. They have nothing to say about rhett o rick Feb 2014 #131

Speaking of principles. idendoit Feb 2014 #133

"Isn't Greenwald sitting on the very same secrets that the NSA is/was?" We really dont rhett o rick Feb 2014 #136

Didn't you get the Truman memo? idendoit Feb 2014 #138

Are you pulling my leg? Trust Congress? LOL. Good grief Charlie Brown. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #140

I would never say trust Congress. Al said it. idendoit Feb 2014 #141

put the Tiger Beat crowd on ignore Skittles Feb 2014 #142

Oh, BullSh!t! First of all jazzimov Feb 2014 #145

Ideas can be valid no matter where they originate. Beartracks Feb 2014 #146

at least those threads provide jobs for the people who post them yurbud Feb 2014 #152

Just look at the number of recs (I'm 201) at this point… If it was all about "character"... MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #153

His actions have revealed nothing ground breaking and will not result in reforms. joshcryer Feb 2014 #154

actually, there's more than a "small cohort" of people who can recognize that Greenwald is a dionysus Feb 2014 #155

It is too bad that you missed the OP's point. Oh well. n/t xocet Feb 2014 #164

The OP was addressing the whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #165

looked in a mirror lately? nt dionysus Feb 2014 #171

Haha whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #175

Oh yes, the OP was just kind hearted discourse. joshcryer Feb 2014 #177

Wait, we can dislike GG AND the NSA? joshcryer Feb 2014 #176

Thank you, this needs to be repeated as often as the smears appear on this Democratic forum. And sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #160

It'll never stop. Pavlovian Propaganda is all the scoundrels have. n/t whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #166

The character of the journalist is always relevant to the credibility of their reporting. Chan790 Feb 2014 #178

The credibility of Greenwald's critics has been absent for me since that 'I found out Greenwald Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #186

Thank you. I'm sure I repeat others, but snot Feb 2014 #179

DU'er's, STOP WASTING TIME reading or responding to ad hominem (kill the messenger) attacks. snot Feb 2014 #180

Pffft, nice tantrum. great white snark Feb 2014 #191

Neocons in Democratic Clothing. Octafish Feb 2014 #193

kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #194

K&R friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #196