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213. Excellent post, BellaKos!

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:57 AM

Feb 2014

Very readable and insightful.

As one of the class of '68, who read Glamour in the mid 60s too, I'm wondering if you might remember a column Gloria Steinem wrote each month called "Teddy Bear Tricks"? It was what it sounds like -- tips for women on how to get their way with men. I'm sure she never wants that brought up ever again, but some of us are still around who know how she really got started in writing, and what her views once were. From what I can tell, her philosophy shifted to coincide with which side the bread was buttered on. Ultimately then, the change isn't really a change, it's just another trick.

On twerking, I agree with you, and this very interesting woman, Gail Dines, who you may already know (I didn't) but some here may not...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017168960

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I dare to write about: Men and Women Today [View all] BellaKos Feb 2014 OP

Wonderful post. Bonobo Feb 2014 #1

Thanx so much, Bonobo. n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #55

I've gotta throw a challenge flag close to the start hfojvt Feb 2014 #157

yep, another stereotype in a veritable long list of them. one of my parents encouraged me, the other bettyellen Feb 2014 #174

Lots to ponder here.... llmart Feb 2014 #2

I used to think that way, too. Ilmart. BellaKos Feb 2014 #63

Yes, according respect is essential to tolerance and peace. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #115

So if you were introduced to George Zimmerman today..... llmart Feb 2014 #196

People can earn my DISrespect. Orangepeel Feb 2014 #214

Excellent post. Arkansas Granny Feb 2014 #3

Thank you, Arkansas Granny n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #65

Thanks for the post. safeinOhio Feb 2014 #4

safeinOhio -- Thanx. nt BellaKos Feb 2014 #79

Both. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #5

Thanx, MannyGoldstein. n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #66

Slight correction JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #6

We are all in this together, so we might as well get with the program. bemildred Feb 2014 #7

Agreed. BellaKos Feb 2014 #48

Yes, I remember. bemildred Feb 2014 #60

And you, too. Bemildred. BellaKos Feb 2014 #69

That is a most excellent book libodem Feb 2014 #87

Yes. There were a lot of good books. Time to rediscover them. bemildred Feb 2014 #95

That looks very interesting libodem Feb 2014 #117

The Descent of Women! I may still have my withered and worn paperback. nt BellaKos Feb 2014 #156

I parted with mine a few years back. Gave it to the library book sale. bemildred Feb 2014 #160

I'm not quite sure how to respond to this. OffWithTheirHeads Feb 2014 #8

You're a lot more "normal" than you think! marble falls Feb 2014 #22

You Rock. You are so Awesome right now. Your light is shining so bright Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #26

OffWithTheirHeads BellaKos Feb 2014 #28

i do not see women on du, lashing out, because they are "emotionally damaged". that is insulting. seabeyond Feb 2014 #9

Why is that insulting? Bonobo Feb 2014 #10

no. you have not heard me ever say that. men on du... why insulting? she doesnt know me. seabeyond Feb 2014 #11

We have all suffered some form of emotional damage. Bonobo Feb 2014 #13

do not tell me what i have expereinced. and i will not tell you your suffering or "damage". seabeyond Feb 2014 #16

The only people who have the power to insult me are those I have respect for. Everyone else, I could sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #198

this line is also insulting: Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #15

that would go along with the Op in hof. women, the liars, manipulators, seductresses, ect.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #17

Considering that the World's Biggest Liars and Manipulators have Historically been Men Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #19

but then... it would be a history of men, that in plays, songs, shows and culture, that say women seabeyond Feb 2014 #21

The NeverEnding Cycle That Feeds Itself. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #23

yA.... lol. seabeyond Feb 2014 #25

If you ever visit Iceland - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #31

having been a swimmer for decade and half, and in cold pools at 6 in the morning, in freezing seabeyond Feb 2014 #40

not cold ... check it out Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #42

ah, see... there is life. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #46

Life Is Good - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #52

My personal experience has been polar opposite AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #312

I want to support seabeyond a bit here, I don't like that usage either. bemildred Feb 2014 #80

this is a carry on from another thread where she specifically said some of us women that are vocal seabeyond Feb 2014 #83

Well, I think you have a point. bemildred Feb 2014 #90

that is the problem taking it to personal. even kinda assuming where a person is coming from. seabeyond Feb 2014 #100

This is the Internet, the land of bullshit. bemildred Feb 2014 #107

. seabeyond Feb 2014 #111

I will say this to you, seabeyond. BellaKos Feb 2014 #126

But you didn't speak of your own experience in the OP... cyberswede Feb 2014 #134

cyberswede BellaKos Feb 2014 #155

I am so very sorry, BellaKos, Sissyk Feb 2014 #138

Thank you, Sissyk nt BellaKos Feb 2014 #145

you do not get to re write. seabeyond Feb 2014 #151

Seabeyond BellaKos Feb 2014 #167

Stop misstating my post in other threads when I'm not even addressing you. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #228

There were no lies from seabeyond. JTFrog Feb 2014 #232

So... Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #281

That you are rather Obvious? JTFrog Feb 2014 #284

It was pretty straight forward Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #286

And I already told you. JTFrog Feb 2014 #287

He's obviously an excellent observer. pintobean Feb 2014 #288

I doubt he has much of a view from there. n/t JTFrog Feb 2014 #289

"Dylan is the abuser now""what he did or didn't do...Dylan,...any better seabeyond Feb 2014 #233

You don't need to misstate what I say again, my own links are what I said. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #236

bottomline is if the reader the last two years has been about battling hof. seabeyond Feb 2014 #237

The 'group'' that mercilessly attacked and bullied another member for weeks polly7 Feb 2014 #275

Hey, if you can't twist things into something you can create outrage for .. polly7 Feb 2014 #276

You know, polly7, a thought just occurred to me. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #313

It's kinda like pintobean Feb 2014 #315

Seabeyond doesn't owe you an apology. Here's why she's honest and your OP is not: R B Garr Feb 2014 #254

Thank you for calling that shit out. JTFrog Feb 2014 #278

Yes, it was getting too obvious what all this was really about R B Garr Feb 2014 #294

A toilet? Oh my! pintobean Feb 2014 #283

Whooosh. Right over your head R B Garr Feb 2014 #291

I googled 'suggestion box' pintobean Feb 2014 #295

Thanks for being "frank" R B Garr Feb 2014 #298

You stoop to that pintobean Feb 2014 #301

The OP is lecturing about people's behavior R B Garr Feb 2014 #314

bemildred BellaKos Feb 2014 #114

so who were you? and if you think that it is only two of us that picked up on that, in this OP, seabeyond Feb 2014 #119

Some people see a personal insult .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #149

Not to worry, I got that. bemildred Feb 2014 #120

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #139

is that in this "wall of text" somewhere? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #12

all of this to tell us women that have been hurt and damaged by men... do not lash out.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #14

What I really do not appreciate is the fact that this relative newcomer Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #18

and will not, refuses to take ownership of the insult and address it. seabeyond Feb 2014 #20

and does it under the guise of a Feminine type UserName. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #24

I tried, I really tried Z_I_Peevey Feb 2014 #112

Bless you, my child ... lol ... let me help -- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #116

I don't like "newcomer" as a put down thesquanderer Feb 2014 #108

I understand what you are saying and I respect it. However, I find the subject matter and Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #113

Stuffing the problem never works. RC Feb 2014 #27

RC -- Yes, exactly. I've certainly learned that from experience. n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #30

Is this supposed to be irony? Perhaps it's simply projection? redqueen Feb 2014 #123

No projection. it is called experience and education. RC Feb 2014 #179

"There is a knot of anger that sits at the bottom of the soul seemingly forever." bemildred Feb 2014 #215

is it not arrogantly condescending for men to psychoanalyze the women on du that speak out seabeyond Feb 2014 #217

I'm talking about myself. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #218

i guess that is a way to passively aggressively thumbs up what rc is doing. cause you understand, seabeyond Feb 2014 #220

I don't care about your petty arguments. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #221

my petty argument? i get you do not care. my petty argument is rc telling us we are damaged and seabeyond Feb 2014 #224

Talk all you want. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #225

Thanks for bothering. redqueen Feb 2014 #250

It's like there's no psychoanalysis of DU men pintobean Feb 2014 #229

No shit AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #311

"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men."" Bonobo Feb 2014 #325

It compares some DU men to slave owners. pintobean Feb 2014 #327

Kinda puts the OUTRAGE at it being suggested that there is damage out there in perspective, eh. Bonobo Feb 2014 #329

And it just keeps getting weirder. /nt pintobean Feb 2014 #330

Thank you. That is what I am trying to say. RC Feb 2014 #222

No problem. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #223

I wouldn't worry about it RC, most people got what you were saying. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #239

It is the frustration caused by those that don't get it. RC Feb 2014 #241

You can't get through to them. Which is why most people here don't even try. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #242

Yeah, I know, but the solutions are so obvious and the rewards are so great. RC Feb 2014 #245

You can guarantee the 'educators' of all things polly7 Feb 2014 #274

So true polly. This thread could have been a really good place to talk about the issues raised by sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #280

It turned into exactly what the OP wanted it to turn into. JTFrog Feb 2014 #282

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #285

my, my, who is being nasty and hostile now? whiners gonna whine! n/t Scout Feb 2014 #290

Nailed it. polly7 Feb 2014 #292

oh so it's ok for YOU to get "nasty and hostile" Scout Feb 2014 #297

+1. It's weird because I like everyone disagreeing with each other here, lol. closeupready Feb 2014 #293

this thread is a continuation from another. it is not the topic that is the issue. seabeyond Feb 2014 #296

I think SOME women here MAY profit from counseling, but MEN here - closeupready Feb 2014 #299

frstly, i think it is highly offensive for me to presume that i could have any role at all in seabeyond Feb 2014 #300

I hear you, and I don't disagree at all. closeupready Feb 2014 #303

thank you. seabeyond Feb 2014 #304

"lacking any kind of real information about the person" pintobean Feb 2014 #316

Note: I just served H2O Man Feb 2014 #317

Thanks. Another juror sent me the results. pintobean Feb 2014 #318

It is the damage they spread in the real world too. RC Feb 2014 #305

When you say 'real world,' are you referring to our first-hand experiences? closeupready Feb 2014 #306

No. I mean real world we all are living in. RC Feb 2014 #307

I sure wish I hadn't wasted my time reading all of this. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #29

Just so It is Not a Total Loss ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #35

Thanks Tuesday :-) n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #36

All men are this. All women are that. And what's up with that crazy youth, anyway? Chorophyll Feb 2014 #32

Chorophyll BellaKos Feb 2014 #53

Then maybe your essay should have been cut down to what you just wrote here. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #122

Chorophyll BellaKos Feb 2014 #142

BellaKos, Chorophyll Feb 2014 #163

Chorophyll BellaKos Feb 2014 #173

Compliment aside (thanks), you keep moving the goalposts. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #177

If you realize that generalizations are "never correct," then why resort to them? As an academic anneboleyn Feb 2014 #166

You're absolutely right! cyberswede Feb 2014 #176

anneboleyn BellaKos Feb 2014 #200

Exactly, the articles insists at bottom the same old thing treestar Feb 2014 #58

And it puts the onus on women to do all the adapting. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #135

perfect summary of why this OP is regressive bullshit- thank you! bettyellen Feb 2014 #171

I agree. (nt) PotatoChip Feb 2014 #172

So do I. llmart Feb 2014 #197

Exactly! Gender essentialism (women are counting the calories!) is just bullshit. I happily eat the anneboleyn Feb 2014 #161

anneboleyn BellaKos Feb 2014 #204

It's too bad you chose to end a somewhat accurate (if a little bland) essay Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #33

Sheldon Cooper BellaKos Feb 2014 #39

honestly ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #56

Well, I see that Seabeyond and Tuesday Afternoon are having loads o' fun. BellaKos Feb 2014 #34

So, now you are throwing Ageism into the mix. Wonderful. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #37

first we get in trouble for being damaged goods, then for having fun. sheesh. all out pals in here seabeyond Feb 2014 #47

Kind of used to Call Outs at this point on DU *yawn* Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #61

lecture on respect, not lashing out, yet another down below.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #68

"calling out by name in a post to.... polly" redqueen Feb 2014 #127

I posted to you!? polly7 Feb 2014 #130

learn to read. Scout Feb 2014 #144

I read absolutely, perfectly, 100% just fine, you should try it yourself. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #146

"calling out by name in a post to.... polly" Scout Feb 2014 #147

Of course she can't. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #182

you are correct .... Scout Feb 2014 #189

Apologize for what, and to who???? nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #258

Nah ........ just responding to the typical lying bullshit posts. polly7 Feb 2014 #256

you've been shown at least twice what your lie is. Scout Feb 2014 #263

And you've shown repeatedly that you'll spin and twist anything. polly7 Feb 2014 #266

i did read the thread in order. Scout Feb 2014 #269

Just replying to your nasty, typical garbage. polly7 Feb 2014 #272

really? Scout Feb 2014 #273

oh jeeze, reread for comprehension before you call others liars. someone posted calling out Duers to bettyellen Feb 2014 #188

she reads just fine Scout Feb 2014 #191

So wrong. JTFrog Feb 2014 #206

notice she's gone quiet... LOL Scout Feb 2014 #248

What's this, Scout? polly7 Feb 2014 #255

no problem sweetie, just making an observation Scout Feb 2014 #261

You obviously have a lying and smearing problem. polly7 Feb 2014 #264

what lie have i told? Scout Feb 2014 #267

I did. polly7 Feb 2014 #270

did what? Scout Feb 2014 #271

+1. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #38

cute tactic. tagging on like that. I do it sometimes, too. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #129

I was there. I agree with this: bemildred Feb 2014 #131

Yes, I understand but, please do not matronize your younger sisters in this. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #132

You don't get snotty with me, I won't get snotty with you. bemildred Feb 2014 #140

well, by all means. blow your nose and get back to work Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #141

See, snotty. First thing. bemildred Feb 2014 #143

She didn't use to be that way. pintobean Feb 2014 #148

It's OK. Sometimes I have to leave before I get kicked out too. bemildred Feb 2014 #150

Lol. Yup. /nt pintobean Feb 2014 #152

+1 Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #216

so, you assume we do not know what "Patriarchal Hierarchy" even looks like, and you seabeyond Feb 2014 #43

+5 RC Feb 2014 #44

There are some posters who Union Scribe Feb 2014 #158

Union Scribe BellaKos Feb 2014 #199

Folks can certainly see who's having "fun" around here. JTFrog Feb 2014 #208

Here's the thing about men and women ... dawg Feb 2014 #41

right on brother..... seabeyond Feb 2014 #45

Of course that is true and why the thinking in the OP is so 70s. It manages to be both seaglass Feb 2014 #49

Thank you, dawg, for recognizing that we are individuals. All of us. Each and every one. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #50

Dawg, you're right. BellaKos Feb 2014 #76

Yes, exactly this. Thank you. MadrasT Feb 2014 #184

Wow! That means you will actually be treating the lucky Amy as an individual person! Squinch Feb 2014 #187

Amy* is a lucky girl! Amaril Feb 2014 #249

Recc'd for a thoughtful, well-meaning OP. polly7 Feb 2014 #51

Thanx Polly BellaKos Feb 2014 #54

Nice. Insult another woman TBF Feb 2014 #59

another call out behind my back, with polly that LOVES to insult me? seabeyond Feb 2014 #62

Good gawd ..... not again. I haven't even posted to you, yet here you are polly7 Feb 2014 #70

takin a bow.... yup. seabeyond Feb 2014 #73

Deep. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #74

I think it's interesting that "Bella" keeps setting up seabeyond in posts to you. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #183

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #81

! seabeyond Feb 2014 #84

so, you "," was a little pre, to alerting onmy post? seabeyond Feb 2014 #91

What part of "Results of your Jury Service" Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #94

ok. so you were on the jury and had to do a pre game ",". whatever. were you the yea... lets use seabeyond Feb 2014 #101

My brain hurts Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #103

You can't argue with logic like that. pintobean Feb 2014 #106

I fucking targeted someone as an offender? polly7 Feb 2014 #96

skinner should see juror 4. how is new rule is abused by some, to get people they do not like seabeyond Feb 2014 #104

agreed but, in the end ... the system worked... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #133

Juror number 4 deserves his/her ass MIRTed, and I hope the alerter alerts on these results. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #137

LOL! polly7 Feb 2014 #64

This will be alerted on pintobean Feb 2014 #67

not by me. why? cause she called me out. tell her to go around and edit a number of posts... seabeyond Feb 2014 #71

At least you recognize Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #72

I wouldn't alert or vote to hide. pintobean Feb 2014 #78

recent history of what? people's Alert Records? Really? Do tell where that info can be found Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #82

My dog tells me these things. pintobean Feb 2014 #88

be sure and give her a pat on the head for me. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #93

take note pinto. two alerts in this cutsey subthread of insult. scout and i. go figure... huh. seabeyond Feb 2014 #178

we're just paranoid sea, lashing out inappropriately because of our repressed damaged psyches n/t Scout Feb 2014 #180

So fuckin' lmao, scout. Always thrilled to hear your voice. Nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #181

that's a fucked up post. Scout Feb 2014 #136

Transparency Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #159

thanks Ohio Joe Scout Feb 2014 #165

Now it's clear what the point of this thread was, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #192

Uh huh. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #194

Uh huh, what? nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #260

What's clear? polly7 Feb 2014 #259

The OP is setting up DUers, lol. There was no point in this bettyellen Feb 2014 #308

I can agree with the last line - TBF Feb 2014 #57

Lots of generalizations in there... cyberswede Feb 2014 #75

women speaking their mind is not a result of unhealed pain erupting inappropriately as raw emotion. seabeyond Feb 2014 #77

But we are just soooo emotional and hysterical, dear me, we can't possibly see seaglass Feb 2014 #85

telling me the men in my life have hurt me is probably a zillion times more offensive. simply seabeyond Feb 2014 #86

I picked up on that too JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #92

It is an offensive thing to say, the OP is shit-stirring - bored on a Monday morning I guess. seaglass Feb 2014 #97

yup. it is probably the women that have the solid, respectful me in life, that have the loudest seabeyond Feb 2014 #110

Precisely. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #125

I think you're right. nt cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #211

Spot on. n/t JTFrog Feb 2014 #212

All of my fellow academics must have "unhealed pain erupting" anneboleyn Feb 2014 #162

thank you. you know. who wants to know, be labeled or have this garbage weighing us down.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #164

cyberwede BellaKos Feb 2014 #99

That is it in a nutshell. RC Feb 2014 #230

RC - I agree. n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #328

+100 Chorophyll Feb 2014 #124

thank you, it is bizarre how a laundry list of sterotypes is lauded here as wisdom. bettyellen Feb 2014 #175

Two Words: Sir Paul McCartney.... Bennyboy Feb 2014 #89

Old women rock. bemildred Feb 2014 #98

And why not? lol n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #105

It needed to be said. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #109

Thank you ever so much for matronizing your younger sisters. - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #128

on the front porch, in a chair. yeah. rock on. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #118

Well, and Kenny Rogers. BellaKos Feb 2014 #102

That line from "Never on Sunday"... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #121

I'm sorry. Nothing can be said on this topic without a shit storm ensuing. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #153

It's not reflective of what DU *should be*. n't BellaKos Feb 2014 #201

Well what's to be expected when one lobs a shit grenade? JTFrog Feb 2014 #209

i wasnt aware from the start of all this. but seeing every person on this thread cheering active seabeyond Feb 2014 #219

Maybe it is the unwarranted hostility the rest of us are reacting to. RC Feb 2014 #234

nah.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #235

who determines what is "unwarranted"... Scout Feb 2014 #244

You are saying the hostility is warranted? RC Feb 2014 #246

no, i asked a question. Scout Feb 2014 #247

Why would hostility ever be warranted here in the first place? RC Feb 2014 #251

can't answer the question i see. Scout Feb 2014 #252

Can't answer my questions, even when I ask for clarification of yours. RC Feb 2014 #253

i direct you to my post #247 Scout Feb 2014 #257

Look for the poster who 'lied' a little closer to home. polly7 Feb 2014 #262

what lie would that be, besides yours? Scout Feb 2014 #265

The lie that I 'attacked' and insulted her. polly7 Feb 2014 #268

yuppers... Scout Feb 2014 #243

Interesting perspective. I agree with much of it LittleBlue Feb 2014 #154

Little Blue, thanx. n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #202

Excellent post, thank you. MicaelS Feb 2014 #168

MicaelS BellaKos Feb 2014 #203

Yet no lectures about tone BainsBane Feb 2014 #231

So either you didn't read the answer you clamored to get Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #240

Bainsbane BellaKos Feb 2014 #321

have never seen so many sterotypes in one post- and the youth, all about saying young women have no bettyellen Feb 2014 #169

Yep, massively fucked up. JTFrog Feb 2014 #210

Sorry, but this line is pretty wrong: chrisa Feb 2014 #170

No, chrisa BellaKos Feb 2014 #205

That's out of scope of the original argument. chrisa Feb 2014 #226

No, chrisa BellaKos Feb 2014 #324

The broadbrush binary gender stereotyping doesn't work for me. MadrasT Feb 2014 #185

I always love a wall of text that is patronizing and chock full of sweeping generalizations! Squinch Feb 2014 #186

Squinch ... BellaKos Feb 2014 #207

I believe several people have already given you specific examples Chorophyll Feb 2014 #227

Jes wonnerin: so you post your evidence-free observations, but you require evidence when others Squinch Feb 2014 #302

"Not many can match it. Can you?" JTFrog Feb 2014 #309

. Squinch Feb 2014 #310

WTF is that even supposed to mean? redqueen Feb 2014 #319

Lemme get my old crone JTFrog Feb 2014 #320

As you have discovered, contempt and abuse isn't directed only at men lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #190

it's now considered abusive to note someone lacks courage? i really don't think so. bettyellen Feb 2014 #195

lumberjack_jeff BellaKos Feb 2014 #326

"he assumes that because one is female, she needs protection from modern ills." lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #331

Rec'd since I can enjoy 'stream of consciousness' writing. I see it as that, no more or less. freshwest Feb 2014 #193

Excellent post, BellaKos! Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #213

WaitingforEveryman BellaKos Feb 2014 #322

I can give some insight Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #238

Harmony Blue BellaKos Feb 2014 #323

According to Family Guy BlueStreak Feb 2014 #277

wow. lets just keep feeding the same ole lame stereotype, conditioning this is who we are. seabeyond Feb 2014 #279