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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts) Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:10 AM Feb 2014

Yay, ObamaRomneyCare! 23% rate increase! [View all]

What happens when you mix:

- laissez-fair health care financing, and
- a doctor's union that sets the cost of each procedure, the rules on which procedures must be used when (mostly based on profit, not evidence), and which sets strict limits on the number of doctors that may practice?
- a law forcing people to buy insurance?

You get huge rate increases in state with the already-most-expensive health care, in the country with the already-most-expensive health care. my friend's small Mass. company just got notice that their health insurance (BCBS) is going up 23% for the same coverage. And we've had RomenyCare for a number of years already.

23%!

Yay, team!

Oh, when Obama fought mightily for ~~the public option~~ RomeyHeritageCare, did anyone mention that the land of Romneycare has the most expensive health insurance in the US? And that it was about to leap even more in cost?

This. Is. Bullshit.

We. Are. Stupid.

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Yay, ObamaRomneyCare! 23% rate increase! [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 OP

You might as well try to stop an erupting volcano with your bare hands Fumesucker Feb 2014 #1

"Have you seen what they do to natural resources?" deutsey Feb 2014 #73

Cash crop pocoloco Feb 2014 #83

Indeed Fumesucker Feb 2014 #88

+1 "Human resources" is corporate distortion of "people." nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #223

Did DU just go back in time? tridim Feb 2014 #2

Did you think that once this Health Insurance Bill went into effect people would forget their sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #78

+1000's (n/t) bread_and_roses Feb 2014 #86

+1 eom LittleGirl Feb 2014 #87

Well said, sabrina. NealK Feb 2014 #89

+1 leftstreet Feb 2014 #107

Do we have a number yet for how many BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars... bvar22 Feb 2014 #150

EXACTLY. God, that last-minute discarding of the excuse was just galling. Marr Feb 2014 #197

I will never forget it. The excuse fall apart when not one Republican voted for the bill. All I sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #205

Nice red herring and straw man you have going there. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #120

What ProSense Feb 2014 #3

Does ObamaRomneyHeritageCare cut costs to consumers over the long haul? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #8

STUDY: Average Obamacare Plans Are Cheaper Than Employer-Sponsored Ones ProSense Feb 2014 #12

And what makes them cheaper? Subsidies: MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #15

I get no subsidy and my individual plan is half the price of my employer plan. tridim Feb 2014 #18

That. Was. A. Quote. From. ProSense's. Cited. Article. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #27

I would if she was. tridim Feb 2014 #37

One of us is incapable of reading a post. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #42

Cognative Dissonance AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #76

Facts LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #155

You don't enjoy the shtick? LordGlenconner Feb 2014 #229

"That. Was. A. Quote. From. ProSense's. Cited. Article." NealK Feb 2014 #93

Bullshit leftynyc Feb 2014 #30

Take it up with ProSense MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #31

Uh - no leftynyc Feb 2014 #33

One of us has cognitive issues. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #39

. ProSense Feb 2014 #41

. NealK Feb 2014 #95

Yawn - He wasn't the one who leftynyc Feb 2014 #96

The people you cited don't need subsidies, you said so yourself. But those who do? Who is paying sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #119

That was not what this was about leftynyc Feb 2014 #141

I jumped in for the same reason you jump in. It is a discussion board. And yes, that is what sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #152

that's your repeated arguement...an article that doesn't support your rant? Sheepshank Feb 2014 #97

It is great that this is helping the wealthy. zeemike Feb 2014 #70

Sigh - friend retired leftynyc Feb 2014 #94

Well I am not babbling about people working in a law firm zeemike Feb 2014 #108

Have you ever been in a law firm? leftynyc Feb 2014 #114

Have you ever worked paycheck to paycheck? zeemike Feb 2014 #118

My wife gets no subsidy, and her ACA policy MineralMan Feb 2014 #52

My son is saving $300 a month. blue neen Feb 2014 #109

So? I am glad to pay a little more to make sure EVERYONE has Health Insurance... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #151

Our healthcare plan abelenkpe Feb 2014 #49

I have found this to be true. scorpiogirl Feb 2014 #187

It allows states to restrict rate increases. Your friend should complain to Massachusetts, pnwmom Feb 2014 #106

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #115

No it does not. former9thward Feb 2014 #122

Yes it does. They can reject increases above 10% that they decide are unjustified. 23% is above 10%. pnwmom Feb 2014 #130

No, but believe what you want. former9thward Feb 2014 #131

The states have the authority if they choose to use it. And 37 have so far. pnwmom Feb 2014 #133

That has nothing to do with the ACA. former9thward Feb 2014 #135

all 50 states have been given the authority dsc Feb 2014 #178

States don't need to be "given" that authority. former9thward Feb 2014 #183

Doctor's unions what ever they are don't set reimbursement rates. upaloopa Feb 2014 #165

Ever heard of the AMA? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #167

The AMA doesn't set reimbursement rates either upaloopa Feb 2014 #222

One of us is wrong; let's find out who, OK? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #224

And, who sets the Conversion Factor? Hoyt Feb 2014 #226

Congress. But who sets the RVUs? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #227

CMS, with input from a bunch of groups including AMA. But it doesn't matter. Hoyt Feb 2014 #228

The RVUs are basically set by the RUC MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #230

You obviously have never read CMS's comments accepting or rejecting, the opinion of the RUC. Hoyt Feb 2014 #231

Well... I believe the majority opinion is on my side, e.g... MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #232

So do I. In fact, I was one of the first to read Chao's Harvard study that led to RBRVS. Hoyt Feb 2014 #233

You're reading that from somewhere upaloopa Feb 2014 #234

I may be totally full of @$!#, but MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #235

Please give me a site of a doctor union that sets rates. upaloopa Feb 2014 #236

Is the AMA a doctor's union? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #237

No upaloopa Feb 2014 #238

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #113

Link? I found my rates decreased. B Calm Feb 2014 #4

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #5

Maybe the "Dear Leader acolytes" aren't susceptible to fact-free BS ProSense Feb 2014 #10

And maybe they are hobbit709 Feb 2014 #13

Are you accusing me of lying? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #17

No, I'm accusing you of being wrong. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #20

LOL. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #23

"My buddy sent me the letter that they got from BCBS. Pretty simple stuff." ProSense Feb 2014 #25

Rinse, lather,... MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #28

results of jury service UncleMuscles Feb 2014 #6

When "simple truth" = "disgusting attack" MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #11

And the stupid alerts don't stop there NuclearDem Feb 2014 #38

Jeez louise! MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #40

Not by me, but I wouldn't have voted to hide it, either. aquart Feb 2014 #66

"No explanation given" nxylas Feb 2014 #80

I know right! Say Thanks Obama! snooper2 Feb 2014 #125

Yes you are. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #126

22 hearts say otherwise. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #211

Our plan was canceled. The replacement plan offered was over $400 more a month, Auggie Feb 2014 #7

FUD'ers gotta FUD...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #9

Why would costs increase more than medical inflation in MA? Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #14

Why does a dog lick its private parts? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #16

It's been over in MA for some time Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #19

My understanding is that the plan did not change MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #21

Then why did MA insurance department approve such a big increase Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #26

Your "understanding"... SidDithers Feb 2014 #34

The 22% cut that Obama's hand-picked catfood commission recommended? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #36

... SidDithers Feb 2014 #48

Got me. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #54

Surely, you will prove you honored your bet ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #124

I'm sorry but this is the funniest thing I've seen all day Number23 Feb 2014 #177

Catch the exchange downnthread between me and a poster who doesn't bother to read threads...only OPs msanthrope Feb 2014 #196

... Number23 Feb 2014 #209

His "understanding"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #121

Mhm. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #22

Recced. 100% single payer fan here. Fuck for-profit. AND EVERYONE WHO FOISTS IT. nt livingwagenow Feb 2014 #24

Mass. is ranked #1 in healthcare in the entire country. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #29

True, but that's a low bar. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #35

Good point, and I'm all for single payer, I think they were JaneyVee Feb 2014 #51

Let's not forget about Vermont Springslips Feb 2014 #100

ACA represents progress, imperfect as it is. But I'll continue to advocate for Medicare for All ... Scuba Feb 2014 #32

Medicare doesn't include "dental" and "nursing homes." That's Medicaid. ProSense Feb 2014 #43

That's why I'm advocating for Medicare to cover these needs. Duh. Scuba Feb 2014 #45

+1 jsr Feb 2014 #173

The REAL point is the Healthcare System has a Fatal Pre-Existing Condition which ACA made worse Armstead Feb 2014 #44

+1000 nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #47

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #67

This is the main problem: dotymed Feb 2014 #101

Another +1000 for you. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #217

I have yet to reconcile the ACA in my mind. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #46

That's pretty much where I stand on it too. JoeyT Feb 2014 #149

That's why i wish they'd done it right Armstead Feb 2014 #218

I would feel better if they simply fought for what is right. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #219

I agree Armstead Feb 2014 #220

Lowest health care inflation on record Progressive dog Feb 2014 #50

From your post... MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #55

The 1.3% is the national average Motown_Johnny Feb 2014 #59

his buddy sent him a letter arely staircase Feb 2014 #127

I have a buddy like that. He'll send me a letter saying MineralMan Feb 2014 #140

So if I send him a letter... Motown_Johnny Feb 2014 #168

absolutely not arely staircase Feb 2014 #170

Damn Reality and it's Liberal Bias. Motown_Johnny Feb 2014 #172

I think it's probably an average Progressive dog Feb 2014 #61

During the worst recession since the Great Depression. Coincedence???? Romulox Feb 2014 #65

Healthcare inflation drops in 2010, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #72

Don't forget the backdrop of Obamacare's rollout. There may be manipulation of healthcare Romulox Feb 2014 #74

Of course there could Progressive dog Feb 2014 #98

"Delayed: Obamacare’s employer mandate for small businesses" Romulox Feb 2014 #138

If the evidence all points to Obamacare Progressive dog Feb 2014 #139

Before ACA health care costs were going up year after year. To me B Calm Feb 2014 #53

My hope is that the ACA bankrupts many health insurance companies. Laelth Feb 2014 #56

Bailout is in the works if they take any kind of hit. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #136

FUDers gonna FUD... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #57

"FUDers gonna FUD" Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #68

I've never posted in nor read posts from BOG. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #71

And the influx continues... woo me with science Feb 2014 #190

You caught me... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #208

Obsessed. Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #112

BBI was so much better at it than Manny... dionysus Feb 2014 #159

You better believe it! :) n/t Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #162

The beauty of ignore albino65 Feb 2014 #58

Same coverage? Have you compared the two policies, Manny? MineralMan Feb 2014 #60

You do know your friend can shop for a better priced plan... randome Feb 2014 #62

Remarkable how similar the OP is ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #128

k&r Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #63

But Health Insurers are *OUR* heartless corporate money siphons. They are the *good* corporations, Romulox Feb 2014 #64

thread is trash, ergo trash thread nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #69

I love people who post in a thread to announce they are trashing it Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #77

This. IS. Bullshit. Whisp Feb 2014 #75

"We the People" can not afford Wallstreet Healthcare masquerading as the ACA. democratisphere Feb 2014 #79

Reminds me ProSense Feb 2014 #81

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2014 #82

If the data in the OP were correct, then it really would be "Bullshit" scheming daemons Feb 2014 #84

Anecdotes make discussion boards run Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #91

Why is Obama being ProSense Feb 2014 #85

Maybe the mandate's postponed because... they're seeing shocking premium increases? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #90

What You Need to Know about the Small Business Health Care Tax Credit ProSense Feb 2014 #92

Political expedience would be my guess. n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #103

Yup. n/t progressoid Feb 2014 #148

Isn't Massachusetts and Connecticut home to these profitable Insurance companies? adirondacker Feb 2014 #99

yeah manny still 100 percent anti obama! arely staircase Feb 2014 #102

Maybe we should repeal it!!!! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #104

They're LIARS. Obamacare set up exchanges for individuals and small businesses WITHOUT insurance. pnwmom Feb 2014 #105

Rec'd, except we aren't stupid, we're a corrupt country Corruption Inc Feb 2014 #110

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #111

If you and another DUer (who shall remain unnamed) were to conceive a child ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #116

Awesome... SidDithers Feb 2014 #132

Spill it! Who's the unnamed DUer?? Number23 Feb 2014 #180

What do you expect when single-payer advocates were escorted out of the proceedings? Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #117

I'm a MA employer Scott6113 Feb 2014 #123

Manny ... sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #129

Can we see your data? Also, are you saying there were never 23% increases prior to Obamacare? CreekDog Feb 2014 #134

your post is offensive and over the top Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #137

So we're on our way to single-payer, Medicare for All??? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #144

We are not stupid. We are fighting this tooth and nail. Next stop: Vermont Single Payer. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #142

Here, ProSense Feb 2014 #146

Yes, it's a long journey! Are you for single-payer / Medicare for All? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #147

Sanders along with Democrats from a few key States fought hard to built that provision Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #161

Wait till all these satisfied customers need to use their plans BrotherIvan Feb 2014 #143

Cartoon: Blaming Obamacare ProSense Feb 2014 #145

Are you for single-payer / Medicare for All? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #156

"We" Are Stupid? arely staircase Feb 2014 #153

I've heard some tall tales about the ACA but that one should win an award! Rex Feb 2014 #158

his buddy sent him a letter arely staircase Feb 2014 #160

you Better Believe It Manny! nt dionysus Feb 2014 #154

for the safety of your kitten nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #166

Yup... Paolo123 Feb 2014 #157

+23% solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #163

The willfully blind will attack you, but it won't change the reality. Skip Intro Feb 2014 #164

You have no faith Manny. You just can't see that everything Obama does, Autumn Feb 2014 #169

Kindly post said letter. Your buddy sent it to you, right? Please post. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #171

That shit never gets old Autumn Feb 2014 #174

Really?... SidDithers Feb 2014 #181

Really?... Is that in the OP? Autumn Feb 2014 #184

Did misanthrope claim it was in the OP?... SidDithers Feb 2014 #186

No misanthrope posted to the OP asking "Your buddy sent it to you, right?" Autumn Feb 2014 #188

Look...I can't be responsible if you refuse to read threads, and get confused msanthrope Feb 2014 #195

Like I said, I ask a question I ask it to the post where it's mentioned. Autumn Feb 2014 #199

... Rex Feb 2014 #201

Rex... back atcha Autumn Feb 2014 #204

Your teachers never taught you to hold your questions to the end? One of the more tiresome msanthrope Feb 2014 #216

Keep digging... SidDithers Feb 2014 #206

No, Sid. You just keep trying. Autumn Feb 2014 #207

He's rolling.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #193

Manny's OP??? Oh dear, did you only read the OP, and not the thread?? msanthrope Feb 2014 #192

Is it required to read the whole thread???? Autumn Feb 2014 #203

Oh no honey...you just keep being what you are, it's quite amusing. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #212

Oh you are so sweet I promise to never change Autumn Feb 2014 #215

My Buddy Al Has 'Obamacare' ProSense Feb 2014 #175

We certainly needed that Public Option. It was essential. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #176

Basic costs of Massachusetts health plans show small increases as Obamacare goes into effect ProSense Feb 2014 #179

But Manny Manny Manny! These programs are truedelphi Feb 2014 #182

Huge K&R. It was a corporate scam from the start. woo me with science Feb 2014 #185

Do you remember the video where he called it "insurance finace reform?" Autumn Feb 2014 #189

+1 I do remember that wording. woo me with science Feb 2014 #198

I only saw it the day he had a news conference on their agreement to pass it. Autumn Feb 2014 #200

Right on Woo! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #221

Everybody I know who's salary is low, myself included .... OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #191

Insurance rates usually have to be approved by a state govt commission. DebJ Feb 2014 #194

I'm not sure the ACA is 100% to blame for rate increases. REP Feb 2014 #202

100% increase a year for a Medicare Advantage Group Plan? Autumn Feb 2014 #210

This year, yes but not every year (and this is a private Group plan thru my former asshole employer) REP Feb 2014 #213

Yeah $309 to $134 would be a hell of a relief. Autumn Feb 2014 #214

In A Few Years, We'll All Laugh About This Shitty New Health Insurance Plan BKH70041 Feb 2014 #225