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38. And the stupid alerts don't stop there

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:52 AM

Feb 2014

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Does ObamaRomneyHeritageCare cut costs to consumers over the long haul?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4479998

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"ObamaRomneyHeritageCare" is a bullshit description for the ACA, a program that has helped millions of Americans. This is nothing more than bashing from Manny. Please hide his nonsense.

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Explanation: A bullshit alert.
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Yay, ObamaRomneyCare! 23% rate increase! [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 OP

You might as well try to stop an erupting volcano with your bare hands Fumesucker Feb 2014 #1

"Have you seen what they do to natural resources?" deutsey Feb 2014 #73

Cash crop pocoloco Feb 2014 #83

Indeed Fumesucker Feb 2014 #88

+1 "Human resources" is corporate distortion of "people." nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #223

Did DU just go back in time? tridim Feb 2014 #2

Did you think that once this Health Insurance Bill went into effect people would forget their sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #78

+1000's (n/t) bread_and_roses Feb 2014 #86

+1 eom LittleGirl Feb 2014 #87

Well said, sabrina. NealK Feb 2014 #89

+1 leftstreet Feb 2014 #107

Do we have a number yet for how many BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars... bvar22 Feb 2014 #150

EXACTLY. God, that last-minute discarding of the excuse was just galling. Marr Feb 2014 #197

I will never forget it. The excuse fall apart when not one Republican voted for the bill. All I sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #205

Nice red herring and straw man you have going there. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #120

What ProSense Feb 2014 #3

Does ObamaRomneyHeritageCare cut costs to consumers over the long haul? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #8

STUDY: Average Obamacare Plans Are Cheaper Than Employer-Sponsored Ones ProSense Feb 2014 #12

And what makes them cheaper? Subsidies: MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #15

I get no subsidy and my individual plan is half the price of my employer plan. tridim Feb 2014 #18

That. Was. A. Quote. From. ProSense's. Cited. Article. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #27

I would if she was. tridim Feb 2014 #37

One of us is incapable of reading a post. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #42

Cognative Dissonance AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #76

Facts LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #155

You don't enjoy the shtick? LordGlenconner Feb 2014 #229

"That. Was. A. Quote. From. ProSense's. Cited. Article." NealK Feb 2014 #93

Bullshit leftynyc Feb 2014 #30

Take it up with ProSense MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #31

Uh - no leftynyc Feb 2014 #33

One of us has cognitive issues. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #39

. ProSense Feb 2014 #41

. NealK Feb 2014 #95

Yawn - He wasn't the one who leftynyc Feb 2014 #96

The people you cited don't need subsidies, you said so yourself. But those who do? Who is paying sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #119

That was not what this was about leftynyc Feb 2014 #141

I jumped in for the same reason you jump in. It is a discussion board. And yes, that is what sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #152

that's your repeated arguement...an article that doesn't support your rant? Sheepshank Feb 2014 #97

It is great that this is helping the wealthy. zeemike Feb 2014 #70

Sigh - friend retired leftynyc Feb 2014 #94

Well I am not babbling about people working in a law firm zeemike Feb 2014 #108

Have you ever been in a law firm? leftynyc Feb 2014 #114

Have you ever worked paycheck to paycheck? zeemike Feb 2014 #118

My wife gets no subsidy, and her ACA policy MineralMan Feb 2014 #52

My son is saving $300 a month. blue neen Feb 2014 #109

So? I am glad to pay a little more to make sure EVERYONE has Health Insurance... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #151

Our healthcare plan abelenkpe Feb 2014 #49

I have found this to be true. scorpiogirl Feb 2014 #187

It allows states to restrict rate increases. Your friend should complain to Massachusetts, pnwmom Feb 2014 #106

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #115

No it does not. former9thward Feb 2014 #122

Yes it does. They can reject increases above 10% that they decide are unjustified. 23% is above 10%. pnwmom Feb 2014 #130

No, but believe what you want. former9thward Feb 2014 #131

The states have the authority if they choose to use it. And 37 have so far. pnwmom Feb 2014 #133

That has nothing to do with the ACA. former9thward Feb 2014 #135

all 50 states have been given the authority dsc Feb 2014 #178

States don't need to be "given" that authority. former9thward Feb 2014 #183

Doctor's unions what ever they are don't set reimbursement rates. upaloopa Feb 2014 #165

Ever heard of the AMA? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #167

The AMA doesn't set reimbursement rates either upaloopa Feb 2014 #222

One of us is wrong; let's find out who, OK? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #224

And, who sets the Conversion Factor? Hoyt Feb 2014 #226

Congress. But who sets the RVUs? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #227

CMS, with input from a bunch of groups including AMA. But it doesn't matter. Hoyt Feb 2014 #228

The RVUs are basically set by the RUC MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #230

You obviously have never read CMS's comments accepting or rejecting, the opinion of the RUC. Hoyt Feb 2014 #231

Well... I believe the majority opinion is on my side, e.g... MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #232

So do I. In fact, I was one of the first to read Chao's Harvard study that led to RBRVS. Hoyt Feb 2014 #233

You're reading that from somewhere upaloopa Feb 2014 #234

I may be totally full of @$!#, but MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #235

Please give me a site of a doctor union that sets rates. upaloopa Feb 2014 #236

Is the AMA a doctor's union? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #237

No upaloopa Feb 2014 #238

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #113

Link? I found my rates decreased. B Calm Feb 2014 #4

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #5

Maybe the "Dear Leader acolytes" aren't susceptible to fact-free BS ProSense Feb 2014 #10

And maybe they are hobbit709 Feb 2014 #13

Are you accusing me of lying? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #17

No, I'm accusing you of being wrong. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #20

LOL. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #23

"My buddy sent me the letter that they got from BCBS. Pretty simple stuff." ProSense Feb 2014 #25

Rinse, lather,... MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #28

results of jury service UncleMuscles Feb 2014 #6

When "simple truth" = "disgusting attack" MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #11

And the stupid alerts don't stop there NuclearDem Feb 2014 #38

Jeez louise! MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #40

Not by me, but I wouldn't have voted to hide it, either. aquart Feb 2014 #66

"No explanation given" nxylas Feb 2014 #80

I know right! Say Thanks Obama! snooper2 Feb 2014 #125

Yes you are. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #126

22 hearts say otherwise. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #211

Our plan was canceled. The replacement plan offered was over $400 more a month, Auggie Feb 2014 #7

FUD'ers gotta FUD...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #9

Why would costs increase more than medical inflation in MA? Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #14

Why does a dog lick its private parts? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #16

It's been over in MA for some time Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #19

My understanding is that the plan did not change MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #21

Then why did MA insurance department approve such a big increase Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #26

Your "understanding"... SidDithers Feb 2014 #34

The 22% cut that Obama's hand-picked catfood commission recommended? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #36

... SidDithers Feb 2014 #48

Got me. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #54

Surely, you will prove you honored your bet ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #124

I'm sorry but this is the funniest thing I've seen all day Number23 Feb 2014 #177

Catch the exchange downnthread between me and a poster who doesn't bother to read threads...only OPs msanthrope Feb 2014 #196

... Number23 Feb 2014 #209

His "understanding"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #121

Mhm. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #22

Recced. 100% single payer fan here. Fuck for-profit. AND EVERYONE WHO FOISTS IT. nt livingwagenow Feb 2014 #24

Mass. is ranked #1 in healthcare in the entire country. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #29

True, but that's a low bar. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #35

Good point, and I'm all for single payer, I think they were JaneyVee Feb 2014 #51

Let's not forget about Vermont Springslips Feb 2014 #100

ACA represents progress, imperfect as it is. But I'll continue to advocate for Medicare for All ... Scuba Feb 2014 #32

Medicare doesn't include "dental" and "nursing homes." That's Medicaid. ProSense Feb 2014 #43

That's why I'm advocating for Medicare to cover these needs. Duh. Scuba Feb 2014 #45

+1 jsr Feb 2014 #173

The REAL point is the Healthcare System has a Fatal Pre-Existing Condition which ACA made worse Armstead Feb 2014 #44

+1000 nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #47

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #67

This is the main problem: dotymed Feb 2014 #101

Another +1000 for you. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #217

I have yet to reconcile the ACA in my mind. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #46

That's pretty much where I stand on it too. JoeyT Feb 2014 #149

That's why i wish they'd done it right Armstead Feb 2014 #218

I would feel better if they simply fought for what is right. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #219

I agree Armstead Feb 2014 #220

Lowest health care inflation on record Progressive dog Feb 2014 #50

From your post... MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #55

The 1.3% is the national average Motown_Johnny Feb 2014 #59

his buddy sent him a letter arely staircase Feb 2014 #127

I have a buddy like that. He'll send me a letter saying MineralMan Feb 2014 #140

So if I send him a letter... Motown_Johnny Feb 2014 #168

absolutely not arely staircase Feb 2014 #170

Damn Reality and it's Liberal Bias. Motown_Johnny Feb 2014 #172

I think it's probably an average Progressive dog Feb 2014 #61

During the worst recession since the Great Depression. Coincedence???? Romulox Feb 2014 #65

Healthcare inflation drops in 2010, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #72

Don't forget the backdrop of Obamacare's rollout. There may be manipulation of healthcare Romulox Feb 2014 #74

Of course there could Progressive dog Feb 2014 #98

"Delayed: Obamacare’s employer mandate for small businesses" Romulox Feb 2014 #138

If the evidence all points to Obamacare Progressive dog Feb 2014 #139

Before ACA health care costs were going up year after year. To me B Calm Feb 2014 #53

My hope is that the ACA bankrupts many health insurance companies. Laelth Feb 2014 #56

Bailout is in the works if they take any kind of hit. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #136

FUDers gonna FUD... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #57

"FUDers gonna FUD" Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #68

I've never posted in nor read posts from BOG. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #71

And the influx continues... woo me with science Feb 2014 #190

You caught me... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #208

Obsessed. Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #112

BBI was so much better at it than Manny... dionysus Feb 2014 #159

You better believe it! :) n/t Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #162

The beauty of ignore albino65 Feb 2014 #58

Same coverage? Have you compared the two policies, Manny? MineralMan Feb 2014 #60

You do know your friend can shop for a better priced plan... randome Feb 2014 #62

Remarkable how similar the OP is ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #128

k&r Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #63

But Health Insurers are *OUR* heartless corporate money siphons. They are the *good* corporations, Romulox Feb 2014 #64

thread is trash, ergo trash thread nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #69

I love people who post in a thread to announce they are trashing it Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #77

This. IS. Bullshit. Whisp Feb 2014 #75

"We the People" can not afford Wallstreet Healthcare masquerading as the ACA. democratisphere Feb 2014 #79

Reminds me ProSense Feb 2014 #81

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2014 #82

If the data in the OP were correct, then it really would be "Bullshit" scheming daemons Feb 2014 #84

Anecdotes make discussion boards run Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #91

Why is Obama being ProSense Feb 2014 #85

Maybe the mandate's postponed because... they're seeing shocking premium increases? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #90

What You Need to Know about the Small Business Health Care Tax Credit ProSense Feb 2014 #92

Political expedience would be my guess. n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #103

Yup. n/t progressoid Feb 2014 #148

Isn't Massachusetts and Connecticut home to these profitable Insurance companies? adirondacker Feb 2014 #99

yeah manny still 100 percent anti obama! arely staircase Feb 2014 #102

Maybe we should repeal it!!!! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #104

They're LIARS. Obamacare set up exchanges for individuals and small businesses WITHOUT insurance. pnwmom Feb 2014 #105

Rec'd, except we aren't stupid, we're a corrupt country Corruption Inc Feb 2014 #110

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #111

If you and another DUer (who shall remain unnamed) were to conceive a child ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #116

Awesome... SidDithers Feb 2014 #132

Spill it! Who's the unnamed DUer?? Number23 Feb 2014 #180

What do you expect when single-payer advocates were escorted out of the proceedings? Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #117

I'm a MA employer Scott6113 Feb 2014 #123

Manny ... sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #129

Can we see your data? Also, are you saying there were never 23% increases prior to Obamacare? CreekDog Feb 2014 #134

your post is offensive and over the top Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #137

So we're on our way to single-payer, Medicare for All??? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #144

We are not stupid. We are fighting this tooth and nail. Next stop: Vermont Single Payer. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #142

Here, ProSense Feb 2014 #146

Yes, it's a long journey! Are you for single-payer / Medicare for All? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #147

Sanders along with Democrats from a few key States fought hard to built that provision Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #161

Wait till all these satisfied customers need to use their plans BrotherIvan Feb 2014 #143

Cartoon: Blaming Obamacare ProSense Feb 2014 #145

Are you for single-payer / Medicare for All? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #156

"We" Are Stupid? arely staircase Feb 2014 #153

I've heard some tall tales about the ACA but that one should win an award! Rex Feb 2014 #158

his buddy sent him a letter arely staircase Feb 2014 #160

you Better Believe It Manny! nt dionysus Feb 2014 #154

for the safety of your kitten nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #166

Yup... Paolo123 Feb 2014 #157

+23% solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #163

The willfully blind will attack you, but it won't change the reality. Skip Intro Feb 2014 #164

You have no faith Manny. You just can't see that everything Obama does, Autumn Feb 2014 #169

Kindly post said letter. Your buddy sent it to you, right? Please post. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #171

That shit never gets old Autumn Feb 2014 #174

Really?... SidDithers Feb 2014 #181

Really?... Is that in the OP? Autumn Feb 2014 #184

Did misanthrope claim it was in the OP?... SidDithers Feb 2014 #186

No misanthrope posted to the OP asking "Your buddy sent it to you, right?" Autumn Feb 2014 #188

Look...I can't be responsible if you refuse to read threads, and get confused msanthrope Feb 2014 #195

Like I said, I ask a question I ask it to the post where it's mentioned. Autumn Feb 2014 #199

... Rex Feb 2014 #201

Rex... back atcha Autumn Feb 2014 #204

Your teachers never taught you to hold your questions to the end? One of the more tiresome msanthrope Feb 2014 #216

Keep digging... SidDithers Feb 2014 #206

No, Sid. You just keep trying. Autumn Feb 2014 #207

He's rolling.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #193

Manny's OP??? Oh dear, did you only read the OP, and not the thread?? msanthrope Feb 2014 #192

Is it required to read the whole thread???? Autumn Feb 2014 #203

Oh no honey...you just keep being what you are, it's quite amusing. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #212

Oh you are so sweet I promise to never change Autumn Feb 2014 #215

My Buddy Al Has 'Obamacare' ProSense Feb 2014 #175

We certainly needed that Public Option. It was essential. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #176

Basic costs of Massachusetts health plans show small increases as Obamacare goes into effect ProSense Feb 2014 #179

But Manny Manny Manny! These programs are truedelphi Feb 2014 #182

Huge K&R. It was a corporate scam from the start. woo me with science Feb 2014 #185

Do you remember the video where he called it "insurance finace reform?" Autumn Feb 2014 #189

+1 I do remember that wording. woo me with science Feb 2014 #198

I only saw it the day he had a news conference on their agreement to pass it. Autumn Feb 2014 #200

Right on Woo! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #221

Everybody I know who's salary is low, myself included .... OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #191

Insurance rates usually have to be approved by a state govt commission. DebJ Feb 2014 #194

I'm not sure the ACA is 100% to blame for rate increases. REP Feb 2014 #202

100% increase a year for a Medicare Advantage Group Plan? Autumn Feb 2014 #210

This year, yes but not every year (and this is a private Group plan thru my former asshole employer) REP Feb 2014 #213

Yeah $309 to $134 would be a hell of a relief. Autumn Feb 2014 #214

In A Few Years, We'll All Laugh About This Shitty New Health Insurance Plan BKH70041 Feb 2014 #225