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In reply to the discussion: We Shouldn't Reward Teachers ... [View all]cyberswede
(26,117 posts)71. Do you mean the first article?
As I said - that was a quick Google search, and I only looked at the chart to get a general figure for the top 20%. Regardless, there's no way in this universe that teachers are in the top 20% of wage earners in the U.S.
As for the notion of hours worked, here:
MYTH: The school day is only six or seven hours, so it's only fair that teachers make less than "full-time" professionals.
FACT: Other professionals hardly have the monopoly on the long workday, and many studies conclude that teachers work as long or longer than the typical 40-hour workweek.
- Six or seven hours is the "contracted" workday, but unlike in other professions, the expectation for teachers is that much required work will take place at home, at night and on weekends. For teachers, the day isn't over when the dismissal bell rings.
- Teachers spend an average of 50 hours per week on instructional duties, including an average of 12 hours each week on non-compensated school-related activities such as grading papers, bus duty, and club advising.
- When the Center for Teaching Quality studied teachers' workdays in Clark County, NV, it found that not only did most teachers work additional hours outside of the school day, but that "Very little of this time is spent working directly with students in activities such as tutoring or coaching; far more time is reported on preparation, grading papers, parent conferences, and attending meetings."
MYTH: Teachers have summers off.
FACT: Students have summers off. Teachers spend summers working second jobs, teaching summer school, and taking classes for certification renewal or to advance their careers.
- Most full-time employees in the private sector receive training on company time at company expense, while many teachers spend the eight weeks of summer break earning college hours, at their own expense.
- School begins in late August or early September, but teachers are back before the start of school and are busy stocking supplies, setting up their classrooms, and preparing for the year's curriculum.
http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm
FACT: Other professionals hardly have the monopoly on the long workday, and many studies conclude that teachers work as long or longer than the typical 40-hour workweek.
- Six or seven hours is the "contracted" workday, but unlike in other professions, the expectation for teachers is that much required work will take place at home, at night and on weekends. For teachers, the day isn't over when the dismissal bell rings.
- Teachers spend an average of 50 hours per week on instructional duties, including an average of 12 hours each week on non-compensated school-related activities such as grading papers, bus duty, and club advising.
- When the Center for Teaching Quality studied teachers' workdays in Clark County, NV, it found that not only did most teachers work additional hours outside of the school day, but that "Very little of this time is spent working directly with students in activities such as tutoring or coaching; far more time is reported on preparation, grading papers, parent conferences, and attending meetings."
MYTH: Teachers have summers off.
FACT: Students have summers off. Teachers spend summers working second jobs, teaching summer school, and taking classes for certification renewal or to advance their careers.
- Most full-time employees in the private sector receive training on company time at company expense, while many teachers spend the eight weeks of summer break earning college hours, at their own expense.
- School begins in late August or early September, but teachers are back before the start of school and are busy stocking supplies, setting up their classrooms, and preparing for the year's curriculum.
http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm
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Health insurance, sick days, vacation, pensions, unions, tenure, months off ever year...
Demo_Chris
Feb 2014
#99
I do NOT like the race to the bottom, and teachers are not even in the race...
Demo_Chris
Feb 2014
#112
The total hours that we actually work brings us lower than minimum wage
Rosa Luxemburg
Feb 2014
#144
People do not understand that for every hour spent in the classroom with students,
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#67
The closer you get to a teacher the more respect you probably will give them But
kmlisle
Feb 2014
#60
If that rule were applied to a lot of parents, the parents would be forced into starvation.
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#68
In LA most teachers have graduate degrees, but they are not paid nearly as well as other
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#63
Yes! It's not the fault of teachers that other professions aren't unionized.
cyberswede
Feb 2014
#123
This is such an important point. And, teachers a losing much that they had
Dark n Stormy Knight
Feb 2014
#152
and You are welcome on behalf of my brother and his wife who are both teachers
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#8
You have missed the point. I am not saying that there is no way to judge a teacher by
Squinch
Feb 2014
#134
Well, personally I've never dealt with a merit pay model as simplistic as you describe
Recursion
Feb 2014
#141
See my reply to your other post. It's not easy to fix it when those who are in a position
Squinch
Feb 2014
#146
No one can define "parenting well" either. Good parents have bad kids, and vice versa.
haele
Feb 2014
#87
The issue I have is that due to budgeting, the administrations almost always use student performance
haele
Feb 2014
#121
I am so glad nothing anyone says to you online upsets you the slightest.
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#36
So... the "boring" teachers will do what, exactly, to get their hands on that "reward"?
Smarmie Doofus
Feb 2014
#59
Looks to me like about 1/2 of Jackson's schools were considered to be performing badly
Squinch
Feb 2014
#91
It isn't that you can't come up with a way to do that, it's that the people who never set foot in a
Squinch
Feb 2014
#137
Teachers and teachers unions are not in a position to fix it. There are literally billions
Squinch
Feb 2014
#145