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NuclearDem

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187. Apples and oranges.

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:44 PM

Feb 2014

One is the support of a certain policy. In the case of a democracy, that's how laws are supposed to be written and passed.

The other is a matter of fact and accuracy. There are specific laws of physics and specific events that happen at certain times. There are right answers and wrong answers. Overwhelming support for the wrong answer doesn't make it the right answer.

If someone makes a claim like "the sun did not come up today", that can be checked and verified. No matter how many people are convinced through that first person's arguments, it is wrong, and subsequently, those people are wrong.

Now, if they wanted to pass the "Sun Didn't Come Up Today Act of 2014" and got overwhelming support, there's nothing wrong with that.

Science is not a democracy.

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... SidDithers Feb 2014 #198

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Are you a true believer? SecularMotion Feb 2014 #76

Da fuq? Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #77

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True believer is a phrase reserved for religious bullshit... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #80

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Yes or No SecularMotion Feb 2014 #127

That's not a yes or no question. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #128

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Were you not trolling me? Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #138

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Look, man... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #151

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Do you support tinkerbell? X_Digger Feb 2014 #186

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I admire that quality... dorkzilla Feb 2014 #209

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You mean like this? Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #73

I can't make out a plane. You sure that's B Calm Feb 2014 #91

lol cbdo2007 Feb 2014 #92

You got a still picture of it just before it hits? B Calm Feb 2014 #93

It's traveling at 500MPH Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #99

Lear Jet? B Calm Feb 2014 #117

Boeing 757. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #121

You realize that there were hundreds of people that saw the crash? hack89 Feb 2014 #135

no there are not! eom. wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #142

So what did all those people see? nt hack89 Feb 2014 #144

please link us to those "hundreds". wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #147

This takes me back to the good old days hack89 Feb 2014 #150

so you can't? thought as much. n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #152

Just posted them. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #154

Here you go hack89 Feb 2014 #153

the first one..." Air Force Lt. Col. Marc Abshire, 40..." nope! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #158

What about all the people that describe an airliner hitting the Pentagon? hack89 Feb 2014 #159

Iam not ignoring, I was going to count because you said hundreds. wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #161

ok nt hack89 Feb 2014 #163

and I don't believe you should count the same persons listed several times. nt wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #162

If you can't see the plane in that video, I recommend seeing an ophthalmologist immediately. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #180

how about this..if you're using a computer with mspaint... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #188

Believe it or not (you probably won't) people did this years ago... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #190

yes that same video is in the new video.... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #196

The entire aircraft is shown in the second video. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #197

you see a plane here? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #200

Yes. The nose of the plane is well lit, appearing lighter. The blue stripe follows aft. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #208

not particularly crisp? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #212

Check your colors. Your drawing of the tail is not accurate. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #214

the dunning kruger is strong but... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #221

The video says there is no plane on the security footage. There clearly is one. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #222

"I'm not here to have my mind changed on the subject." wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #224

I wish for the day that the federal government releases all the videos. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #225

Maybe there was a plane but many say there was not.... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #228

Take my advice. Read the link I posted before posting anything else. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #229

More goddamn PRATT. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #240

blah blah blah wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #243

That's about the level of reply I expected from you. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #245

nobody gives two fucks what you expect... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #246

Because that's all truther trolls deserve at this point. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #248

so you have to resort to name calling huh! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #249

Just calling you folks for what you are. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #250

obviously lots of things you have no idea for! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #251

Coming from someone who believes in false flag ops NuclearDem Feb 2014 #253

you're saying FFOs don't happen? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #254

No, just your idea of them. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #257

fine then. You think it so must be true. wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #258

Nothing to suggest it was carried out by anything other than al-Qaeda. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #259

right... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #261

The US government did not carry out the 9/11 attacks. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #262

never said... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #263

You called it a false flag, and then say you don't believe it was carried out by the government? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #265

I believe it was FFO in that the ... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #267

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The NIST simulated the fires and collapses and explains them in their reports. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #305

wrong! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #306

Have you read the report? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #309

"the report" wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #310

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conservation of momentum! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #323

You are literally repeating a term without defining its relation to the NIST report. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #326

I gave you a link! study it! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #328

I counter your elementary understanding of energy and movement... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #330

you are a prize indeed! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #332

You know, there's another interesting aspect to cascade failure that's relevant. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #333

might you show me... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #334

Fukushima is another example of a cascade failure. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #335

wow wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #336

I take the time to explain important, relevant information... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #337

yes... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #324

not what i asked for questionseverything Feb 2014 #318

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we get that you think the computer model is accurate questionseverything Feb 2014 #322

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yes as much as eating food does! nt wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #194

"Smirk. Thanks for the obfuscationary snarkage, Harv. Tee hee. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R) Berlum Feb 2014 #68

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This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Feb 2014 #71

Makes as much sense as the Barbara Olson's impossible phone call. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #74

The video: "September 11--The New Pearl Harbor" proves the call wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #191

That's because Barbara Olson is still alive!!! zappaman Feb 2014 #193

Try this site: WinkyDink Feb 2014 #272

And Teddy's details changed over time. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #271

Goddamn lizard nen sakabatou Feb 2014 #90

Bat Boy? Is that you? lapislzi Feb 2014 #94

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It showed a plane hitting the Pentagon hack89 Feb 2014 #100

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no one can focus that long? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #179

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nonsense! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #145

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narwhals! fuck yeah! mike_c Feb 2014 #164

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[Citation Needed] NuclearDem Feb 2014 #203

Here. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #227

Just because we don't know does not mean it exists. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #230

Historical example: Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #270

Totally irrelevant example. We found out about the atomic bomb the day they dropped. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #274

Remember the B-1 bomber? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #277

A stealth bomber flying out over the desert... NuclearDem Feb 2014 #281

You missed the point. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #292

Why? Because this isn't a James Bond film. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #294

Robots. People who love Big Brother and know the government never lies. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #298

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"I see the NIST reports as the culmination of in depth analysis by skilled experts." Do you now? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #307

I do know. Although you're all wrong. Even that video is wrong. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #308

you mean like this? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #311

I refute your minimal evidence with a semi-thorough analysis. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #319

and there's this... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #313

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I wish I knew who gave me a star MFM008 Feb 2014 #192

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By NIST? solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #231

Incoherent, moronic babble. That's what that video constitutes. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #232

actually that video's fairly accurate! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #234

Finally did? It's in their report. The building fell for several seconds at free fall. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #235

That's bullshit! watch the videos ... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #236

That doesn't jive with the NIST report. Collapse took 40% longer than total free fall. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #237

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the authoritarianism is strong with that group IMHOOC. n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #255

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Good. Winnow out the chaff. johnnyreb Feb 2014 #238

not going to happen IMO wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #244

and George W Bush won the election, right? B Calm Feb 2014 #268

Nader stole it for him reddread Feb 2014 #279

Is that your tin foil hat talking? B Calm Feb 2014 #315

might be reddread Feb 2014 #316

The Supreme Court gave him the presidency for Christmas Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2014 #329

Bush and Cheney were asleep at the wheel Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2014 #327

+1 BitSin Feb 2014 #331