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35. that's the way many Democrats see it though

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:45 PM

Feb 2014

they/we just got done re-electing Obama by a fairly large margin.

I, myself, was on the ballot with Obama, running for a county office. Obama got more votes in the county than I did.

The average Democratic voter is simply not informed well enough to be angry with Obama. Nor is the average Democratic voter informed well enough to be repulsed by Hillary. She has something like 90% approval among Democrats. And from experience, it seems to me that there is very little that those of us in the 10% can say to those in the 90% that will flip them to the other side.

I could put together my best attempt at a "Why I oppose Hillary" essay and even on DU, it would only resonate with the choir. Hillary supporters would just chime in to tell me how much I suck.

It reminds me of the Bush years. We used to wonder "What does Bush have to do to get people to stop supporting him?" That I would look at him and clearly see Medusa and they would look at him and only see Adonis.

It's mind-boggling and dis-heartening. Even on Valentine's Day. It's dis-heartening.

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Look... The Problem With Hillary Is, That We Will Get 8 More Years Of Obama/Status Quo... [View all] WillyT Feb 2014 OP

My dear WillyT! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2014 #1

My Dear Peggy... WillyT Feb 2014 #29

So true! JDPriestly Feb 2014 #120

and "another choice" risks getting us another George W. Bush.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #57

The specter of a republican president used to be so scary whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #92

How soooon they forget! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #94

You just laid out the strategy of the PTB and champions of the status quo. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #138

horse hockey. first of all she doesn't come with an "unbeatable" guarantee cali Feb 2014 #146

ditto. how can we come from FDR to this? roguevalley Feb 2014 #101

that kinda presumes the makeup of congress won't change unblock Feb 2014 #2

I have to agree with you. reusrename Feb 2014 #49

We vote for the Democrat. Even if it takes a clothes pin to do it. Autumn Feb 2014 #3

I would love 8 more years of Obama. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #4

Glad You're Doing Alright... WillyT Feb 2014 #7

Republican Congress is the problem. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #10

Exactly. nt cstanleytech Feb 2014 #87

that's the way many Democrats see it though hfojvt Feb 2014 #35

Yeah... It's A Bit Like Putting The Dog Out At Night To Do Its Business... WillyT Feb 2014 #36

Do you hear what you are saying? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #51

No no...it's Clinton's fault the economy crashed and it's Obamas fault this person uponit7771 Feb 2014 #67

uhm, I never said it was Obama's fault hfojvt Feb 2014 #113

the electorate rejected me hfojvt Feb 2014 #110

With all due respect ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #114

I always loved that phrase hfojvt Feb 2014 #128

me too. it's fashionable here to hate on dems. it's like a little contest to see who can do it best. dionysus Feb 2014 #8

So What About The Homeless... The Vets Committing Suicide... The Billionaires Decrying Class Warfare... WillyT Feb 2014 #19

So what about all that over the last 30 years? nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #28

I'm Sorry... Not Sure I Get What You're Saying... WillyT Feb 2014 #102

Apparently we were expected to shut up and smile. progressoid Feb 2014 #119

Looks pretty obvious to me... ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #122

So... Why Didn't Democratic President Obama, Put These Obviously Democratic Concerns... WillyT Feb 2014 #127

To say nothing of an out-of-control NSA. That would get worse under a Hillary administration. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #123

yup, and that's all it is, all about getting their recs and being popular on the internet JI7 Feb 2014 #22

that's certainly not what it is for me hfojvt Feb 2014 #41

"let's compare heart count here" L0oniX Feb 2014 #98

Damn... Ya Got Me... It's All About The Recs... WillyT Feb 2014 #82

It is just a big game of "I'm more liberal than you" FSogol Feb 2014 #37

It's fashionable here to cheer for drone murder, corporate health insurance, TPP, Doctor_J Feb 2014 #62

Nobody cheers for that treestar Feb 2014 #68

What does "I love it when I wake up and Obama is president" mean then? Doctor_J Feb 2014 #71

Don't forget the content-less snark! villager Feb 2014 #89

+1 and I think, if a lot more jaysunb Feb 2014 #16

Yes - MICHELLE Obama. Marie Marie Feb 2014 #61

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2014 #65

Me too. ucrdem Feb 2014 #131

She's the ultimate test of Nose Holding capabilities. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #5

Hillary would be, and would have been (much) better than Obama. IMO quinnox Feb 2014 #6

I agree with you on all points. Autumn Feb 2014 #9

Heh, we seem to be on the same wavelength because quinnox Feb 2014 #13

I think so. Biden is the VP, he runs Obama is going to back Biden. Autumn Feb 2014 #17

Good point. I have warmed up to Biden quinnox Feb 2014 #20

Hillary will steamroller Biden hack89 Feb 2014 #73

true, but I think the scenario was if Hillary doesn't run quinnox Feb 2014 #83

Not true. Sorry. Obama will not "back" any primary candidate. MADem Feb 2014 #133

Obama sucks ProSense Feb 2014 #15

. ProSense Feb 2014 #14

This guy seems to love Hillary FSogol Feb 2014 #39

I do love Hillary, but I'm not sure if its the "right move" for her to run again quinnox Feb 2014 #47

With this Congress, including the blue dogs in 2000, I doubt it. As long as Hillary is in good lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #86

Hillary has earned her stripes hobie Feb 2014 #135

The only way she would not end up that way is if both houses are controlled by Democrats. jwirr Feb 2014 #11

That wouldn't help - see the 2009-2010 Obama Doctor_J Feb 2014 #66

Control would have to mean having the 60+ majority in the Senate and a real majority in the House. jwirr Feb 2014 #147

Well then we're doomed Doctor_J Feb 2014 #149

Agreed. But I will still vote and work to send the best we have from MN. Fortunately bachmann is jwirr Feb 2014 #150

and as we've seen, even that would not be enough treestar Feb 2014 #70

I would suggest that you vote for someone more to your liking in the primary. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #12

Pretty Sure I Said That In The OP... WillyT Feb 2014 #107

Don't worry, we'll get better candidates in the Primaries. harun Feb 2014 #18

And if Biden could convince Warren to be his running mate Drew Richards Feb 2014 #21

Good job, Will. You just sold Hillary to me. Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #23

Anytime DI... Anytme... WillyT Feb 2014 #31

fall in love during the primary, fall in line during the general geek tragedy Feb 2014 #24

Hillary will run. Hillary can win. Hillary will win. democratisphere Feb 2014 #25

We need to own the discussion PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #26

+1000 RC Feb 2014 #85

+ 10,000 cantbeserious Feb 2014 #27

But it won't be mere *status quo.* Corporatists are DESTROYING this country. woo me with science Feb 2014 #30

Yep... It Will Get Worse... With The Monied Democrats Leading The Way... WillyT Feb 2014 #32

The Democrats' job is to keep all of us "Extreme Leftists" quiet long enough Maedhros Feb 2014 #45

That's What I Fear... WillyT Feb 2014 #105

"codifying" would be the operative word there. n/t BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #144

Obama is worse than the "*status quo.*" ProSense Feb 2014 #33

The Status Quo Would Not Support Either Of Those, But... WillyT Feb 2014 #40

yes, the corporatists are destroying this country. And it's pathetic that the Third Way sycophants antigop Feb 2014 #96

+1 a whole bunch. Well said, woo me with science! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #139

I see little evidence that either Obama or Hillary wouldn't be as liberal as we let them Johonny Feb 2014 #34

Exactly. Winning in 2014 is most important for having liberal/progressive agendas FSogol Feb 2014 #43

Could You Please Comment On This Then ??? WillyT Feb 2014 #76

There are malcontents around besides the ones on this board? FSogol Feb 2014 #141

Alex Sink is a failed candidate, but Sink is not the only 'Moderate Centrist' to pause from Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #143

If Republicans control Congress, they control the agenda. Period. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #78

Obama has been like 5 more zentrum Feb 2014 #38

What to do? For now... focus on 2014! (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2014 #42

precisely! thank you. n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #44

I support Hillary but have no issue with a primary. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #46

And I wish they'd get rid of primaries dflprincess Feb 2014 #60

Caucuses means less people participate. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #88

That's their choice, the caucuses are open to everyone. dflprincess Feb 2014 #95

I disagree. primaries allow people to vote throught the day. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #99

Caucuses are the closest thing we have to town meetings dflprincess Feb 2014 #109

You make interesting points but for some they might not be able to make caucus time. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #111

Having been involved in both Democratic caucuses and primaries, I feel you are completely wrong. FSogol Feb 2014 #142

What to do, what to do... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #48

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #55

"What to do, what to do... " Martin Eden Feb 2014 #50

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #58

Good Enough ... Martin Eden Feb 2014 #140

No more Dynastic Presidencies bl968 Feb 2014 #52

YES, Sotomeyor and Kagan lobodons Feb 2014 #53

+1 you betcha Hekate Feb 2014 #129

In comparison to getting another George W Bush? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #54

We can't create the candidate we want Shankapotomus Feb 2014 #56

Instead of all these anti-Hillary posts, why not suggest viable candidates ecstatic Feb 2014 #59

Most dems don't hate Obama uponit7771 Feb 2014 #63

And I Don't Either... In Many Ways I Think He Was Restricted In His Responses To Our Problems... WillyT Feb 2014 #93

Won't it depend on the Congresses? treestar Feb 2014 #64

No. We had in 2009-2010 60 (D) Senators and 259 (D) House members, and still Doctor_J Feb 2014 #69

We had 60 for all of about 60 days in 2009. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #153

Exactly! Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #159

Then Reid, with the president's backing, should have gonged the filibuster after the third one Doctor_J Feb 2014 #164

Huh Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #158

Hillary is a smart, accomplished and amazing woman. Marie Marie Feb 2014 #72

I love Biden. He's a good man, in the true sense of "good" nt fadedrose Feb 2014 #75

Peggy & Willie, be patient fadedrose Feb 2014 #74

I like the way you put that, fadedrose Hekate Feb 2014 #130

Good Council fadedrose... But I'm Not Attacking The Party... I'm... WillyT Feb 2014 #163

It is too soon fadedrose Feb 2014 #165

I know, the third way rut. Phlem Feb 2014 #77

Wall Street will ensure... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #79

So who do you suggest, and it should be someone who might actually run? lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #80

Elizabeth Warren N/T Pharaoh Feb 2014 #81

well, the fear of rightwingnuttery dripping off your post stupidicus Feb 2014 #84

the differences are there to get you to vote for the similarities! MisterP Feb 2014 #126

exactly stupidicus Feb 2014 #145

Works for me, if we can get a better Congress for her to work with. Hekate Feb 2014 #90

Check This Out... WillyT Feb 2014 #104

Unfortunately, the nomination is hers for the taking. idendoit Feb 2014 #91

Hillary isn't going to move to the left - not a chance. delrem Feb 2014 #97

Could be a lot worse. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #100

What to do? zeemike Feb 2014 #103

He hasn't governed from the center right. And this TeaLeft purist attitude is not reality. RBInMaine Feb 2014 #106

Let Me Introduce You To The Democratic President That Served FOUR Terms... WillyT Feb 2014 #116

...and if you had been living in those times, you would have HATED him ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #124

What to do? Consider the clown car or at least the getaway car of the GOP field. gordianot Feb 2014 #108

We don't know what the primary landscape will look like. IAmKirak Feb 2014 #112

Ya awful eager to moan, if ya lookin three years ahead to moan about whoever wins 2016 struggle4progress Feb 2014 #115

Why does everyone have to find a "PROBLEM"? George II Feb 2014 #117

Because There Are Vets Of The Iraq/Afghanistan Wars Sleeping In The Streets... WillyT Feb 2014 #121

Billary/Warren 2016 CFLDem Feb 2014 #118

I am tired of annointed aristocrats kwolf68 Feb 2014 #125

I will never support anyone who voted for Bush's war. Period. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #132

So in 2004 you did not vote for John Kerry, right? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #156

My conscience is clear, thank you for asking. n/t sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #161

Hillary isn't Bill OR Obama, and she really likes problem solving, Lucinda Feb 2014 #134

The Problem with Hillary - Former Goldwater Girl wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #136

OMG.. she turned in her college years. Elizabeth Warren was a Republican well into her 40s OKNancy Feb 2014 #151

So it was Youthful Indiscretion then, OK What about her working for 6 years for WalMart as an adult? wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #166

Please, no Hillary. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #137

There's a response to this thread Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #148

The problem is some think Hillary is not a liberal OKNancy Feb 2014 #152

Cool!! BKH70041 Feb 2014 #154

Look, the President ProSense Feb 2014 #155

The biggest problem that Obama has had to deal with Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #157

Least Harm colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #160

Willy T...Tumultuous Times between Now and Then........ KoKo Feb 2014 #162