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In reply to the discussion: Did you hear Crystal Ball's rant on the Cycle asking Hillary not to run? [View all]

Bjorn Against

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305. Politics is not math so no I don't use algorithms to form my opinion
Reply to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #300)
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:26 PM
Feb 2014

And quite frankly I think it is stupid to use a mathematical algorithm to form your opinion on where a candidate stands on the issues. Not all issues are created equally but the graph you use treats them all equally, I give the issues weight according to what I feel is important. It is not math, it does not use any algorithms, but it is a lot more meaningful to me than any graph you can throw in my face. It may not be meaningful to anyone else, but that is OK because it is my opinion and my opinion consists of a lot more than "SEE THE RED DOT!!! SEE THE DOT!!! YOU CAN'T DENY THE DOT!!!". It is my personal opinion and I don't feel the need to prove my opinion correct, but I sure as hell won't let anyone tell me I am not allowed to disagree with them on something as subjective as where a candidate falls on the political spectrum.

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Did you hear Crystal Ball's rant on the Cycle asking Hillary not to run? [View all] mfcorey1 Feb 2014 OP
k & fuckin r! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #1
Strongly agree! HERVEPA Feb 2014 #2
times 8 trillion roguevalley Feb 2014 #120
At least 20 times 8 trillion fadedrose Feb 2014 #138
As I recall, Obama's campaign made themselves look like they were primarilyl JDPriestly Feb 2014 #490
Same here. PFunk Feb 2014 #256
Krystal knows Hillary works for corporate America just like the president. JRLeft Feb 2014 #3
Warren encouraged Hillary to run The The Feb 2014 #22
Hillary will win and you and I will continue to lose as corporations are given more power. JRLeft Feb 2014 #27
Unless of course the truth be told that Hillary Clinton is to the Left of President Obama... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #32
Based on what evidence? Both Hillary and Obama are corporatists. JRLeft Feb 2014 #37
Here you go.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #97
I'm not getting that graph. Which does the red dot represent? Social or economic issues? n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #101
Left and right.....Left is Left...Liberal... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #105
I get the left and right, that's obvious. I asked what the red dot represents. I can't figure out cui bono Feb 2014 #112
Its the sum of ALL the issues.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #113
It may be accurate for Paul, but it most definitely is not for Obama and Clinton. cui bono Feb 2014 #117
Yes it is.....denial is not a river in Egypt and Americans are not as "lefty" as those on DU... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #119
No it's not. What is so left about TPP, cutting SS, spying on American citizens, drone strikes cui bono Feb 2014 #121
Like I say....that is a myopic view.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #126
What makes the graph correct? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #129
He is NOT....they have him as a Conservative leaning Libertarian.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #130
I am not talking about my view, I am talking about the view of the person who made that graph Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #135
Yes I do.....actually... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #137
He has some batshit crazy positions as well Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #143
Yes he does....but not as batshit as some....sorry... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #147
How is the top/bottom range calculated? This isn't the traditional measurement for these graphs cascadiance Feb 2014 #386
It is the same graph whopis01 Feb 2014 #431
It is NOT the same graph! Where is the point in the repeated graph where one end is AUTHORITARIAN cascadiance Feb 2014 #501
Ah - but they are the same. You just have to recognize whopis01 Feb 2014 #515
A populist-liberal whose financial support comes from Goldman Sachs and Walmart? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #336
No because we don't have campaign finance reform.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #423
Bill Clinton's presidency was a feast for the financial sector. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #454
AND Bill Clinton is... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #456
No it is not. I did NOT "base it on ONE issue...or even a couple issues. cui bono Feb 2014 #133
there are more than issues than those that makes a person "left" sorry.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #134
Why can't you just answer the question? Why can't you provide a list of left things he has done? cui bono Feb 2014 #136
Okay... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #139
Oh lord.... cui bono Feb 2014 #145
and I am answering without anecdotal evidence... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #150
As was I. So nothing from you then that you know of that is left for Obama? cui bono Feb 2014 #161
No you are not using FACTS....you are using YOUR opinion...there IS a difference. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #166
How is Obama pushing for TPP my opinion? Keep reaching... cui bono Feb 2014 #167
TPP is not the ONLY issue is it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #203
Why don't you ever answer my questions? cui bono Feb 2014 #345
I love that graphic, but CrispyQ Feb 2014 #376
That chart would absurdly suggest Rand Paul is closer to a moderate than Hillary is Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #125
No he isn't VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #128
Then why does the graph put Rand Paul closer to the center than it does Hillary? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #132
because perhaps he DOES have a moderate position or two... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #140
But having a moderate position or two does not make him a moderate Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #148
He is not a moderate....he is a Conservative leaning Libertarian... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #151
Well the graph does not show him as being very far to the right Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #156
Yes it does for a Libertarian...which he is... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #158
And the north and south positions make the graph even more meaningless Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #170
Okay....who do you think this Moderate is...? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #154
Why does it matter? I think this chart is totally meaningless no matter who it represents Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #159
NO it isn't....you just don't agree...you use anectdotal evidence... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #160
No. Quotes and speeches are not facts when it comes to representing a politician's stance. cui bono Feb 2014 #174
Its not JUST speeches...its VOTES! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #175
I KNOW! You do understand that when they use speeches in addition to votes it skews things, cui bono Feb 2014 #176
NO I don't that's politics...... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #181
If they think that you should consider a politician's empty promises when determining where they cui bono Feb 2014 #186
that is not ALL they are using...they are using actual VOTES.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #189
What are my measurements? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #178
I have no idea what yours are....go take the test...its available there... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #205
Holy crap looking at those questions makes the chart look even more stupid Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #213
Only stupid to someone that denies Political Science is real science.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #226
Where did I deny that political science was a real science? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #229
How else would you describe doing this (if not political "science")? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #231
I have obtained information from all of those things as well Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #238
Please provide a link to that then... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #239
Are you asking for a link to my opinion? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #241
You "opinion" is not what I am interested in... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #252
My god...look at how much work went into that NON-PROFIT site! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #240
If you actually read through their entire website quakerboy Feb 2014 #510
Well said. A post after my own heart. cui bono Feb 2014 #523
There is NO place for authoritarianism in this graph, that older graphs measured. cascadiance Feb 2014 #391
there are no Anarchists on that graph either....so your VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #399
And THAT is why your graph is meaningless, especially the top and bottom "measurement"... cascadiance Feb 2014 #402
A post after my own heart. cui bono Feb 2014 #522
You just said to me that one or two positions does not make the case. cui bono Feb 2014 #173
NO they don't but ALL of the evidence wieghed together does.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #191
It moves the needle the needle a tick or two...doesn't change the fact that he is a VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #192
Turn the graph 45 degrees clockwise whopis01 Feb 2014 #365
No I won't...THAT graph is Bill Clinton!!!! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #395
You have proof? Why haven't you shown it then? cui bono Feb 2014 #403
thats what I HAVE been doing with my graphs... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #404
Graphs that have no validity in what they attempt to show. cui bono Feb 2014 #410
what part of VOTING RECORDS do you NOT understand? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #412
That's not all they use. You are being purposely ingenuous or you are incredibly stupid. cui bono Feb 2014 #414
YES all they use....quotes hold up in a court of law as direct EVIDENCE! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #419
You've lost the plot. cui bono Feb 2014 #421
NO I havent....you are trying to prove some bullshit about quotes not being FACTS VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #422
Okay, so you don't understand this at all I see. cui bono Feb 2014 #427
I understand quite well...and Denial is NOT a river in Egypt. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #435
I was just explaining how to read the graph whopis01 Feb 2014 #434
I know how to read a graph quite well....thanks though.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #436
My post about how to read the graph was not a reply to your post - it was to someone else. whopis01 Feb 2014 #471
Oh...I am sorry...I thought you were cui bono...my mistake... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #472
Yeah, I don't think the graphs are meaningful in the least. cui bono Feb 2014 #401
Of course you don't .....Facts screw up YOUR narrative! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #406
That site doesn't present facts. cui bono Feb 2014 #408
YES It does... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #409
You left out speeches and quotes. And really, campaign websites? cui bono Feb 2014 #411
So what? THOSE are evidence too....would they NOT be used in a court of law? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #413
omg... seriously? Wow. You are so far gone it's mind boggling. Words are facts??? cui bono Feb 2014 #418
Yeah serious.....Yes YOUR words CAN be used against you in a court of LAW VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #420
The moon is made of cheese. FACT!!! I said it out loud too, so it counts. cui bono Feb 2014 #439
Your actual quotes ARE facts....they can be used against you... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #440
We aren't discussing criteria used to pick who to vote for, we are discussing the illegitimacy cui bono Feb 2014 #441
Thank you! n/t whopis01 Feb 2014 #416
What issue is she liberal about? reusrename Feb 2014 #124
visit the site...its all right there.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #141
Yeah, I saw all that when you posted it. reusrename Feb 2014 #145
then why are you asking me? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #149
I am asking because I don't see anything where she is left of the public. reusrename Feb 2014 #163
YOU might not....however THEY did and THEY listed it..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #168
Fine. If you don't want to discuss it just say so. reusrename Feb 2014 #180
I have provided what I am basing my positions on..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #187
Ok. reusrename Feb 2014 #194
That is not evidence of their track record since they include quotes which mean nothing cui bono Feb 2014 #165
bullshit! YOUR knee-jerk technique is false.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #193
If it is science it should be put up for peer review Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #206
Oh really? Where do you suggest "peer review"? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #208
They certainly don't call it peer review, they don't even call it science Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #218
You've never heard of Political Science? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #219
Yes I have heard of political science Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #220
Yes it does... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #221
Your copy and paste job does not make it science either Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #228
more than your knee jerk opinions... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #230
You keep posting their mission statement as if it means something Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #234
It DOES mean something.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #236
So what are the one or two issues I base my opinion on? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #243
I have no idea...that's 25 CATEGORIES of issues... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #248
And I often look at more than 25 issues when making a personal opinion on a candidate Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #257
its not just 25 issues...its 25 CATEGORIES of issues... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #259
Well I guess you could say I look at more than 25 categories of issues as well Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #260
You are "saying" but not proving....Big Difference... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #261
You are not proving either Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #263
Yeah I am...that's HOW you prove a thesis! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #265
If you tried presenting your arguments in this thread as a thesis you would get a big fat F Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #267
No I wouldn't.....YOU would. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #268
And I have used all those sorts of sources in forming my opinion Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #270
that is NOT a political "site" Sorry... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #284
Yes it is a political site, and yes so is Democratic Underground Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #288
You can't prove an opinion. And you are not using facts. cui bono Feb 2014 #282
I am not using OPINION .....I have data Apparently YOU don't know what hearsay is... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #426
This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Feb 2014 #429
You have proved nothing VR. stillwaiting Feb 2014 #356
awwww did I hurt some fee fee's with my TRUTH! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #432
You could never hurt my feelings VR. stillwaiting Feb 2014 #446
Yes I do have the truth...thanks... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #461
One of the things I tomg Feb 2014 #352
Dr Lichtenberg is not the only one... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #437
Nice try...No cigar? tomg Feb 2014 #452
You still got NOTHING! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #458
You are hopeless. tomg Feb 2014 #468
whoopsie....not just speeches... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #212
OMG! At it again? Not sure why you can't state her policy positions. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #325
they're ALL right there for you to see for yourself...why do I need to repeat any of them VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #433
LOL;) Is she for or against cutting social security? (ie Chained CPI) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #470
This site is full of shit. blackspade Feb 2014 #307
Says YOU.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #428
Is there a reason why you're pimping this site? blackspade Feb 2014 #445
Oh yes there are...look at the page...above the graph...it shows the metrics right there... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #485
You never answered my question... blackspade Feb 2014 #487
A hard-core liberal supported by Goldman Sachs and Walmart? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #331
Can you PROVE it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #424
Here is the story on Walmart's owner Alice Walton donating to Hillary. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #453
and this disproves my graph how? As I said...if YOU think you can run today WITHOUT VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #459
Your graph is the product of the subjective analysis of some academics. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #465
verifiable FACTS are NOT subjective... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #466
Opinions are not verifiable facts. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #480
It is NOT opinion....they are USING actual VOTES and Statements... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #481
Yes. I understand. But you are dealing with opinions. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #488
Here are the figures.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #482
Hillary is liberal on social issues. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #489
bullshit...she may not be as far left on economic issues as you would like....but its bullshit VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #491
i'm using the issue that I believe will be uppermost in people's minds in 2016. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #493
It doesn't work like that...ONE issue doesn't determine that....sorry VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #494
I think that the 2016 election may center around core economic issues. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #499
that doesn't answer the question though does it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #500
What I am saying is that I think that voters who go to the polls in 2016 will go JDPriestly Feb 2014 #502
You don't KNOW that....this IS subjective.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #503
That is something we can agree on. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #504
NO its not based on opinions....its based on the answers the candidates have in each VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #505
But what I am trying to explain is that the questions themselves reveal a bias, JDPriestly Feb 2014 #509
Now WTF do you have on all ^^^^ those issues to dispute it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #484
That chart is the very definition of 'emptiness'. Jeez... what a pretty picture! delrem Feb 2014 #233
Only to those that disagree with the findings.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #237
There is evidence, then there's "See Jane see! See the dot!" nt delrem Feb 2014 #286
YES it IS evidence....what the heck are YOU using for evidence? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #287
See the dot! See the dot move! nt delrem Feb 2014 #290
the dots aren't moving....you better get your eyes checked... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #291
How many of those people were you familiar with before you copied and pasted their names? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #292
Do you not consider them experts...they have been doing this since 2000.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #293
I don't believe there are experts when it comes to political analysis Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #296
Uh yes there are...Political Science ring any bells? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #297
As I said repeatedly I get my info from those same sources, I use objective fadts to form my opinion Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #298
BUT you are not compiling them and using algorithms to come to your conclusions... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #300
Politics is not math so no I don't use algorithms to form my opinion Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #305
tell that to Nate Silver... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #309
Nate Silver did not make these graphs, his methodology is very different Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #358
try to keep up...it wasnt about Nate Silver.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #398
Then why the hell did you bring up Nate Silver? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #455
because it was said you cannot use MATH to do politics... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #457
You obviously don't understand the difference between polling data and political ideology Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #462
Its not about polling....its about SCIENCE....and whether it is science.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #463
Nobody except you calls that site science Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #464
Political Science...perhaps you have heard of it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #495
Your argument reminds me of someone else's Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #496
When totally desperate.....find a way to compare them to George w. Bush! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #498
Words from speeches and press releases are not objective facts when it comes to determining where cui bono Feb 2014 #308
its NOT just speeches...its actual VOTING records! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #310
Why can't you understand that when you mix in non-facts like speeches and campaign websites cui bono Feb 2014 #313
No I won't.....I haven't convinced you because you refuse to accept the facts laid before you... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #317
They are not facts. You know that. Propaganda is used in their assessment. cui bono Feb 2014 #320
Rachel Maddow has her doctorate in political science. MoonchildCA Feb 2014 #380
See the dots on the picture! See see see! delrem Feb 2014 #295
Whatever...I guess you are still not ready to read the "hard stuff".. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #301
See see! See the dot! The dot is red! Red red red! nt delrem Feb 2014 #302
I am sure Nate Silver would agree there is nothing to be found in dots... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #311
Look Dick look! See the dots! delrem Feb 2014 #328
You ARE learning to read ....GOOD For you delrem VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #430
Yup. I learned early to distinguish parlor games from analysis. nt delrem Feb 2014 #447
parlor games? Prove it! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #460
Others have already proven it in these "VanillaRhapsody" threads. delrem Feb 2014 #469
NOT ONE has proven JACK! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #473
Not to you're mind, VanillaRhapsody. But that doesn't count. delrem Feb 2014 #474
Not to anyone's mind...."Nuh uh"....is not proof! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #475
"disagree with the "findings" bvar22 Feb 2014 #387
Clinton and Obama are rivals in the Left Liberal quadrant??? RufusTFirefly Feb 2014 #330
These charts are misleading nikto Feb 2014 #342
It all depends on how the issues are calculated and evalulated Revanchist Feb 2014 #350
Now there's the correct chart...can easily be verified by the facts AND through simple observation. NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #378
LOL...photoshop much? No thinking person would buy what those charts purportedly represent. NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #362
Give it up. No one believes you RC Feb 2014 #89
bullshit! See above... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #98
Meaningless graph is meaningless. cui bono Feb 2014 #294
Oh no it isn't....Your opinions are what are meaningless... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #312
Then why do you keep reading and responding to my posts? cui bono Feb 2014 #314
because you keep replying to mine...duh!! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #315
Cool. cui bono Feb 2014 #316
Yes I am... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #318
If she runs I don't think she will win. zeemike Feb 2014 #91
Oh yes she will..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #100
Cool! Show us a link to Warren's words. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #96
Okay....I got one... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #102
Where does it say Warren encouraged Hillary? cui bono Feb 2014 #103
How is stepping out of the way....not encouraging? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #106
How is stepping out of the way encouraging someone? cui bono Feb 2014 #109
No but she did sign the letter from ALL the Dem Ladies.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #116
It could also mean that by her stepping out of the way fadedrose Feb 2014 #144
but she also signed the secret Letter from "the ladies" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #162
Seriously? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #115
the secret letter mentioned above is another.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #118
Secret letter. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #122
No but those ladies are bonded.....it's been spoken of many times... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #195
Bonded. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #204
Yes they are....its been spoken of many times.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #207
The secret letter from the bonded ladies. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #209
they signed it and all agreed to "encourage" (that word you were looking for remember) VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #211
Encourage. Yes. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #214
fine... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #216
But why is it secret? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #217
the ladies? Yeah right.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #224
Link please? n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #104
Okay....here you go..., VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #110
Thanks. And yuck! cui bono Feb 2014 #114
Yeah well when she becomes President after Hillary I am sure you will see.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #197
and Hillary is NOT a corporatist...she is a Populist leaning Liberal! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #198
It's early. That can change. Probably will. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #329
How many times have you been PPR'd? morningfog Feb 2014 #492
I agree we dont't need another corporatist INdemo Feb 2014 #152
Good because she is not one....she is a Populist leaning Liberal... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #199
She has millionaires and billionaires waiting to back her if INdemo Feb 2014 #527
You don't have to agree with it...but NO one yet has had more credible evidence that she isn't VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #528
I agree to disagree and INdemo Feb 2014 #529
she IS a Liberal....this meme is ridic! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #530
It's time we talk about economic justice. That has been a taboo topic since Reagan. JDPriestly May 2014 #531
I saw it. Awknid Feb 2014 #4
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #5
Clinton-Sachs may be progressive on social issues, but she is not the one to rhett o rick Feb 2014 #6
Oh really? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #202
Good luck trying to sell that completely bogus chart...LOL NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #425
K&R G_j Feb 2014 #7
Crystal Ball just gained huge respect from me! Hun Joro Feb 2014 #8
Her name used to bother me too Awknid Feb 2014 #11
Her dad did his dissertation on crystals, so maybe she is honoring him by keeping it. n/t dorkzilla Feb 2014 #82
Not maybe. He chose her name based on his work. n/t DFW Feb 2014 #442
Yes, that's what I said. The question posed was "why wouldn't she change her name". n/t dorkzilla Feb 2014 #444
Why should she? DFW Feb 2014 #449
Huh??? No one said she should change her name! dorkzilla Feb 2014 #467
You guys, it's KRYSTAL. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #108
It's worse than you realize--she spells it with a K! MADem Feb 2014 #87
I agree completely bowens43 Feb 2014 #9
They need someone not in the back pocket of Big Business. nt arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #10
what makes you think that? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #34
I think she and her husband or too tied into the Wall Street thieves. Also her arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #38
She hasn't worked there for many many years.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #43
I guess I'm like Chrystal, I was for her the first time but her position on arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #57
Well no one....NO one...has the gravitas to win.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #60
If it came down that she won the nomination for prez, there's no way I wouldn't support arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #64
and I do....and I knew before Barack Obama won the primary that Hillary was left of him VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #66
The alternative is a nightmare! arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #69
Which is why you go with your A-team.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #70
Walmart is among Hillary's current supporters. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #332
Here is her husband... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #201
Surprised me too - but she's right, HRC isn't the one for this moment. polichick Feb 2014 #12
Hillary: "Outsourcing will continue..." antigop Feb 2014 #13
I am totally convinced. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #26
"not against all outsourcing" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #36
Then what good is she? MFrohike Feb 2014 #164
You don't like honesty in a candidate? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #172
I don't like uselessness MFrohike Feb 2014 #179
A President is ONLY a President...sorry....but they cannot make THAT VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #182
Oh brother MFrohike Feb 2014 #183
I understand you quite well.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #227
No, you really don't MFrohike Feb 2014 #242
you have 3 bullets....they have HUNDREDS! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #250
Binders full of women! MFrohike Feb 2014 #272
Actually no...I have this... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #274
The sense to walk away MFrohike Feb 2014 #280
You should walk away....YOU have nothing to back yourself up... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #281
Their work is based on past results. Their work is not relevant to a time of as much JDPriestly Feb 2014 #335
The president is responsible for the negotiation of trade agreements. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #337
She said that? abelenkpe Feb 2014 #74
Didn't she also call herself dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #271
I doubt it.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #276
"I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily." antigop Feb 2014 #383
she co-founded the Senate India caucus with John Cornyn antigop Feb 2014 #384
Clinton's free-trade advocacy is hitting labor where it lives antigop Feb 2014 #385
Thank you for these posts - eom dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #443
Hillary touts "advantages" of outsourcing of US jobs to India antigop Feb 2014 #14
You deny that? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #39
And that is why I won't set foot in that hellish excuse for a business. blackspade Feb 2014 #321
Me either....but I guarantee you in one way or another you have benefitted. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #322
Please quantify that benefit. blackspade Feb 2014 #323
I'm sure the Clintons are both benefiting with their crazy priced 'speeches'... Whisp Feb 2014 #476
It is a matter of balancing the benefits against the losses. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #338
Hillary Clinton reaffirms support for more H-1B visas antigop Feb 2014 #15
we DO have a shortage of Dr's and Nurses...they use the H1B visas too... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #279
American Drs. and nurses are the best educated and most carefully vetted. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #339
Yes they are.....but we are still having a shortage that will continue VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #396
And many radiologists have been outsourced because X-Rays can be sent overseas in a minute or so... cascadiance Feb 2014 #389
THAT is malarkey.....we don't have enough Drs and Nurses...THAT is a fact VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #397
And overseas like India they SUBSIDIZE their education while our kids have more college debt! cascadiance Feb 2014 #417
I watched that. Skidmore Feb 2014 #16
Hillary played a leading part in drafting the TPP antigop Feb 2014 #17
Papantonio: Hillary Can’t Shed Corporate Stripes (video) antigop Feb 2014 #18
This is consistent with MSNBC's strategy The The Feb 2014 #19
Extreme left? Since when was Krystal Ball extreme left? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #21
Whenever I hear "extreme left" it usually means someone who's to the left of Bill O'Reilly. Iggo Feb 2014 #24
but there are Left fringers too.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #42
I'm sure there are. Iggo Feb 2014 #62
what do you think the Left fringe is? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #68
What does The The define it as? Iggo Feb 2014 #71
I would consider the left fringe to be Stalinists and Maoists Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #86
Exactly. But the centrists/corporatists like to try to label the real left as extreme so they can cui bono Feb 2014 #177
and some people TRY to make those on the left appear as moderates... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #215
I'm not doing any such thing. Do you finally have an example cui bono Feb 2014 #223
there is a whole list for you to browse at VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #235
Why do I have to do your work for you? I need LEFT things Obama has done. cui bono Feb 2014 #266
Okay do you consider Teabaggers Fascists? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #249
I am talking about a real Stalinist, not a teabaggers uninformed ramblings of what a Stalinist is Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #255
Right and I am talking about Real Fascists.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #258
So you are saying that laundry_queen Feb 2014 #262
No that was NOT what I was saying.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #264
I don't think that Elizabeth Warren is all that to the left. I think she is quite middle-class JDPriestly Feb 2014 #341
Extreme left? Because we don't want Hillary? Enthusiast Feb 2014 #25
Preferring someone over Hillary vs. Wanting Hillary not to run at all The The Feb 2014 #30
Hillary's history tells us all we need to know. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #53
Huh? daleanime Feb 2014 #28
and those are the ONLY Liberals YOU can even think of based on a very narrow VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #45
YOU don't know what I'm thinking.... daleanime Feb 2014 #155
I DO know what kind of "stuff" goes around on DU about it....I take it you concur... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #157
Extreme left? They aren't allowed anywhere near corporate media. cui bono Feb 2014 #29
Exactly. The Rs put their fringe front and center and thier corporate office, FoxNoise, Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #393
Lol. Subtle! nt Union Scribe Feb 2014 #79
Aw, give him a break. He's new. Iggo Feb 2014 #200
Same as it was in 2008. Beacool Feb 2014 #253
MSNBC is owned by extreme right corporations. They fired olbermann & Cenk. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #327
Ms. Ball usually always has something profound to add to the conversation... dawnie51 Feb 2014 #20
K&R! I hope this post gets hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #23
2016 is the year of the women, and whoever is the nominee lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #31
the difference is Hillary can WIN.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #48
Joy Reid just made an excellent point on Ed's show. Skidmore Feb 2014 #52
and WHO else can win? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #56
2016 can wait a bit. Skidmore Feb 2014 #72
In 2006 who thought Obama would win? cui bono Feb 2014 #185
After a George W Bush? Pretty easy VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #275
Okay, pay attention before you respond. I said in 2006. That was before the primaries started. cui bono Feb 2014 #283
Your "little directions" mean nothing to me...believe me I PAY attention... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #285
No, you weren't paying attention as evidenced by your last post. cui bono Feb 2014 #289
I think you missed a key detail quakerboy Feb 2014 #512
In the past 30 years, no potential candidate has had to face the kind of attacks that Hillary JDPriestly Feb 2014 #343
Sort of like she did when she ran for the Senate? MADem Feb 2014 #85
I have no doubt that she has a strategy to follow. Skidmore Feb 2014 #92
I intentially did not remark on a specific candidate. There are a lot of demographics that go into lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #273
K&R Whisp Feb 2014 #33
I know...BENGAZI! right? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #49
Ben Gauzie is a Muslin! Whisp Feb 2014 #59
Simple fact is....Hillary Clinton can win...and most likely WILL win... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #65
The fact that the Pugs hate her so isn't enough for me. Whisp Feb 2014 #88
Signed in just to K&R this post. TalkingDog Feb 2014 #35
The unfortunately named pundit is dead on correct. PeteSelman Feb 2014 #40
She ended it by saying she would be 100% behind Clinton ecstatic Feb 2014 #41
NOPE they would rather risk another George Bush.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #50
Except Hillary would BE another George Bush. Just another corporatist forced upon the voters. nt NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #415
2 SCOTUS picks not worth the risk lobodons Feb 2014 #44
^^^^THIS!!!^^^ VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #54
have you seen the parade of shitgoblins in the republican stable? frylock Feb 2014 #78
She's a loser. Marr Feb 2014 #93
When they say she is "electable," they mean that she has the money. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #344
Hear! Hear! Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #142
Ironic when MSNBC people affect a strong Union support. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #46
Don't want her for president ebbie15644 Feb 2014 #47
ANY woman running would have to be willing to fight a war. ANY. aquart Feb 2014 #55
I liked this rant but if Clinton becomes the nominee justiceischeap Feb 2014 #51
Wait, so then you think she SHOULD run? The The Feb 2014 #58
No, I don't think she should run justiceischeap Feb 2014 #61
If the electorate is farther to the left, the Clintons will be too. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #63
So Krystal Ball and William Kristol are on the same page. Great. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #67
Kristol Ball The The Feb 2014 #73
People are waking up to the economic inequality, and Hillary will not do anything to liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #75
How do you know she won't do "anything" The The Feb 2014 #76
I saw it and I agree with Ms. Ball. earthside Feb 2014 #77
Thank you for your concern. aquart Feb 2014 #84
Like Ms. Ball, I like Warren. earthside Feb 2014 #90
Schweitzer? You might want to do some research. Evergreen Emerald Feb 2014 #232
Since you have expressed a strong opinion, who do you think would make a viable candidate? lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #277
I would love to see a woman as the Democratic nominee aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2014 #80
I think it is H2O Man Feb 2014 #81
I agree. n/t. ms liberty Feb 2014 #131
Hater! nt antigop Feb 2014 #269
the right person is anyone who can beat the GOP in spite of massive GOP fraud and voter suppression stg81 Feb 2014 #83
Not if they continue GOP policy. We've had all we can take of that. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #123
The only reason Hillary is the favorite of several people here rustydog Feb 2014 #94
Guess who won't be getting any interviews with the next President! Walk away Feb 2014 #95
Oh Oh, Crystal is now on The List... Whisp Feb 2014 #99
Oh! You mean the alleged "enemy list" that may or may not exist? The The Feb 2014 #107
My sentiments nt Sienna86 Feb 2014 #111
Not a comment on the feeling, but calling out this line: Lordquinton Feb 2014 #127
Good point! JDPriestly Feb 2014 #346
I will support that Democrat who I determine has the best chance of winning. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #153
Agree completely. n/t kiranon Feb 2014 #319
Crystal has a big "but" rock Feb 2014 #169
I like the other possible candidates but I question whether they can win. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #171
I like her too and believe she can win. Great minds run on the same track. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #184
. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #188
Who gives a s*** what Krystal Ball says? OldRedneck Feb 2014 #190
I'm in the 1st district also gwheezie Feb 2014 #334
And now we know the rest of the story. Interesting. mfcorey1 Feb 2014 #351
I used to like her...but not anymore. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #196
So who IS the right person? And it had better be someone who will win! Kablooie Feb 2014 #210
I agree with her. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2014 #222
And Another... WillyT Feb 2014 #225
MSNBC is getting REALLY difficult to watch..... George II Feb 2014 #244
I'm still in shock that anyone watches the cycle Champion Jack Feb 2014 #245
k/r 840high Feb 2014 #246
Hillary may run or not, but I'm sure that Warren meant it when she said that she was not running. Beacool Feb 2014 #247
Now now, Sweetie, it was just her opinion fadedrose Feb 2014 #251
I don't take this place seriously because it doesn't reflect the real world. Beacool Feb 2014 #254
The person I vote for may not win, but at least I know I will be voting for the change I want. liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #299
Or Toure's George II Feb 2014 #372
Just because she sat on the Walmart Board does not mean she is treestar Feb 2014 #278
Why not a Union President? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #347
Name one that is likely to ever run for POTUS treestar Feb 2014 #359
At this time, there aren't any, but I would not rule out the possibility of one JDPriestly Feb 2014 #390
I didn't click on the link. Does the person provide any credible alternatives? Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #303
ahh. I just clicked. Elizabeth Warren. A non-credible candidate. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #304
Why do you consider Warren to be a "non-credible" candidate? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #348
Hillary disqualified herself when she voted for Bush's war, prevaricated over torture and supported sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #306
She's wrong on wars, costly trade, taxation, SS, & privatization. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #324
HRC 2016 Campaign Slogan: "You Don't Need No Stinkin' Choices" blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #326
No, because I had to disconnect the cable. The money to pay for it is with some rentier. jtuck004 Feb 2014 #333
Crystal's got it right... nikto Feb 2014 #340
Well, I'll have to BlueMTexpat Feb 2014 #349
Agree Completely - Hillary Is Wrong For America cantbeserious Feb 2014 #353
we must come to an agreement.... tomp Feb 2014 #354
Have you ever watched a cat trying to cover up shit on a linoleum floor? bvar22 Feb 2014 #405
That's one of the funniest posts in recent memory dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #450
K&R'ed 2 Thumbs up! BrainDrain Feb 2014 #355
After reading this thread (yes, I read all of it), I have come to one conclusion: Buns_of_Fire Feb 2014 #357
I agree. MynameisBlarney Feb 2014 #360
Those items in your avatar are disgusting and propaganda to the max!! mfcorey1 Feb 2014 #364
The what now? MynameisBlarney Feb 2014 #366
When you click on the graphic for your post, a list comes up with some of the most vile lies about mfcorey1 Feb 2014 #367
It leads to the poster's journal. HappyMe Feb 2014 #368
Not blaming him, but pointing out the items listed are disgusting. mfcorey1 Feb 2014 #370
Yes, they are. HappyMe Feb 2014 #371
Ooooooh! Thanks! I had no idea. MynameisBlarney Feb 2014 #373
Krystal Ball is entitled to her opinion. HappyMe Feb 2014 #361
Heard it. Loved it. 12AngryBorneoWildmen Feb 2014 #363
I love how people become political experts after losing very winnable districts. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #369
I didn't make the connection until now because her name didn't mean anything to me. Beacool Feb 2014 #374
you actually went there? ROFLMAO!!! Whisp Feb 2014 #477
Go scratch the dog, I think it has an itch. Beacool Feb 2014 #478
Now will Ball live up to her name? alp227 Feb 2014 #375
I totally agree with her Estevan Feb 2014 #377
If her parents really named her that... Loaded Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #379
Yes, her parents really named her that DFW Feb 2014 #448
heehe! I thought I was the only one that felt like Cyrstal!! Stellar Feb 2014 #381
K&R broiles Feb 2014 #382
wow! 170 recs. 170 "haters". sarcasm. nt antigop Feb 2014 #388
This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Feb 2014 #392
I supported Kucinich. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #394
the site explains their methodology...you are welcome to go there and read it yourself. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #400
I agree vrp Feb 2014 #407
Don't have time to read the comments, but this is powerful. Wow. Shifted my begruding support libdem4life Feb 2014 #438
And we laugh at the tea party for destroying their best chances. aquart Feb 2014 #479
Perhaps her credentials are roughly akin to those of quakerboy Feb 2014 #514
Elizabeth Warren is a political novice. Plain fact. aquart Feb 2014 #518
You say novice quakerboy Feb 2014 #525
How does "begrudging support" "trash" Hillary? I'm Left Liberal and I don't condescendingly sneer libdem4life Feb 2014 #516
"Can she withstand" quakerboy Feb 2014 #513
In case anyone is interested, Krystal did not make the decision do this segment lightly DFW Feb 2014 #451
good for her G_j Feb 2014 #483
She has more depth than some would ascribe to her DFW Feb 2014 #508
I admire her guts. HappyMe Feb 2014 #511
I took the liberty of passing your comment on to her DFW Feb 2014 #524
well, what she said was well thought out G_j Feb 2014 #520
Glad to share them DFW Feb 2014 #521
Count me in the "Amen Corner". Maybe she just broke through the Inevitable Ceiling, just a bit.n/t libdem4life Feb 2014 #517
so before 2008 i watched the iowa caucuses questionseverything Feb 2014 #486
Bookmarking this thread for the 2016 primaries neverforget Feb 2014 #497
. solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #506
I mean really "Crystal Ball"... Ellipsis Feb 2014 #507
My thoughts Faux pas Feb 2014 #519
"Thin slice of educated elite," what a bullshit phrase. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #526
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