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In reply to the discussion: What REALLY happened to the plane that didn't hit the Pentagon on 9/11 [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)241. If you want a democracy that immediately devolves into mob rule, that's all you need.
If you want a democracy that continually evolves with time, as the one detailed in the Constitution of the United States, you need Truth.
That is why the Press is the only business named in the entire Constitution. A free people need to know the Truth in order to maintain a republic, a nation built on the rule of law, where every citizen is equal to every other.
In many important democratic respects, the nation has fallen a long way over the past 50 years. A large part of it due to ignorance, as propaganda has largely replaced journalism.
Alex Carey: Corporations and Propaganda
The Attack on Democracy
The 20th century, said Carey, is marked by three historic developments: the growth of democracy via the expansion of the franchise, the growth of corporations, and the growth of propaganda to protect corporations from democracy. Carey wrote that the people of the US have been subjected to an unparalleled, expensive, 3/4 century long propaganda effort designed to expand corporate rights by undermining democracy and destroying the unions. And, in his manuscript, unpublished during his life time, he described that history, going back to World War I and ending with the Reagan era. Carey covers the little known role of the US Chamber of Commerce in the McCarthy witch hunts of post WWII and shows how the continued campaign against "Big Government" plays an important role in bringing Reagan to power.
John Pilger called Carey "a second Orwell", Noam Chomsky dedicated his book, Manufacturing Consent, to him. And even though TUC Radio runs our documentary based on Carey's manuscript at least every two years and draws a huge response each time, Alex Carey is still unknown.
Given today's spotlight on corporations that may change. It is not only the Occupy movement that inspired me to present this program again at this time. By an amazing historic coincidence Bill Moyers and Charlie Cray of Greenpeace have just added the missing chapter to Carey's analysis. Carey's manuscript ends in 1988 when he committed suicide. Moyers and Cray begin with 1971 and bring the corporate propaganda project up to date.
This is a fairly complex production with many voices, historic sound clips, and source material. The program has been used by writers and students of history and propaganda. Alex Carey: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda VS Freedom and Liberty with a foreword by Noam Chomsky was published by the University of Illinois Press in 1995.
SOURCE: http://tucradio.org/new.html
If you find a moment, here's the first part (scroll down at the link for the second part) on Carey.
http://tucradio.org/AlexCarey_ONE.mp3
A guide to understanding what we hear on the television screen and most everywhere else:
The Propaganda System That Has Helped Create a Permanent Overclass Is Over a Century in the Making
Pulling back the curtain on how intent the wealthiest Americans have been on establishing a propaganda tool to subvert democracy.
Wednesday, 17 April 2013 00:00
By Andrew Gavin Marshall, AlterNet | News Analysis
Where there is the possibility of democracy, there is the inevitability of elite insecurity. All through its history, democracy has been under a sustained attack by elite interests, political, economic, and cultural. There is a simple reason for this: democracy as in true democracy places power with people. In such circumstances, the few who hold power become threatened. With technological changes in modern history, with literacy and education, mass communication, organization and activism, elites have had to react to the changing nature of society locally and globally.
From the late 19th century on, the threats to elite interests from the possibility of true democracy mobilized institutions, ideologies, and individuals in support of power. What began was a massive social engineering project with one objective: control. Through educational institutions, the social sciences, philanthropic foundations, public relations and advertising agencies, corporations, banks, and states, powerful interests sought to reform and protect their power from the potential of popular democracy.
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The development of psychology, psychoanalysis, and other disciplines increasingly portrayed the public and the population as irrational beings incapable of making their own decisions. The premise was simple: if the population was driven by dangerous, irrational emotions, they needed to be kept out of power and ruled over by those who were driven by reason and rationality, naturally, those who were already in power.
The Princeton Radio Project, which began in the 1930s with Rockefeller Foundation funding, brought together many psychologists, social scientists, and experts armed with an interest in social control, mass communication, and propaganda. The Princeton Radio Project had a profound influence upon the development of a modern "democratic propaganda" in the United States and elsewhere in the industrialized world. It helped in establishing and nurturing the ideas, institutions, and individuals who would come to shape Americas democratic propaganda throughout the Cold War, a program fostered between the private corporations which own the media, advertising, marketing, and public relations industries, and the state itself.
CONTINUED...
http://truth-out.org/news/item/15784-the-propaganda-system-that-has-helped-create-a-permanent-overclass-is-over-a-century-in-the-making
Here's an example of what citizens need to know, but they don't view on their Corporate McPravda television screen:
Geithner bailed out Wall Street THIEVES with the US TAXPAYER's money.
The system was pioneered in the Savings & Loan rip-offs of the 1980s and 90s: Crooks working inside the S&L institutions would loot the money, legally, by "lending" it to crooks who applied for loans or offered "investments." When the money couldn't be repaid, the FSLIC would back up the missing funds. It cost a $1 trillion dollars to fix.
Know your BFEE: They Looted Your Nations S&Ls for Power and Profit
Fast forward to 2008: Crooks working inside the Banks would loot the money, legally, by "lending" it to crooks who applied for loans or offered "investments." When the money couldn't be repaid, the FDIC would back up the missing funds. It cost a $16 trillion dollars to fix.
Know your BFEE: Goldmine Sacked or The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One
What kept the banks from acting like a drunk in a casino and the crooks from getting all the money sooner? Regulation from the New Deal, the Glass-Steagall Act.
Who protects their get-away? A federal smoke screen.
One guy who tried to do something about it, as he did as a forensic economist prosecuting the S&L crooks in the early 1990s, is William K. Black. For some reason no one mentions on television, Tim Geithner found him a person to be avoided at all costs.
Good luck with the information, AnalystInParadise. Remember: Smart citizens are better than dumb ones.
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What REALLY happened to the plane that didn't hit the Pentagon on 9/11 [View all]
HarveyDarkey
Feb 2014
OP
Just wait.. there'll be someone on DU wanting funding to go to a conference to get the truth ;) n/t
X_Digger
Feb 2014
#7
It's not questioning the official story that's laughed at - it's the absurd conspiracy theories.
chrisa
Feb 2014
#46
It's easy to lump in legitimate questioning of "official stories" in with crazy assed ideas and
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#269
Nothing funny about mocking people interested in learning and sharing the Truth.
Octafish
Feb 2014
#82
If you want a democracy that immediately devolves into mob rule, that's all you need.
Octafish
Feb 2014
#241
Bullying behavior sucks. It sucks even worse on a progressive message board.
ScreamingMeemie
Feb 2014
#105
It's never justified to treat someone else like shit because one disagrees with them on a
ScreamingMeemie
Feb 2014
#110
The crap being peddled by CT and woo pushers does real damage to noble causes.
NuclearDem
Feb 2014
#112
It helps that there are lots of pictures of this plane flying towards the center of the US
solarhydrocan
Feb 2014
#166
If there was a photo you'd declare it fabricated, just like all the other evidence.
WatermelonRat
Feb 2014
#178
Well, Bigfoot, Yeti, and Nessie all discussed this at the latest Bildeberg meeting.
NuclearDem
Feb 2014
#33
Flight 800 was shot down to prevent a leak about the moon landing being fake.......
lastlib
Feb 2014
#66
Here's an interesting study I read about earlier today: "Online Trolls are Everyday Sadists"
Electric Monk
Feb 2014
#220
That's my reoccurring dream; I fall asleep listening to that wacky Coast to Coast
Brother Buzz
Feb 2014
#22
Wait, you had me except for the part where the government is taking over the government.
eggplant
Feb 2014
#39
Does it bother you that the Bush administration is the source of the official story?
SecularMotion
Feb 2014
#133
The hijacking of 4 aircraft and subsequent crashes are just a part of the official 9/11 story.
SecularMotion
Feb 2014
#139
It's about the 911 Victim's Families who pushed for the 911 Commission to be formed.
CJCRANE
Feb 2014
#266
The trolls on this board are the ones who are trying to suppress any discussion of 9/11.
SecularMotion
Feb 2014
#143
Yeah, the guy in the OP is so far from reality he's having tea with The Hatter.
Vashta Nerada
Feb 2014
#72
and I don't believe you should count the same persons listed several times. nt
wildbilln864
Feb 2014
#162
If you can't see the plane in that video, I recommend seeing an ophthalmologist immediately.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#180
Yes. The nose of the plane is well lit, appearing lighter. The blue stripe follows aft.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#208
The video says there is no plane on the security footage. There clearly is one.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#222
I wish for the day that the federal government releases all the videos.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#225
You called it a false flag, and then say you don't believe it was carried out by the government?
NuclearDem
Feb 2014
#265
The NIST simulated the fires and collapses and explains them in their reports.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#305
You may find this surprising but I have a working knowledge of basic physics.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#320
You are literally repeating a term without defining its relation to the NIST report.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#326
You know, there's another interesting aspect to cascade failure that's relevant.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#333
Why would they need to build a scale model if they have more accurate computer models?
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#321
"others do not agree" - Luddites don't agree. The NIST has released data from the simulations.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#325
"Smirk. Thanks for the obfuscationary snarkage, Harv. Tee hee. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R)
Berlum
Feb 2014
#68
It landed in Saudi Arabia on Sept 12. With half the royal family on board.
Smarmie Doofus
Feb 2014
#103
let's not forget how Militant Atheists are Using Chemtrails to Poison the Angels in Heaven
Douglas Carpenter
Feb 2014
#111
Plus the government is spying on all electronic communication of the people.
Skip Intro
Feb 2014
#120
Almost 5 hours long? No one can focus that long and I'm not going to invest my time on it.
Boomerproud
Feb 2014
#169
Just because a tall building can burn for a week and not fall down does not mean it will always.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#201
Totally irrelevant example. We found out about the atomic bomb the day they dropped.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#274
Robots. People who love Big Brother and know the government never lies.
Manifestor_of_Light
Feb 2014
#298
"I see the NIST reports as the culmination of in depth analysis by skilled experts." Do you now?
wildbilln864
Feb 2014
#307
They spent over 3 times as much money trying to smear Bill Clinton than the 9/11
GoneFishin
Feb 2014
#207
Except there is a perfectly reasonable explanation of the building 7 collapse.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#223
Finally did? It's in their report. The building fell for several seconds at free fall.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#235
That doesn't jive with the NIST report. Collapse took 40% longer than total free fall.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#237
Well that says it all. You presume nothing is afoot, then use circular logic from there.
GoneFishin
Feb 2014
#252
I'm not going to sit you down on my lap and read the NIST report to you.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#275
You've demonstrated a level of ignorance to basic industrial design not often seen.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#297