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66. Point taken..

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:19 PM

Feb 2014

this post is more about bashing the whole country and expecting a good result. I tried to explain that all this vitriol wasn't gonna help anyone. Your right about the church. It was a political move by Putin. I have been well aware of hate crimes in Russia conducted by neo nazi nationalists since my first visit in 2004, although I've personally never seen one violent act except on the internet where poor immigrants were being attacked. The neo nazi nationalists were more closely associated with Putins extreme opposition. That point is not considered in the US. Actually quite a few of the anti Putin rallys that were covered in the US press years ago were conducted by those types of nationalists. Hence the reason Putin wins by such a large margin over there.

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The Russia bashing has backfired. [View all] go west young man Feb 2014 OP

Good news from other nations seems to make Americans inexplicably sad, even angry. Strange. Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #1

"Good news"? Russia's Laws Against Gays in Russia is "good news"? Tell us Cha Feb 2014 #71

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InfoWars and PrisonPlanet? Codeine Feb 2014 #235

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I've read these editorials before. I think you posted them already OKNancy Feb 2014 #2

Oh, I fully agree with you here Aerows Feb 2014 #16

Some of the bashing has gone way over the line. Xithras Feb 2014 #3

Bush got elected in our country, technically Aerows Feb 2014 #11

Yes, but how much responsibility do you, as a person, share for his actions? Xithras Feb 2014 #21

I think it's important to understand what causes bigotry-of any kind-to exist YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #42

Totally agree OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #96

The Russian opinion polls I've read... Silent3 Feb 2014 #127

I address these polls below. go west young man Feb 2014 #148

Didn't you know that just because you lived in Russia OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #157

I don't go by polls OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #155

Who said anything about "targeting" anyone? Silent3 Feb 2014 #176

Thank you! Very well stated. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #13

No, the reality is that Russians as a group are virulent homophobes and the anti-GLBT geek tragedy Feb 2014 #14

Agreed - but we have a lot of work to do with a goodly portion of the USA: freshwest Feb 2014 #23

There is bigotry in the US, but the bigots are losing the culture war here, badly. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #27

But the regressives are really doubling down... Still look at VA... That's good news: freshwest Feb 2014 #35

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The chart must be skewed... go west young man Feb 2014 #72

And don't get me started go west young man Feb 2014 #74

The little old church ladies, the broken alcoholics, their families FrodosPet Feb 2014 #146

CIA stats on Russian population. go west young man Feb 2014 #147

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yeah we uppity people demanding our rights arely staircase Feb 2014 #25

Never said it was great. Xithras Feb 2014 #37

I have a problem with bigotry. Institutionalized bigotry like that of the Russian government arely staircase Feb 2014 #159

After reading GT's posts: Yup, fuck Russian homophobia, racism and... n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #4

yes but you are straight so you see 'Russia and the US' while I am gay and i see straight Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #7

I don't disagree with you Aerows Feb 2014 #12

problem is, if anything, Putin is less homophobic than the general public. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #17

That's sad. Aerows Feb 2014 #18

I read somewhere that Putin did this to appease his ultra right-wing supporters. Don't know how true okaawhatever Feb 2014 #49

See my posts above go west young man Feb 2014 #91

'Don't call us on our persecution of LGBT people or we will persecute LGBT people more?' Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #5

+100 theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #163

Straight folks who lecture gay people that we are opposing Straight bigotry the wrong way Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #6

"See, you hurt yourself by standing up for yourself." Lex Feb 2014 #20

+1000000 Jamastiene Feb 2014 #31

Yep, the same old matra used against workers in this country theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #165

thank you nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #26

+1000000 Jamastiene Feb 2014 #29

Except that... in another thread go west young man Feb 2014 #67

+1 Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #161

leave Putin and the homophobic bigots aloooooone. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #8

LOL OKNancy Feb 2014 #10

Yeah, one of my favorites! Geek knows where to find 'em. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #24

EXACTLY! Jamastiene Feb 2014 #30

YES, and I LOVE IT get the red out Feb 2014 #45

+1. LOL. n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #59

Really. That's the fucking height of idiocy. Cha Feb 2014 #73

great answer to the hand wringing in the editorials covered in the header. Nika Feb 2014 #117

perfect LOL snooper2 Feb 2014 #185

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Good read malaise Feb 2014 #9

Thanks. go west young man Feb 2014 #88

The hypocrisy of the America-first crowd is what's so disappointing. reusrename Feb 2014 #158

I've already been called everything in the book. go west young man Feb 2014 #166

"Haha, the Russians have screwed up again!" Lex Feb 2014 #15

lol Renew Deal Feb 2014 #38

Not the Onion, Russian Embassy Compares Its Nation's Homophobia to U.K. 'Ginger' Hate Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #19

I think this thread is what backfired! OKNancy Feb 2014 #22

The links I posted go west young man Feb 2014 #68

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Your membership status with the Putin Fan Club is duly noted. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #28

How DARE we stand up for what is right? Jamastiene Feb 2014 #32

But...but...but.... Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #75

Believe it or not, "it's" go west young man Feb 2014 #94

Take your own advice. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #97

Everyone here can see my "agenda" go west young man Feb 2014 #103

See, we agree on something. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #104

I fully realize... go west young man Feb 2014 #119

And? Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #121

Debate the OP please. go west young man Feb 2014 #131

The OP is nothing but strawman feces, so it is hard to "debate" illogical crap. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #132

With rebuttals like that... go west young man Feb 2014 #149

As opposed to your rebuttals? Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #151

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Gay folks should sit quietly and wait until someone deigns to allow them equal rights. NYC Liberal Feb 2014 #33

The ones hurting the LGBT community in Russia is their govrrnment and their fellow hrmjustin Feb 2014 #34

The Russian govt passed their hateful and bigoted laws. Don't blame people for noticing Renew Deal Feb 2014 #36

And the Duma was unanimous in their hate and bigotry Laughing Mirror Feb 2014 #187

You know, when the Olympics were held in Mexico City in 68 nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #39

Oh I notice. go west young man Feb 2014 #57

I appreciate that you lived in large urban centers. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #63

Point taken.. go west young man Feb 2014 #66

Back that with.... go west young man Feb 2014 #69

Dad grew up in Poland nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #76

Just because you personally have never witnessed it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #70

Point taken... go west young man Feb 2014 #123

I've been traveling the world since I was a kid, been to places that don't even exist Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #64

Let me ask you a question go west young man. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #40

I can't help wonder if this has to do with Snowden BainsBane Feb 2014 #51

Whike I can't speak for the OP and nor will I try, I think that some here on this site like Putin hrmjustin Feb 2014 #54

Putin has no problem using military force BainsBane Feb 2014 #58

Yeah I don't get it either. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #60

Although I am fully aware of "The Great Game" go west young man Feb 2014 #82

We have stooped to Putin's brutal laws? I can not believe you just said that! hrmjustin Feb 2014 #84

I'm equating the verbal demonization of a whole culture go west young man Feb 2014 #90

Well putting DU in the same category as that law is not right IMO. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #93

DU normally does a lot better than this vitriolic stuff go west young man Feb 2014 #101

Well perhaps if you don't insult us the way you have you might not get banned again. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #105

Waaaaaaahhhhhh I got posts hidden waaaaaaaaahhhhh NuclearDem Feb 2014 #107

It's just a website. go west young man Feb 2014 #109

Utter self absorbed bullshit. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #110

Instead of getting so personal... go west young man Feb 2014 #124

No, I won't. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #126

"No I won't." go west young man Feb 2014 #133

I think of it as more a revelatory forum. A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #134

For the people that don't know me... go west young man Feb 2014 #139

What do you think Jimmy Carter would say about your posts on this topic? A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #142

I'm pretty sure neither of them go west young man Feb 2014 #150

"Someone they disagree with" NuclearDem Feb 2014 #160

I try not to be rude to people. go west young man Feb 2014 #167

Of course you don't get it. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #169

The DUMA does not have the support of the people in Russia. go west young man Feb 2014 #173

"Nonbeliever" doesn't automatically mean socially progressive NuclearDem Feb 2014 #182

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You are utterly unbelievable. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #135

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Because a thoughtless post on DU is exactly the same BainsBane Feb 2014 #106

"Putin's silly law" Laughing Mirror Feb 2014 #188

I actually agree with the helping LGBT people in Russia. go west young man Feb 2014 #79

How are we being used by the media and how are we punishing Russia? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #81

My goodness; you're painting the DU with the same broad brush you claim the DU has toward Russia! icymist Feb 2014 #114

So, your post about a gay couple visiting Russia saying there is no issue joeglow3 Feb 2014 #140

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Awww, the Putinistas are butthurt... backscatter712 Feb 2014 #41

The Olympics really seems to bring out the xenophobia quinnox Feb 2014 #43

Or it could be that people say "the Russians" but don't actually mean justiceischeap Feb 2014 #46

Possibly quinnox Feb 2014 #48

I for one don't hate all Russians justiceischeap Feb 2014 #56

well, hopefully most are just doing as you speculate quinnox Feb 2014 #62

There was one poster here this past week go west young man Feb 2014 #78

His post did not get banned by the way. go west young man Feb 2014 #83

Was it this one that was hidden?: A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #85

The second one was hidden for a link to a transphobic video. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #95

Shoulda got the boot for that. A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #98

Instead, he posted the same link again in another post. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #99

Using love for Russia to hide A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #102

The title of the link: Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #120

I...what? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #122

It's amazing you guys can't see what is starting to appear as a gang mentality go west young man Feb 2014 #125

Waaaaaaah the LGBTers and their allies are getting all touchy waaaaahhh NuclearDem Feb 2014 #129

Evolve. go west young man Feb 2014 #141

To make the point that it happens in the US. go west young man Feb 2014 #115

No, the transgender people were not the victims, it was MOCKING transgender people! Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #118

It's Americans fighting. go west young man Feb 2014 #136

You claim that is the point, but GLBT here got your REAL point. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #138

For the 500th time... go west young man Feb 2014 #153

No, where we disagree.... Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #154

Except for the fact that I.... go west young man Feb 2014 #168

Haters gonna hate AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #189

Yeah...no. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #204

"BTW, you sign the petition against the Ugandan Law?" NealK Feb 2014 #210

The first was sarcasm misinterpreted for someone who actually wrote "Fuck Putin" in the post before. go west young man Feb 2014 #108

Theyre picking on you. A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #112

I have been reading all of these posts, but have not commented until now after reading your post louslobbs Feb 2014 #207

Thanks, Lou. We all have our blind spot A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #209

It was NOT gay bashing. It was MOCKING transgender individuals. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #116

Fair enough.. hidden. go west young man Feb 2014 #137

Hatred? Do you see it here at DU? I haven't. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #50

Why is condemning homophobia wrong? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #44

Of course you can condemn them get the red out Feb 2014 #47

In Russia, Tetris play you Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #52

How is it bashing pointing out the country's homophobia? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #53

genug already HERVEPA Feb 2014 #55

I think the response is proportionate to what is happening to the gays citizens of Russia. It's not okaawhatever Feb 2014 #61

Their anti-gay laws are an affront to all lgbt people. Morning Dew Feb 2014 #65

Russia should not be celebrated Notafraidtoo Feb 2014 #77

This sounds a lot like Ronald Reagan claiming that sanctions against South Africa . . . markpkessinger Feb 2014 #80

Since when is DU that influential? nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #86

See post #68 go west young man Feb 2014 #89

How many people need to die before criticizing the abusers is okay? icymist Feb 2014 #87

"Reignite the cold war" by calling out LGBT bigotry and hatred? Seriously? bluesbassman Feb 2014 #92

Speechless. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #100

Read the articles. go west young man Feb 2014 #111

No. Go away. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #113

Strong argument. go west young man Feb 2014 #143

Pathetic victim complex. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #144

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The issue is human rights. Our Constitution, despite our despicable RWNJs, forbids what is legal in freshwest Feb 2014 #128

I will go to my grave bashing Mother Russia. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #130

Mother Russia died in 1991. go west young man Feb 2014 #145

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And the same should go for the USA AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #190

Nowhere near Russia's. Not even close. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #191

Sure it is close AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #192

Alright, I must be missing the sarcasm tag. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #193

So you view American anti-LGBT hatred as exceptional AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #194

What the fuck are you talking about? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #198

Haters gonna hate AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #199

And trolls are going to put words in people's mouths. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #200

Haters always AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #205

3/4 of Russians do. .33 < .75 nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #197

Yet equally AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #208

Yeah, gay people are to blame for our own oppression. DemocraticWing Feb 2014 #152

After reading this thread, the only backfire I see is the OP! William769 Feb 2014 #156

Pooty, that you? HappyMe Feb 2014 #162

The gay bashing has backfired for Russia and the bullying has backfired for the OP Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #164

Threads like this are what Russian will end up seeing in their publications. go west young man Feb 2014 #171

Bigotry causes divisiveness. Stop siding with the bigots, nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #177

It's the approach I disagree with. go west young man Feb 2014 #179

your words: " I bet the MIC is loving the LGBT community right now." geek tragedy Feb 2014 #180

Seriously? Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #170

Read the articles. go west young man Feb 2014 #172

I'll save my sympathy for the LGBT victims being gang-raped by Russian straight thugs with bottles. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #174

You bashed LGBT people for advocating for their own damn human rights. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #175

You never did negate my points above go west young man Feb 2014 #178

I'm stopping posting on this subject now. go west young man Feb 2014 #181

You got your ass handed to you, and rightfully so. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #195

you used "skewed polls" without irony. that's funny. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #183

It's homophobic nonsense. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #196

Jesus H. Christ, man, we're almost out of wars! We gotta bash SOMEONE! Loaded Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #184

That kind of sucked to read. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #186

Uh....not remotely true. When S. Africa's apartheid was Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #201

To quote "Alvin Dark", from Jim Bouton's book "Ball Four" HERVEPA Feb 2014 #202

Pffft.....This is not a reaction to the anti-Russian sentiment that arose out of their anti-gay Swede Atlanta Feb 2014 #203

I think you did exceptionally well in this debate. A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #206

Lol! NealK Feb 2014 #211

The Unknown Putin: leader of the free world and saviour of russia brianct Feb 2014 #212

And demonize a politically powerless minority. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #214

demonisIng president Putin endanger america brianct Feb 2014 #217

Your buddy Putin is a homophobic jackass, Name Removed. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #226

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This is precious. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #232

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Embarrassed , the media tries damage control brianct Feb 2014 #213

I agree, there was a bit too much of the Ugly American flamingdem Feb 2014 #215

my letter to Cohen at Ottawacitizen on his still endoring and spreading the Putin-phobia steretypes brianct Feb 2014 #216

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I'm a progressive liberal yet people look down on me for being a citizen of Alabama. Redfairen Feb 2014 #230