General Discussion

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)

121. A Flood by defination

Reply to cthulu2016 (Reply #103)

Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:53 AM

Feb 2014

A flood is an overflow of water that submerges land which is usually dry

And many of these examples I give happened quite suddenly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland because of ice dams breaking. The Rain just adds drama to the story.

If and the data suggests it, a comet hit the north american ice sheet during the start of the Younger Dryas period, then that flooding would have been very fast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas

The Sumerian text and Indian Matsya Purana text are just the first written recordings of a flood. But oral history can go back further.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsya_Purana

Oddly enough a new Sumerian text has been found that is 1200years older than anything found before where they describe their ark as round which has the followers of the Noah story in a fit.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/01/25/world/ancient-script-says-noahs-ark-round/#.UvyEc2RdV2c

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2545494/Was-Noahs-Ark-ROUND-3-700-year-old-clay-tablet-reveals-boat-coracle-reeds-bitumen.html

http://www.muldersworld.com/photo.asp?id=13390

Flood Myths in many old world cultures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

The amount of coastal land mass lost during the rising of the seas is equal to the continent of South America.

A world wide flood happened to the people of the earth but not as the bible describes it.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

147 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Archaeologists: There are too many camels in the Bible, out of time and out of place [View all] TheMathieu Feb 2014 OP

But it is the word of "God" so it must be correct. Motown_Johnny Feb 2014 #1

If they just watched the history channel they would know camels are alien ghosts Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #6

Isn't that on Chanel #5 Motown_Johnny Feb 2014 #8

You might be right. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #49

. Motown_Johnny Feb 2014 #86

Space pictures show signs of a huge nuclear blast fadedrose Feb 2014 #67

Make a good novel. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #75

I love the title of this. justiceischeap Feb 2014 #2

Call it "When History meets Stupidity" . . . fadedrose Feb 2014 #77

Only one problem, no archaeologist ever said this. Coyotl Feb 2014 #88

I still love the title, nonetheless. :) nt. justiceischeap Feb 2014 #89

You mean they were at the manger....... Historic NY Feb 2014 #3

Did anyone ever think it WASN'T written or edited long after the events it narrates? frazzled Feb 2014 #4

Yes, virtually every Christian fundamentalist believes it's verified history. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2014 #10

Earliest known version here dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #12

Not as early as the "Twible"-- thucythucy Feb 2014 #50

Similarities between Sumerian myths and the first five books Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #100

Where I am from, that is LITERALLY what they believe. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #108

Sure, but this is the New York Times frazzled Feb 2014 #110

They didn't ride camels, they rode dinasaurs. Ken Ham told me so! Scuba Feb 2014 #5

Eh, neither: jsr Feb 2014 #9

ahhhhhhhhh!!!! tomm2thumbs Feb 2014 #24

LMFAO! How any could believe a T-Rex would not devour them JRLeft Feb 2014 #41

They claim the huge teeth weren't for eating meat, but JoeyT Feb 2014 #47

That is true. They used smaller dinosaurs for opening cans, though: Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #90

Just what are you trying to push on us? Anyone with any sense knows that picture can't be true. A Simple Game Feb 2014 #97

You know what everyone says about him, doncha Scuba? fadedrose Feb 2014 #76

Bible-thumpin' nutjob. Scuba Feb 2014 #85

I thought better of my post fadedrose Feb 2014 #87

What is most interesting to me is that this research came from Israel BlueStreak Feb 2014 #7

Your comments seem too broad brushed to me. Big Blue Marble Feb 2014 #15

In private, maybe, but from the pulpit, no. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #55

American Right Wing Christians are Authoritarians and GOD is the ULTIMATE boss.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #92

Cause the Patriarch did not exist nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #11

Oh, I can't wait for the day when my field disproves the rest of the bible. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #13

Maybe Abraham�s servant was smoking a Camel on a mission to find a wife for Isaac. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #14

Joe Camel, a Giant in Tobacco Marketing, Is Dead at 23 warrant46 Feb 2014 #29

Oh No, somebody let the camel out of the bag. N/T Big Blue Marble Feb 2014 #16

Genesis was oral tradition written down to chronicle events of millions of years before. freshwest Feb 2014 #17

The story of Lot, his wife and daughters is a ribald shaggy dog pun in Sumerian. aquart Feb 2014 #26

Well Noah itself went through a few interesting changes nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #32

Love that pic ! nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2014 #94

It is an internet meme classic nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #95

I always smile when I hear the Fundie argument... Wounded Bear Feb 2014 #109

odly they never bring up the one that matches the flood story nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #111

That's just not true... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #62

That's probably the LEAST of the problems with the "holy" bible snooper2 Feb 2014 #18

When was young rickyhall Feb 2014 #19

OT is not inspired word of God. It's what we've got from our past to lead us forward. aquart Feb 2014 #27

Lead us forward? The OT is one fucked-up book of twisted tales. Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #99

It's a lot of old folklore which is why an American Bible should include Paul Bunyan. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #93

There are also too many other modern contrivances jmowreader Feb 2014 #20

I think earrings are pretty old justiceischeap Feb 2014 #21

I think the point is dballance Feb 2014 #22

two thousand years ago, yes, absolutely nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #35

I've read that the exodus happened thucythucy Feb 2014 #52

Now I would like to read that about this small tribe nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #54

I'll have to dig this up for you. thucythucy Feb 2014 #58

Not a problem. And Homer's works and the Bible nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #64

Back again, at least for a bit. thucythucy Feb 2014 #79

See you again, and I agree with you on this nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #81

Yes they did. zeemike Feb 2014 #36

Certainly gold leaf was used in the days of King Tut Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #84

I'm sure the term 'camel' actually meant 'klondike bar' tomm2thumbs Feb 2014 #23

then what about cvoogt Feb 2014 #25

That is so interesting! nt cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #28

"So I guess the whole, Camel Through The Eye Of A Needle thing is false" thelordofhell Feb 2014 #30

Well by the time that parable was written they did have camels nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #33

There are some interesting interpretations of that bon mot. stopbush Feb 2014 #83

I always get a bitter laugh sammythecat Feb 2014 #131

Thanks both of you nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #135

That saying isn't really about the rich or indicting the rich. stopbush Feb 2014 #137

"Camels probably had little or no role in the lives of such early Jewish patriarchs " zeemike Feb 2014 #31

This is actually quite old. Have read similar things from back in the 1800's The Straight Story Feb 2014 #34

I have read many things like that before. zeemike Feb 2014 #39

Thing is, some people 'want' to believe something instead of wanting to find facts The Straight Story Feb 2014 #48

So have I...going back to the 60s. zeemike Feb 2014 #53

The Per-Ankh article about Moses is pretty speculative but touches on some key points. bklyncowgirl Feb 2014 #124

The more research done the more we find the patriarchs nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #37

Well if they have some facts I want to hear it. zeemike Feb 2014 #38

Yes they were domesticated nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #42

"the bone is probably a wild dromedary" zeemike Feb 2014 #44

That single document is the whole bible nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #45

I dislike having this conversation and that is why I stay out of the religious forum. zeemike Feb 2014 #46

So archeological evidence by damned nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #51

No evidence not be damned. zeemike Feb 2014 #59

It is not one bone nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #61

And the bone was "probably" a wild camel. zeemike Feb 2014 #70

Because domestic weight bearing camels nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #71

Well the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. zeemike Feb 2014 #73

Nope, you did nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #74

No I did not. zeemike Feb 2014 #78

Once again, have a wonderful day nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #80

Then I guess I was right...it does divide us. zeemike Feb 2014 #82

Nonsense. Post something that makes the bible "sound true". Please. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #128

TOS. zeemike Feb 2014 #136

And they should not expect people to "respect" their faith as in "validate" it Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #138

+1 . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #142

Cannibalism is pretty well accepted by archaeologists now in the southwest. bluedigger Feb 2014 #145

Yep it is all settled now...don't even think it is not. zeemike Feb 2014 #146

Thanks for all your posts in this thread. thucythucy Feb 2014 #56

Watch that video, it is mind blowing nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #57

Marked for later viewing. thucythucy Feb 2014 #60

+2. Thank you for all your posts in this thread. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #129

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #132

Science comfortable w uncertainty. Religionists demand certainty & priests stand ready to supply it. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #101

Well I am comfortable with uncertainty too zeemike Feb 2014 #113

The bible is false. We can be as certain of that as we are about the germ theory of disease. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #114

So you just confirmed what I said. zeemike Feb 2014 #116

Wrong Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #117

Young earth creationism and original sin are not in the bible. zeemike Feb 2014 #118

Correct, not in the bible, per se. Bible story of creation is still wrong. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #119

Wrong or an allegory? zeemike Feb 2014 #120

It's an allegory that is all wrong. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #123

Well I see you wish to escalate it with that last sentence. zeemike Feb 2014 #125

"camel technology had become common" snooper2 Feb 2014 #126

plus it's a rip-off of Borges! MisterP Feb 2014 #40

LMFAO more Lewis Black on creationism. JRLeft Feb 2014 #43

There is a lot of embelishment within and outside of the Bible. Xolodno Feb 2014 #63

This significant only to biblical literalists... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #65

Holy shit, it's just a book.. that's been re-"translated" and manipulated for centuries NightWatcher Feb 2014 #66

Ok one bone to pick with you nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #68

Fine, if you're going to be that way NightWatcher Feb 2014 #69

Hey feel free nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #72

Everyone knows the early Jewish patriarchs rode dinosaurs. KamaAina Feb 2014 #91

Now that IS a painting waiting to happen nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #96

Scientific evidence shows there was a Great World Flood Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #98

Isn't wikipedia just people's opinion? upaloopa Feb 2014 #102

Wrong. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #115

That is not a flood cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #103

A Flood by defination Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #121

Nearly all early human societies formed around rivers. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #105

There is no evidence of a worldwide flood that happened in the bible times. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #140

No there is no evidence of this nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #141

Some scholars claim the bible was written by Roman aristocrats NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #104

That is the NEW Testament nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #134

. jberryhill Feb 2014 #106

But...but...the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #107

Ham's head just exploded.... blackspade Feb 2014 #112

Maybe it was slaves in camel costumes. wheniwasincongress Feb 2014 #122

"The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a bloodstained history, a wealth of obscenity, and Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #127

following the History Channel - I would have to surmise that the camels were probably brought to Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #130

Thread winner!!!! nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #133

Hey, that makes as much sense as the Bible. Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #139

I Have Always... Found The Camels Questionable... WillyT Feb 2014 #143

Also, kilts were invented about 250 years after the events depicted in "Braveheart" Recursion Feb 2014 #144

Well, duh. It's fiction. They made shit up. ladyVet Feb 2014 #147