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In reply to the discussion: Marine Commandant Amos: "There are 144 same sex couples in Marine Corps" [View all]Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)23. You really think only 4 out of 100 americans are LGBT?
Last edited Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:46 PM - Edit history (1)
You have heard the term "in the closet", how do you measure what doesn't exist.
Being suspicious of statistics and polling around a controversial topic is common sense.
According to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research, about 20 percent of the population is attracted to their own gender. Thats nearly double the usual estimates of about 10 percent. The authors explain that their methodology might have something to do with it:
Essentially, using a veiled question rather than a direct one uncovered a whole group of people who would not directly say they werent heterosexual. This kind of veiled questioning can get at all sorts of answers that people dont want to give, like the incidence of rape. Daniel Luzer at Pacific Standard explains that uncovering these hidden biases is really important for understanding how accurate these kinds of surveys actually are:
Participants were randomly assigned to either a best practices method that was computer-based and provides privacy and anonymity, or to a veiled elicitation method that further conceals individual responses. Answers in the veiled method preclude inference about any particular individual, but can be used to accurately estimate statistics about the population. Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial. The veiled method increased self-reports of non-heterosexual identity by 65% (p<0.05) and same-sex sexual experiences by 59% (p<0.01). The veiled method also increased the rates of anti-gay sentiment. Respondents were 67% more likely to express disapproval of an openly gay manager at work (p<0.01) and 71% more likely to say it is okay to discriminate against lesbian, gay, or bisexual individuals (p<0.01).
Essentially, using a veiled question rather than a direct one uncovered a whole group of people who would not directly say they werent heterosexual. This kind of veiled questioning can get at all sorts of answers that people dont want to give, like the incidence of rape. Daniel Luzer at Pacific Standard explains that uncovering these hidden biases is really important for understanding how accurate these kinds of surveys actually are:
The most important takeaway isnt a final tally of the gay people in society, but, rather, an understanding of the ways in which surveys and other existing attempts to measure such things might be slightly misleading. The results show non-heterosexuality and anti-gay sentiment are substantially underestimated in existing surveys, and the privacy afforded by current best practices is not always sufficient to eliminate bias, note the researchers, who were just looking at the way surveys might under-count both homosexuality and attitudes toward homosexuality.
Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-percent-of-the-population-is-gay-more-than-you-think-5012467
There are more of us than you believe.
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Marine Commandant Amos: "There are 144 same sex couples in Marine Corps" [View all]
Bucky
Feb 2014
OP
And 85% of the Marines are ages 26and younger. That age doesn't get married like they used to.
haele
Feb 2014
#24
Well if they have 144 couples that would have no impact whatsoever on the overall budget.
former9thward
Feb 2014
#14
But his point is that the Marines are institutionally cool with same sex couples.
Bucky
Feb 2014
#17