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haele

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24. And 85% of the Marines are ages 26and younger. That age doesn't get married like they used to.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:17 PM
Feb 2014

144 marriages are not the same as 144 relationships. And not every gay (or straight) service person has the time or interest for a relationship to begin with - so that 144 marriages between gay or lesbian service members within one year is pretty impressive.

Also, remember - some of those now able to be openly gay or lesbian service members might have been (or still be in) a "heterosexual" marriages or for pay purposes.
People forget - closeted gay and lesbian service members have historically just "hooked up" in marriages or long term "relationships" for the married pay benefits and "protection" as, with the understanding of what it was, relationships like that allowed them to seek other preferred partners on the side with no problem to the "spouse" or "S.O.".
Some of those, through friendship and trust, may still be okay with that arrangement or the benefits such a relationship might bring them personally, and won't change that any time soon.
FWIW, I knew two couples at my command like that who shared BAQ/VHA, a large house, and "partners" when I was active duty back in the late 1980's. A lot of people knew they were two committed pairs of gay men and lesbians, but as long as the military halves of that group relationship did their jobs and didn't bring on the drama, who cared?

In the military, with deployments and duty separation hanging over heads, young people don't get married very often, and relationships tend to break up after 2/3 years as soon as someone gets assigned somewhere else.
There still is a rule of thumb many unmarried people in the military go by - if you get transferred someplace and your S.O. is also in the military, expect to break up within 6 months.
It's not as bad for married people, but I work with military personnel, and I haven't heard that the term "West Pac Widow" has gone extinct, and relationship problems/divorce are still a significant morale issue amongst the jr. enlisted.

Haele

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Your thread title is misleading and unfairly defamatory to Amos. anasv Feb 2014 #1
humorless people Bucky Feb 2014 #3
um, the title/headline is more than a little misleading nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #2
ridiculous complaint Bucky Feb 2014 #4
i clicked on it thinking it was a story about homophobic comments nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #5
I think it was intended as a play on the number 144 (a gross) pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #6
Exactly my point. You immediately saw that he was reporting facts Bucky Feb 2014 #8
no, because i was thinking this doesn't seem like him. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #9
+1 n/t FreeState Feb 2014 #11
Considering there are 241031 marines.. Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #7
Where in the article did it mention that...... Historic NY Feb 2014 #13
What is speculation... Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #15
Big problem with your logic Bucky Feb 2014 #16
10% is generally accepted LGBT rate... Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #18
no, not really, it's like 3.8%, probably half that for the military snooper2 Feb 2014 #19
4 out of hundred...ya right Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #20
mkay..no need to argue about it..doesn't matter if .001% or 63.2% snooper2 Feb 2014 #21
You really think only 4 out of 100 americans are LGBT? Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #23
And 85% of the Marines are ages 26and younger. That age doesn't get married like they used to. haele Feb 2014 #24
Very interesting... Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #26
Why are they counting this? former9thward Feb 2014 #10
Pay and benifit purposes Revanchist Feb 2014 #12
Well if they have 144 couples that would have no impact whatsoever on the overall budget. former9thward Feb 2014 #14
But his point is that the Marines are institutionally cool with same sex couples. Bucky Feb 2014 #17
they count it for all couples. I was answering your question Revanchist Feb 2014 #22
Why separate it? former9thward Feb 2014 #25
Because somewhere along the line... DonViejo Feb 2014 #27
And he should say "I have no idea". former9thward Feb 2014 #29
Except the military keeps records about how many African Americans, Asians, DonViejo Feb 2014 #32
You don't think it's relevant to e.g. recruitment? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #35
Its not a significant number. former9thward Feb 2014 #36
Not yet, true. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #37
I think the General was making a point. Revanchist Feb 2014 #33
Actually, it does. Married Pay, Married rations, and spousal benefits. Spouses get VA benefits. haele Feb 2014 #28
There are 241,000 Marines. former9thward Feb 2014 #30
Benefits and leave allocation... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #34
I was Army, not USMC, but as far as women in combat positions, Aristus Feb 2014 #31
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