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In reply to the discussion: Bill Clinton and Republicans promised NAFTA would create jobs.. [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)39. Why do you think there is a time limit on the benefits? The "bust" was due to
a conservative republican president and his policies from 2001 on. If you cut taxes for the rich, deregulate corporations and shred the safety net that is going to decimate middle class wages no matter what the benefits of trade.
And now our wages are not much better than in 1995.
And in 1993 our wages were no better than they were in 1973. Was that NAFTA's fault, too?
Worst of all, jobs in the US today are more often service jobs than they were before NAFTA.
True but since manufacturing employment in the US has been declining since the mid-1950's (and in every developed country in the world), I'm not sure how you can blame that on NAFTA.
Do we want maybe 10 years of boom followed by a bust?
Of course not. The "boom" in other developed countries has not been followed by a bust. I contend that our "bust" was caused by conservative republican policies after 2001. To contend that the "bust" was a natural phenomenon after the "boom" let's Bush dodge responsibility for that "bust". I give him no such pass.
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Bill Clinton and Republicans promised NAFTA would create jobs.. [View all]
livingwagenow
Feb 2014
OP
So a modified "US only" embargo? Should we put tariffs on Cuba when the embargo is removed?
pampango
Feb 2014
#19
According to the bureau of Labor Statistics, Clinton holds the record for jobs created
Agnosticsherbet
Feb 2014
#5
Record jobs were created. Wages rose. -- He was just lucky. Democratic presidents just can't win. ;)
pampango
Feb 2014
#15
It's a simple question, "did employment and wages go up or down after NAFTA"?
Recursion
Feb 2014
#21
Because most entry level manufacturing jobs were outsourced, leaving older, more skilled workers
Romulox
Feb 2014
#29
Yup. And the entry-level people found higher paying jobs outside of manufacturing
Recursion
Feb 2014
#42
At much reduced rates of pay. You seem to forget that the past leads us to this point.
Romulox
Feb 2014
#71
Those charts don't speak to the 1,000,000 manufacturing jobs lost since NAFTA, MFN China.
Romulox
Feb 2014
#28
You aren't an honest debater. Manufacturing employment is down by almost 1,000,000.
Romulox
Feb 2014
#72
That never passed the smell test and they dropped that claim like a hot potato, switching their meme
Populist_Prole
Feb 2014
#8
The real power of NAFTA: it lowered wages for 20 years before it was enacted. And manufacturing jobs
pampango
Feb 2014
#13
Great link. Shows that AHI increased more in the 7 years after NAFTA than in the 20 years before it.
pampango
Feb 2014
#36
Poorly paid manufacturing workers in right-to-work states are not going to support our economy
pampango
Feb 2014
#56
As is typical, Perot was a republican politician who used existing trends to fear-monger.
pampango
Feb 2014
#20
He was correct, and Al Gore/Bill Clinton/CATO institute/Heritage/Pampango were wrong.
Romulox
Feb 2014
#27
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L0oniX
Feb 2014
#45
Record numbers of American jobs were created under Clinton and he is scorned for NAFTA.
pampango
Feb 2014
#58
In terms of annual percentage increase, the best job-creation presidencies were:
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#62