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Rosa Luxemburg

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143. I get to school at 6.45 am and I stay late then

Thu Feb 13, 2014, 09:34 PM

Feb 2014

I am working most of the evening and weekends. Below minimum wage. We are expected to do this.

Try teaching and it will change your mind.

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We Shouldn't Reward Teachers ... [View all] Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 OP

Teachers are paid very well and given tremendous respect... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #1

Tremendous respect? sharp_stick Feb 2014 #3

I like the part where he says they are paid -very- well. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #4

Yeah, because they are. Them's the facts... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #17

I wish you would put me on ignore. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #18

*HUGS* Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #27

You are out of your mind. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #34

Here are the facts... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #89

Epic benefits? mcar Feb 2014 #92

You are still out of your mind. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #94

Health insurance, sick days, vacation, pensions, unions, tenure, months off ever year... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #99

You call these benefits epic? titaniumsalute Feb 2014 #110

After reading his posts Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #104

I do NOT like the race to the bottom, and teachers are not even in the race... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #112

You didn't have a good teacher did you? Aerows Feb 2014 #96

Good enough to teach me about Ad Hominem arguments. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #98

Not well enough, actually n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #103

The total hours that we actually work brings us lower than minimum wage Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2014 #144

OMG $45K/YR! EPIC!!!! JaneyVee Feb 2014 #151

Do you have a link to support your claims? cyberswede Feb 2014 #29

I'm sure they have a lovely anecdote all ready jeff47 Feb 2014 #32

I'm guessing there's no link to support the claim. MADem Feb 2014 #51

I hope ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #57

oops... cyberswede Feb 2014 #65

It's a common error ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #76

I quit reading when the link tried to equate teaching to public accounting joeglow3 Feb 2014 #66

Do you mean the first article? cyberswede Feb 2014 #71

I addressed that joeglow3 Feb 2014 #79

Using "homework" hours doesn't count... IllinoisBirdWatcher Feb 2014 #75

I agree with the top number joeglow3 Feb 2014 #80

People do not understand that for every hour spent in the classroom with students, JDPriestly Feb 2014 #67

I was just thinking about that the other day. senseandsensibility Feb 2014 #93

Are you kidding me? spartan61 Feb 2014 #56

That's why Unions are good for America. Maedhros Feb 2014 #74

120K/yr? Really One_Life_To_Give Feb 2014 #85

Bullshit. LWolf Feb 2014 #107

Please cite your sources for this titaniumsalute Feb 2014 #109

His source is his ass... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #113

LOL...I gave you a big fat HEART for that comment... titaniumsalute Feb 2014 #115

Well thank you... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #119

NO worries my friend titaniumsalute Feb 2014 #125

And peace to you. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #129

I'm curious to know where you live... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #124

I get to school at 6.45 am and I stay late then Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2014 #143

You have some shitty friends joeglow3 Feb 2014 #5

Friends? sharp_stick Feb 2014 #11

Well, duh joeglow3 Feb 2014 #14

Hey!!! nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #38

I think the vast majority respect teachers... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #15

I guess that depends on sharp_stick Feb 2014 #35

No they don't. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #37

The closer you get to a teacher the more respect you probably will give them But kmlisle Feb 2014 #60

Paid well? Seriously? Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #7

paid -very- well and given -tremendous- respect ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #9

Are you in the US? cyberswede Feb 2014 #16

thank you cyberswede. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #22

On that note... malthaussen Feb 2014 #41

If that rule were applied to a lot of parents, the parents would be forced into starvation. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #68

It's hard to produce results without the proper tools. reusrename Feb 2014 #21

You forgot the sarcasm thingie. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #26

Sorry but you don't know squat about teaching. upaloopa Feb 2014 #28

How much is very well? roody Feb 2014 #44

That's bullshit HERVEPA Feb 2014 #47

I was paid $25K a year when I taught high school. WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #48

But gee, Bill, wasn't that like, 1930? malthaussen Feb 2014 #54

The average american teacher, regardless the state, earns high 40's. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #100

In LA most teachers have graduate degrees, but they are not paid nearly as well as other JDPriestly Feb 2014 #63

Tremendous respect for those who deserve it. Kablooie Feb 2014 #77

Snork! Squinch Feb 2014 #88

Teachers used to get tremendous respect DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #97

I made more money driving a truck than my son does teaching high school. B Calm Feb 2014 #108

Just because you are getting pissed on... hunter Feb 2014 #120

Yes! It's not the fault of teachers that other professions aren't unionized. cyberswede Feb 2014 #123

This is such an important point. And, teachers a losing much that they had Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #152

No, teachers are being used as scapegoats. madfloridian Feb 2014 #126

You have no idea of which you speak. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #127

holy shit Kali Feb 2014 #130

Yes and no Recursion Feb 2014 #131

I wish that I was paid very well but Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2014 #139

Do you work for the Heritage Foundation? Initech Feb 2014 #150

When we can throw them under the Bus? One_Life_To_Give Feb 2014 #2

Why Johnny can't read? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #69

Plus 1,000 Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #122

Thank you gopiscrap Feb 2014 #6

and You are welcome on behalf of my brother and his wife who are both teachers Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #8

It's amazing the shit she has to put up with gopiscrap Feb 2014 #10

I disagree FreeJoe Feb 2014 #12

semantics. reward as opposed to EARNED. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #13

I don't disagree that ... FreeJoe Feb 2014 #20

ugh. please put me on ignore. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #24

How the hell are you going to measure it. Test scores??? Give me a break. HERVEPA Feb 2014 #49

Lets see if you can guess how my job performance is measured. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #136

And how... Red State Prisoner Feb 2014 #83

And how are you going to determine that? Test scores? Say Johnny Squinch Feb 2014 #90

If you can't determine that, why does it matter who teaches? Recursion Feb 2014 #133

You have missed the point. I am not saying that there is no way to judge a teacher by Squinch Feb 2014 #134

Well, personally I've never dealt with a merit pay model as simplistic as you describe Recursion Feb 2014 #141

See my reply to your other post. It's not easy to fix it when those who are in a position Squinch Feb 2014 #146

A reward is something optional el_bryanto Feb 2014 #19

Problem - define "teaching well". Teaching is not a production line. haele Feb 2014 #52

Your post is very well thought out and expressed. senseandsensibility Feb 2014 #64

Great post Chiquitita Feb 2014 #81

Then what are teachers paid for? The2ndWheel Feb 2014 #84

No one can define "parenting well" either. Good parents have bad kids, and vice versa. haele Feb 2014 #87

Very true. Nobody is trying to figure out what to pay parents though The2ndWheel Feb 2014 #114

Thank you FreeJoe Feb 2014 #105

The issue I have is that due to budgeting, the administrations almost always use student performance haele Feb 2014 #121

Allow me to explain why it "isn't easy:" LWolf Feb 2014 #111

Most teachers are disillusioned Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2014 #142

My wife retired after 31+ years of teaching and Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #23

I don't have a problem with paying great teachers better than poor teachers. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #25

Please, put me on ignore. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #30

I've never used Ignore and never will. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #31

I am so glad nothing anyone says to you online upsets you the slightest. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #36

Measured how???? HERVEPA Feb 2014 #50

Asking that question validates the principle... malthaussen Feb 2014 #53

Agree. That was actually my point. No good way to measure. HERVEPA Feb 2014 #73

Here is one example of how it can be done: Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #58

Yuck and Yuck HERVEPA Feb 2014 #72

Hmm... Still problems with that method haele Feb 2014 #78

So... the "boring" teachers will do what, exactly, to get their hands on that "reward"? Smarmie Doofus Feb 2014 #59

Do you think it is possible for poor teachers to improve themselves? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #61

Dang me! malthaussen Feb 2014 #33

I had ONE "bad" teacher. Out of 15+ years of school. ONE. raven mad Feb 2014 #39

In 4th grade, I had one that was absolutely loony tunes. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #42

thank you for sharing that Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #43

Agreed. Merit pay is a horrible policy. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #40

yes. thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #45

Besides, "merit" pay brings in the question of evaluation... malthaussen Feb 2014 #46

How about this? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #62

Looks to me like about 1/2 of Jackson's schools were considered to be performing badly Squinch Feb 2014 #91

Then why does it matter who teaches? Recursion Feb 2014 #132

I dunno, how do you "rate" a physician? malthaussen Feb 2014 #135

Well, quite a few of those are rated by outcomes Recursion Feb 2014 #138

It isn't that you can't come up with a way to do that, it's that the people who never set foot in a Squinch Feb 2014 #137

Then fix that. Hell, every system I've seen already fixes that. Recursion Feb 2014 #140

Teachers and teachers unions are not in a position to fix it. There are literally billions Squinch Feb 2014 #145

Fair point, but you do have to remember the context here Recursion Feb 2014 #147

The world of education today bears little resemblence to the world that Squinch Feb 2014 #148

One more observation about this: you describe Squinch Feb 2014 #149

Don't forget the administrators and school boards teachers have to put up with, too. RC Feb 2014 #55

All I can add is.... charlives Feb 2014 #70

k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #82

Yeah, we don't do that very well in this country, do we? stillwaiting Feb 2014 #86

Any "Democrat" that disparages teachers Aerows Feb 2014 #95

Thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #102

I started teaching in 1971 49jim Feb 2014 #101

'71 here, also! Same salary in PA, 50 miles N. of Philly. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #128

Thank you. nt LWolf Feb 2014 #106

Maybe we should call them babysitters. justgamma Feb 2014 #116

! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #117

K & R ctsnowman Feb 2014 #118