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AtheistCrusader

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147. Are you fucking serious.

Fri Feb 14, 2014, 09:46 AM

Feb 2014

To dismiss the active lobbying and legislative interference of a tax free religious org in our national politics?

This isn't just about 'the pope', it's about the RCC itself, en total. About their institutionalized dogma about women, marriage, you name it. They spend MILLIONS on our elections, trying to imbue our LAWS with their religious morality. The hoarding of wealth, tax free, worldwide is actually a small side issue.

If that church would take interference in our LAWS on social issues off the table, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me anymore on them.

This isn't about your dismissive bullshit about wings and a halo.
The pope is in a position to change the church's opposition to same sex marriage. Opposition to physician assisted suicide. Opposition to abortion, to family planning, etc.

I'm not asking him to tell catholics to go ahead and do all these things themselves, but he is certainly in a position to instruct the various churches under him to stop donating, stop interfering in our politics.

You want to belong to an org with a compulsion against abortion? Fine. All yours. Go for it. But don't lobby and campaign and spend on changing laws for EVERYONE, catholic or not.

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He's absolutley right gopiscrap Feb 2014 #5

Tears in my eyes. So few people grasp how anti-life and anti-human the economic system is. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #6

Thank you. I cry, too. hamsterjill Feb 2014 #26

As a former Catholic, HockeyMom Feb 2014 #7

Institutionalized bigotry is one of the root causes of poverty and income inequality theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #8

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Really? theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #52

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You mean like this? theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #121

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Curse you! AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #149

What facts? theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #163

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"billionaire bishops" This is a nutty idea. nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #95

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I agree with you, and have a similar background, and will never go back to the church, but still, Squinch Feb 2014 #32

Hey, HockeyMom - I couldn't agree more! calimary Feb 2014 #46

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Can you do any better than hyperbole? pnwmom Feb 2014 #24

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Great idea. zeemike Feb 2014 #100

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The catholic church IS a sovereign country itself. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #47

The very people that say you should do what you can Aerows Feb 2014 #50

You said it. Beacool Feb 2014 #140

Funny, what I find tiresome is the Church's centuries of oppression. Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #162

And of course this Pope is at fault. Beacool Feb 2014 #164

He has echoed anti-gay, anti-women dogma of the Church. Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #167

Might as well not stop with the Smithsonian, how about all the museums? olegramps Feb 2014 #37

I am having a hard time with your rationalization. First I dont believe Jesus would approve rhett o rick Feb 2014 #98

The Vatican IS a museum. Beacool Feb 2014 #99

Even when they acquired that wealth by extorting it from the poor? Ill gotten wealth doesnt get rhett o rick Feb 2014 #102

All great wealth was gotten by extorting the poor. zeemike Feb 2014 #106

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Beacool, you must realize that we have on DU a few who dwell on the same No Vested Interest Feb 2014 #138

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Good pic. They should be called out: freshwest Feb 2014 #36

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I'm gay and female Aerows Feb 2014 #45

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Nope Aerows Feb 2014 #57

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Not only lobbying against contraception and abortion... theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #63

Bullshit Aerows Feb 2014 #65

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I'm sorry Aerows Feb 2014 #75

We were talking about fiscal issues. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #82

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #146

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This article summed it up for me theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #59

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That's not a legitimate reply theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #89

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That's my Pope.! 840high Feb 2014 #66

I'm a Buddhist now and will never be Catholic again, but I LOOOOOOOOOOVE this guy!! DesertDiamond Feb 2014 #67

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du rec. xchrom Feb 2014 #78

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...and he has no idea how that could have happened.... Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #88

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Is it too late to establish residency in the U.S. for him to run for president? Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #97

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We'll Americanize him. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #104

Sorry. Still not funny. theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #105

It would not surprise me if this Pope were to make a positive stand on those issues as well. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #109

He's an old man with a long career you could learn about. In Argentina he was so stridently Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #115

That definitely sounds like opinions from someone who is still living in a medieval era. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #116

It's comments like this that make it neccessary to respond with facts Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #107

I, of course, do not support him on those issues. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #110

You give him 'time' I'll give him my opinion that he's a hypocrite in service to hate and Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #113

You are entitled to that opinion. It is a valid one. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #114

Oh, gee thanks for your permission! Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #117

See post #76. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #126

Anti-gay and anti-abortion leader? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #125

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No human purpose. Octafish Feb 2014 #127

I'm not even religious and I love this Pope. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #130

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... says the Vatican!!! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #143

What will saint Francis do... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #144

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Yes, and it might turn out to be helpful to the human race. nt ladjf Feb 2014 #153

I never said it was a bad thing. Arkana Feb 2014 #154

I never thought you meant that it was a "bad thing". We agree. ladjf Feb 2014 #155

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Francis, keep on saying good things. I'm not a friend ladjf Feb 2014 #152

'And please make sure to visit the St. Peter's Basilica Gift Shop at the conclusion of your tour'... SidDithers Feb 2014 #157

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