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In reply to the discussion: WTF is wrong with that Dunn jury? [View all]TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I don't know why anyone thinks that this jury is taking so long. They aren't. There are 34 pages of jury instructions and a TON of charges they have to consider as well as go through all the evidence a lot of which is technical. It's never a matter of is the defendant guilty or not, it's always is the defendant guilty and if so to which charge and why and does that comply with the legal instructions.
Technical evidence can be difficult and time consuming to go over just so that everyone on the jury even understands its meaning since jurors are lay people likely without previous technical knowledge to easily understand what the meaning of certain technical evidence even is. And let's face it, there are going to be people on any jury that may not be as intelligent as we'd like and may not grasp certain concepts as easily as others.
There was a ton of witness testimony that also needs to be gone over and evaluated, noting any discrepancies and what those discrepancies mean. There are over 200 exhibits that need to be understood and evaluated by all 12 members. And somehow they all have to come to unanimous agreement as to every charge.
I would hope that anyone here would WANT any jury in any case to do what they were sworn to do and take whatever amount of time is needed to go over all the evidence, make sure everyone understands it all, and apply it correctly to the legal instructions in order to come up with a verdict they believe is the correct one over and above their gut feelings or prejudices.
I find it really disgusting that so many people here have been trashing these jurors calling them stupid or bigots or morons when hands down they know FAR more than anyone else about this case including those of us who have watched all of the live trial coverage, and expect them to take a mere few hours to come up with a verdict. A mere few hours means they DIDN'T do their job correctly and DIDN'T take their oath seriously.
I would hope that anyone here would WANT any jury to take their oath seriously and take the time necessary to do their job correctly and thoroughly as concerns any defendant - you'd certainly want them to if YOU were in that defendant seat.
It's also very telling that the ones here screaming the loudest about the jury taking too long and that they must be bigots or stupid are also the ones that have NOT watched all the trial testimony nor know what all the evidence is or what it means nor know what all the charges are and how they legally apply.
I've also seen FAR more bigotry from people on DU toward the jury members regardless of their race than that toward the defendant himself calling them all stupid and gun loving, black people hating bigots just because they live in Florida and without knowing a single thing about a single one of them just because of being impatient for the verdict and the one they personally want regardless of the evidence and the law and without even knowing what all the evidence is or what it means or even what all the charges are. It's fucking disgraceful.
Our judicial system is already such a sham, and the very LAST thing I would ever want in ANY case is for any jury to not take their oath seriously and do their sworn duty in taking whatever amount of time they need to thoroughly process all the information they have sworn to do as I would certainly want were it me sitting in that defendant's chair. My gut feelings or prejudices don't enter into this verdict anymore than anyone else's here, and I and everyone else here are LUCKY that it isn't us that has had to be sequestered away from our lives getting a sore ass from having to sit day after day in that courtroom and all the while not being allowed to ask any questions or say a single word to anyone about anything having to do with the case. Not to mention that I and anyone else here would be furiously insulted to know that anyone that has little knowledge about the case and zero involvement in it would be saying such ugly bigoted and irrational things about us publicly.
SHAME ON YOU.