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In reply to the discussion: WTF is wrong with that Dunn jury? [View all]TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I guess Florida courtrooms are normally empty with no trials taking place and their jails must be either empty or non-existent. Let's judge the entire state judicial system based on a whopping two trials that frankly in both cases the prosecution did a piss poor job on and where there was scant evidence and scant if any witnesses and where hands were tied by jury instructions. The prosecution in the Zimmerman case was so terrible I'm convinced they threw the case on purpose. In the Anthony case it couldn't even be determined how the child died much less whether or not it was a homicide.
Every single case is different, and every single jury is different. The Dunn case has a boatload of evidence, independent witnesses not one of which corroborates Dunn's multiple stories as well as his own fiance (the DEFENDANT'S witness) on rebuttal show that he lied about certain vital aspects of the case. Further, unlike the Anthony and Zimmerman cases, Dunn took the stand to his own detriment where he showed that he was utterly unremorseful crying over his dog but not the kid he killed and the others he terrified and more importantly LIED in the courtroom to the jury under oath.
To chastise a jury who has not yet even rendered any verdict as being stupid and bigoted and taking too long is the very height of bigotry when they are taking that time as they are REQUIRED to do in order to do all that they are REQUIRED to do in reviewing and understanding all of the evidence and testimony and must make decisions unanimously on many charges according to the 34 pages of legal instructions as they are REQUIRED to do and until deliberations began were not permitted to ask any questions, clarify any misunderstandings or even mention anything at ALL about the case to even each other. This is NOT a long time they are taking at this point, and should be commended for actually DOING what they swore an oath to do unlike some other juries we've seen that did not and is a spit in the ocean compared to all the cases that the state tries that we have no knowledge of.
This jury holds a person's life in their hands with their decision, and they bloody well SHOULD take whatever time is necessary to come to what they tried their very best to achieve the correct verdict under the law.
"We will see if one cranky sorta racist old military/ LEO type hangs this up- but we all know that is what the defense is hoping for, and needs."
Way to get your own bigotry on there. You know this guy? You're just going to condemn this guy you know absolutely nothing about that he's a cranky old person that's a bigot and is likely to hang up the jury in a guilty verdict? Did it not occur to you that a guy with a military background knows more about firearms and their use and when it is proper to use them and when it isn't and knows what is instinctual that a person would feel and do when when is pointed at them like duck for cover instead of get out of their car and make a huge target of themselves like Dunn did? That they would not turn their back on someone right in front of them with a gun in order to open their glove compartment, get their gun out, take it out of the holster, rack the slide and then turn and fire believing that this person a scant few feet from them with a shotgun is going to just WAIT for him to do all that and allow themselves to be shot? That the person allegedly having a shotgun would actually get out of the car to shoot at him in broad daylight in front of a store busy with people coming and going and wouldn't shoot him from inside the car that had tinted windows so that he'd have a better chance of escape as well as hiding his identity? That he would not likely shoot him when there was no driver in the car to make an escape? Of all the people on the jury it's this guy that without knowing shit about him you decided is a cranky old gun lover bigot that will likely hang up the jury that knows more than the others what a person does and does NOT do instinctively when a gun is pointed at them and what they would do and would NOT do instinctively were they the person with a shotgun.
Let's not forget that it's those alleged gun happy LEO's that hammered Dunn during his interrogation about these very same issues showing him up as a liar and who knew he was full of shit and guilty of murder who were up all night working the case, took the case to the prosecutor's office, testified in court against him, but oh they must be just the only LEO's on the entire planet that are the "good" ones.
More evidence of the most ridiculously bigoted people are right here on DU pointing the bigotry finger at a jury they know jack shit about and making erroneous claims that this one in particular is a "cranky racist" that's going to be trying to hang up the jury because of prejudices your OWN bigotry assigned him with.
SHAME ON YOU, TOO.