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JustAnotherGen

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147. bettyellen - I've read the exchange with Torch below . . .

Sat Feb 15, 2014, 10:10 AM

Feb 2014

And I KNOW you have a good heart. But - My husband has pointed out that Dunn has no military background - and he's (my husband) banking on the the former military man to be a stand up guy on this. Here's why -

My husband was a tactical sharp shooter in the Italian marines. It's the six pounds of pressure on every shot that has got him over a barrel. That's deliberate. And any man who has been trained to shoot his gun (his unit when he was stationed in Italy shared training with American marines and he had a LOT of interaction with American soldiers) for his country - any country - Will see that.

I don't know if I can translate his technical gun speak - he showed me with an unloaded .38 last night. And yes - he checked, double checked, and triple checked before we went outside to do this - -that pressure is deliberate and forceful. If a UN peacekeeper is applying that pressure (part of his years of service) it's because you are in serious trouble and you better be deliberate and do no harm to any civilians.

In his mind (and this may come off sexist but he was die hard) - this 'candy ass little boy' had no business having a gun in the first place, and that former military guy is going to see that six pounds of pressure.

I know we have some very pro-gun folks at DU who are probably very shamed by this man's behavior - I hope they are. But they KNOW what Giovanni is talking about.

Six pounds of pressure with my hands and wrists with him wrapping his hands around mine is very very deliberate. It's also very very calm. And very very pointed. The former military juror is going to see that.

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WTF is wrong with that Dunn jury? [View all] ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 OP

And you'll think they're brilliant if they convict B2G Feb 2014 #1

That's my whole point! ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #4

Oh come on yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #10

No, they were in all day yesterday and the full morning before. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #16

Longer than Zimmermann. yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #33

longer than Zimmermann, longer than Casey Anthony. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #37

Oh My God! yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #40

hopefully yours will be working by the end of the day, along geek tragedy Feb 2014 #56

I just can't believe their first vote didn't settle it. I've never seen a more cut and dried public ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #27

Much as with the Zimmerman case, I ask myself what would have happened if Dunn had RKP5637 Feb 2014 #92

no, they'll have grasped the obvious if they convict on murder. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #17

Mr. Expert, How many murder juries have you served on? former9thward Feb 2014 #66

and that has what to do with what? any non-white supremacist can look at the facts geek tragedy Feb 2014 #67

That simple minded answer shows why you would never serve on a jury. former9thward Feb 2014 #72

You don't see this as an obvious case of guilt? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #73

As a lawyer I know not to follow cases over the internet. former9thward Feb 2014 #76

translation: you don't think Dunn is guilty. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #79

I just told you the entire trial was not televised. former9thward Feb 2014 #83

There's overwhelming and indisputable proof of guilt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #94

Anyone could have seen everything the jurors saw. pintobean Feb 2014 #103

The public actually sees more evidence than the jury because some evidence gets precluded. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #148

you have no idea how much others here know- honestly jurors miss a fuck ton all the time. bettyellen Feb 2014 #108

Then lets do trials by internet mob. former9thward Feb 2014 #126

"Mob"? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #132

The poster who I was replying to said ordinary jurors were idiots. former9thward Feb 2014 #136

Ok Mr. Attorney, do y'all put words in peoples words or just you? rustydog Feb 2014 #159

"Stupid Florida jury fucks" former9thward Feb 2014 #169

This ^^^^ nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #85

" If this was a slam dunk case" where would it have gone? bettyellen Feb 2014 #100

Why would I be "pissed off" about what anyone thinks about his stories? former9thward Feb 2014 #130

"If this was a slam dunk case"- please clarify, bettyellen Feb 2014 #158

Slam dunk cases settle. former9thward Feb 2014 #167

Thank you. 840high Feb 2014 #128

"a Roman circus"? Let your opinion out with that one. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #131

Do you favor mob rule? former9thward Feb 2014 #133

No. But then again, I haven't read anyone calling for it. Only YOU are characterizing opposing WinkyDink Feb 2014 #138

I see posts attacking our juror system. former9thward Feb 2014 #139

You need reading comprehension. Nobody is "attacking our juror" SYSTEM. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #154

You are an attorney? really rustydog Feb 2014 #160

No matter what I say you will say 'Anybody can say anything on the internet.' former9thward Feb 2014 #168

No. But I don't favor "white man privilege" rule, either. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #151

Do you mean like OJ Simpson? Bonduel Feb 2014 #173

No. More like Trayvon Martin. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #174

So you're saying a jury would see "pre-trial motions, thucythucy Feb 2014 #152

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #86

I understand. former9thward Feb 2014 #90

One day we can trade horror stories ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #96

Now part of your reply makes some sense! rustydog Feb 2014 #161

Respectfully, it is clear you have never served on a jury in a murder case..... Swede Atlanta Feb 2014 #82

i work plaintiff's side, presuming innocence not my strong point geek tragedy Feb 2014 #84

+1. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #88

Thank you for a thoughtful post and for your thoughtful service in our judicial system. X_Digger Feb 2014 #101

Thanks. Due process don't get no respect. nt Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #122

I wonder what sort of instructions the judge gave them Warpy Feb 2014 #2

Let's not jump to conclusions. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #6

The word "could" indicates speculation Warpy Feb 2014 #9

hung jury seems most likely--when you have an obvious case of guilt with really geek tragedy Feb 2014 #30

A hung jury would be bad but not a worst case scenario. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #43

worst case would be acquittal, which would necessitate a federal geek tragedy Feb 2014 #47

Biggest mistake by the Zimmerman prosecution team: Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #60

though, in fairness, if a juror consciously determines to lie their way onto a jury, tough geek tragedy Feb 2014 #62

Happened in a DWI manslaughter case down here. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #64

I am not sure about that JJChambers Feb 2014 #89

I honestly think it's a hang up on 1st Degree vs. 2nd Degree murder. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #3

I'm starting to think the same thing JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #7

I hope so. bravenak Feb 2014 #12

In the UK only 9 out of 12 jurors are required to agree dickthegrouch Feb 2014 #63

I like unanimous verdicts in criminal trials. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #149

I think this also Quayblue Feb 2014 #51

I agree that the premeditation could be an issue davidpdx Feb 2014 #115

I COMPLETELY AGREE!! bravenak Feb 2014 #5

Unarmed black kids playing music in a car workinclasszero Feb 2014 #18

Well said. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #19

It's even a miscarriage of justice when it's black assailant and black victim Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #21

Racism is so transparent in this country workinclasszero Feb 2014 #52

the more blacks and hispanic's convicted, the less voters that tend to vote Dem n/t Herself Feb 2014 #127

I agree with this assessment Skittles Feb 2014 #38

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2014 #116

It's more complicated than "Fuck that fucking guy!" Lost_Count Feb 2014 #8

I don't know.. SunsetDreams Feb 2014 #11

...and he gave at least 3 different versions of his story. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #15

yes he did.. SunsetDreams Feb 2014 #20

And I'm sure the jury had to sift through 3 layers of shit. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #123

Why not wait for the verdict LittleBlue Feb 2014 #13

It is very frustrating when you see how people view the lives African Americans as less valuable. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #14

As evidenced by? Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #26

Why would it have to go beyond the vote they take before they even begin deliberating? This ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #29

Well duh, see post 14 Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #36

One doesn't even have to look at this case or the Trayvon case Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #34

So it's not because they are taking so long Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #39

No. The length of deliberations in this case has nothing to do with my initial statement. Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #42

Blacks are disproportionately imprisoned more than whites... rustydog Feb 2014 #162

I hear you, Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #165

Would someone be a dear and link Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #22

huh? nt SunsetDreams Feb 2014 #24

I don't know how to read a jury but there have been juries that have taken a long time that hrmjustin Feb 2014 #23

I'm having an anxiety attack waiting riverwalker Feb 2014 #25

I'm worried he will get away with it. HappyMe Feb 2014 #28

Maybe if they were informed of your outrage pintobean Feb 2014 #31

Lol. +1000 B2G Feb 2014 #35

...it would slow 'em down even more. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #124

Betting we have a verdict within 2 hours nt B2G Feb 2014 #32

how long did you deliberate? Enrique Feb 2014 #41

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #44

How does the OP have hostility toward white folks? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #45

it is our repeat troll. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #50

LOL Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #54

There are times she tries to hide it but their are other times she doesn't. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #58

Back again lg? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #48

I alerted. Here are the jury results: smokey nj Feb 2014 #59

Good alert and results. she will be back as she always is. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #61

Why Don't You Relax, Fella, Take In A Show.... The Magistrate Feb 2014 #49

Hi right winger treestar Feb 2014 #53

Go read a book uppityperson Feb 2014 #55

True this meltdown is premature treestar Feb 2014 #46

What if they don't? You still whine? nt Logical Feb 2014 #68

Was that necessary? treestar Feb 2014 #141

I might be wrong, but it seems like the more public a case is, the more likely they get off n/t Victor_c3 Feb 2014 #57

various verdict results in high profile cases... TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #143

they're doing there job as they're required to TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #65

I am guessing it is because other famous juries- Zimmerman and Anthony actually did not understand bettyellen Feb 2014 #75

two juries out of how many cases in the state? TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #109

LOL, I am sorry you have so much invested in this- or so much faith in juries. bettyellen Feb 2014 #112

blah, blah, blah TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #113

so, no one can coment on the racial aspect of the trial- or they are racist. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA bettyellen Feb 2014 #114

what racial aspect of the trial? TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #118

The fact that lawyers racially profile the jurors. And hope for racists in cases like this one. And bettyellen Feb 2014 #120

backpedaling TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #121

I was laughing at you, lol. Can't help it. bettyellen Feb 2014 #156

Strong post. Thank you. 840high Feb 2014 #134

Thank you TorchTheWitch Herself Feb 2014 #144

bettyellen - I've read the exchange with Torch below . . . JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #147

I don't know the jurors' profiles in any detail- bettyellen Feb 2014 #157

If you were on trial, wouldn't you want the jury to carefully consider everything? hamsterjill Feb 2014 #69

If I were on trial, I would want the jury to acquit even if I were guilty. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #74

I agree proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #111

I understand the frustration - raven mad Feb 2014 #70

the BIGGEST mistake people make is, blueknight Feb 2014 #71

Why is everybody pissed the jury is trying to take their time and come to a good decision? dballance Feb 2014 #77

because we are afraid one idiot related to the rage-o-holic racist pig on trial and would aquit? bettyellen Feb 2014 #81

You're correct, and it is Florida dballance Feb 2014 #87

I can multi-task, you know, and discuss things on a board, same as you do, ;-) bettyellen Feb 2014 #91

+1 dballance Feb 2014 #95

*waving stir-crazily from behind a pile of snow* bettyellen Feb 2014 #98

Takes time to examine evidence presented MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #78

safe to say 20 hours of deliberations is more than "not jumping to conclusions" nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #80

The hurry up and hang him posts MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #93

but juries do base decisions on fantasies and emotion all the time, hence the concern here. bettyellen Feb 2014 #99

Ummm no, Dunn didn't take his time trying to kill 4 teenagers he hurried up and started shooting... uponit7771 Feb 2014 #117

Doesn't matter if he had tried to kill a hundred people MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #170

"A man's life is on the line." And Mr. Dunn took it. Oh, you mean HIS life? WHO FIRED THE *&^% WinkyDink Feb 2014 #135

WHO fired the gun isn't on trial MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #171

watch the westerns, there was usually a story line about vigilante Herself Feb 2014 #145

I'm thinking many angry/fearful posters are Herself Feb 2014 #146

OFGS. We don't "fear riots." We fear there is NO JUSTICE in Florida. Posting isn't "reacting WinkyDink Feb 2014 #153

I fear there is no justice, and I also fear the reaction to the continual Herself Feb 2014 #155

I was there. bravenak Feb 2014 #163

What they fear is being wrong MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #172

Ever been on a murder trial jury? Ever been on a jury in any criminal case? Any jury at all? X_Digger Feb 2014 #119

because Jordan was Black, so there is a presumption of guilt on his part JI7 Feb 2014 #97

Well, if we don't reverse global climate change Florida Cleita Feb 2014 #102

So global warming has some benefits? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #104

My nerves are getting to me lol skeewee08 Feb 2014 #105

The "stand Your ground"... adavid Feb 2014 #106

If he beats this....All black men...leave Florida if you can. Your life is worth nothing there SummerSnow Feb 2014 #107

It's because rrneck Feb 2014 #110

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #125

Your post is twisted and depraved. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #137

How so, and be specific. flvegan Feb 2014 #140

I actually choked back the bile and watched Nancy Grace OldHippieChick Feb 2014 #129

it's 34 pages TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #142

Thank you for your posts, I'm listening. Herself Feb 2014 #166

Not uncommon to hang in a case like this... they will most likely put him on trial again JCMach1 Feb 2014 #150

maybe arguing over degree Spirochete Feb 2014 #164