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28. without details of how much and why american's data was

Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:36 PM

Feb 2014

collected it is hard to say but personally I think building the haystack is illegal even before the spys look ,even if it is encrypted so while I appreciate these whistleblowers efforts I do not at this time believe the first program would of been legal either

from the article..a process called THINTHREAD for collection and rapid analysis of billions of electronic records relating to targets of intelligence interest, with automatic encryption of information about U.S. persons, per the standard of FISA and the Fourth Amendment.

Data on U.S. citizens could be decrypted only if a judge approved it after a finding that there was probable cause to believe that the target was connected with terrorism or other crimes.///////////////////////////////

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Clapper Reads From the Bush/Cheney/Nixon Playbook to Fear-Monger Over Transparency (Greenwald) [View all] Octafish Feb 2014 OP

Former NSA chief Hayden praises Obama for �doubling down� on Bush-era spying Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #1

And no terrorists stopped by NSA, apart from the FBI infiltrators, instigators and entrappers. Octafish Feb 2014 #2

Well I think its a tree trunk Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #3

This is not the Thief of Baghdad. Octafish Feb 2014 #5

Most don't recognize what's really in the room Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #7

The great DUer One_Life_To_Give elaborated on that very important concept... Octafish Feb 2014 #8

Another Bush guy, very credible all these Bush guys. Just so we know who Gen. Hayden sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #10

He's always reminded me of this guy Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #14

Lol, is that a villain from one of the Bond movies? He looks familiar sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #15

From Raiders of the Lost Ark FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #18

That's who he is, thank you. I knew he looked familiar. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #19

Ironic that Clapper's crime before Congress was the straw that broke the camel's back hootinholler Feb 2014 #4

Ripples. Octafish Feb 2014 #6

Maybe he realizes that so he's doubly responsible for the need for Whistle Blowers like Snowden. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #20

K&R + some websites that I read to learn the truth about fascism, history, and treason w/o pc. bobthedrummer Feb 2014 #9

Thank you, bobthedrummer. Edwin Black has documented corporate and American roles... Octafish Feb 2014 #23

"The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same." Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #11

Very interesting idea, on very many levels. Octafish Feb 2014 #24

Once a liar, and a supporter of liars, always a liar until proven otherwise. Now we have sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #12

Fear Itself: Democrats Duck FDR�s Lessons Octafish Feb 2014 #27

Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #13

Sid! sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #16

The Bush liars are now Obama liars so the BOG gives them allegiance. It's clearly authoritarian rhett o rick Feb 2014 #36

Secret Police. Secret Courts. Secret Government. LOL. Octafish Feb 2014 #21

Interesting that you disparage Greenwald who has no power but bow down to Gen Clapper who may rhett o rick Feb 2014 #30

Interesting that you reply to a week-old post of mine... SidDithers Feb 2014 #31

LOL. You give yourself too much credit if you think I would waste time stalking you. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #33

... SidDithers Feb 2014 #34

Clapper is loved by the authoritarians Rex Feb 2014 #17

Paul Craig Roberts called five INTEL heads ''the GESTAPO'' Octafish Feb 2014 #25

clapper is a psychopathic liar. KG Feb 2014 #22

Former NSA Insiders Agree Octafish Feb 2014 #26

without details of how much and why american's data was questionseverything Feb 2014 #28

Topping IT off: Every step can be automated. Octafish Feb 2014 #29

Some how I missed this very important thread. Thank you for posting. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #32

First Amendment is in serious danger. Octafish Feb 2014 #35