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46. You are probably quite wrong about someone buying the self-defense thing

Sat Feb 15, 2014, 08:25 PM

Feb 2014

On the killing of Davis, for which he can be retried (this is a mistrial only), the jurors had to decide between Murder 1, Murder 2 and Manslaughter or acquittal. Under FL law, the second two are lesser included charges to Murder 1.

Murder 1 includes premeditation. It's likely that some jurors were convinced on Murder 1 and some on Murder 2, with the Murder 2 lot thinking about it being a chance encounter and balking at the premeditation.

Suppose there were two jurors who were holding out for Murder 1. Those are the persons you are now claiming were racist scumbags. Racist scumbags wouldn't have convicted him on the attempted murder charges, would they? If you convict on the attempted murder charges, you are not going to acquit on the murder charge.

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VERDICT , MISTRIAL ON ONE COUNT, GUILTY ON 2ND DEGREE COUNTS 2-5 GUILTY [View all] itsrobert Feb 2014 OP

Mistrial On Manslaughter Charges SoCalMusicLover Feb 2014 #1

Mistrial on Murder 1 charges. eom DonViejo Feb 2014 #79

Racist scumbag is heading for prison malaise Feb 2014 #2

Sounds like the jury did the job they were summoned to do. flvegan Feb 2014 #3

With the exception of at least one idiot who hung the jury on the murder charge Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #9

Interesting take. flvegan Feb 2014 #11

once the vehicle is fleeing, hard to sell a self-defense claim nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #15

Dunn did not even make a self defense claim against the other three in the vehicle Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #17

I wasn't there. flvegan Feb 2014 #28

They did not come to a conclusion in the murder case Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #32

It may well be the case. flvegan Feb 2014 #36

So you don't know the facts but somehow you know the jury did what they were summoned to do Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #38

I do know that they did just that. flvegan Feb 2014 #41

We do not have an outcome on the murder charge Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #42

So, you think maybe Dunn was justified in shooting an unarmed kid? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #60

Racist pigfucker? flvegan Feb 2014 #63

Do you agree or disagree with the juror who bought the self-defense claim? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #64

Who said any juror bought the self-defense claim? DonViejo Feb 2014 #81

Same exact thing I've been saying, sked14 Feb 2014 #82

Yeah, there was a jury in the OJ trial, too. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #39

The jury refused to convict him for killing Jordan Davis. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #56

I don't think so Diamonique Feb 2014 #20

You are probably quite wrong about someone buying the self-defense thing Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #46

Since he is guilty of attempted murder and malaise Feb 2014 #70

It seems that the shooting event was divided into subparts... HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #73

I guess you could look at it that way, but... Diamonique Feb 2014 #75

Yes, I agree this is the way the resolution of charges works. HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #80

Yes the jury was given those options Diamonique Feb 2014 #74

Or, there were one or two who were convinced that it should be 1st murder sked14 Feb 2014 #76

I don't see how this makes sense malaise Feb 2014 #77

Actually they weren't the same, and here's why Diamonique Feb 2014 #83

I hear you malaise Feb 2014 #89

I hope he stays there for a long time. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #4

75 years - 20 year for each attempted murder, avebury Feb 2014 #7

what I can find, says it's consecutive and not concurrent NightWatcher Feb 2014 #24

I heard they have to run consecutively. nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #55

He'll probably be in prison until he dies, even if they run concurrently Warpy Feb 2014 #25

If 46 years old is considered an "old geezer," Keefer Feb 2014 #30

I agree. I'm 67 and am an "old geezer." You've got a long way to go before you achieve ... spin Feb 2014 #34

My bad, I'd heard him described as a retired officer Warpy Feb 2014 #35

I think you are thinking of another case whopis01 Feb 2014 #51

Probably, it's not like it's all that unusual Warpy Feb 2014 #53

There were, I believe, 5 counts demwing Feb 2014 #19

How can one be quilty on attempted murder when the victim is dead? Seems like that would then be jwirr Feb 2014 #69

That's my question as well malaise Feb 2014 #71

And that's what probably triggered the mistrial, sked14 Feb 2014 #78

consecutive sentences, max sentence, are in order nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #5

Good work JJChambers Feb 2014 #6

Some would not be satisfied unless the jurors personally lynched him Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #13

Agreed JJChambers Feb 2014 #18

In other words, Life in Prison /nt demwing Feb 2014 #23

They can retry him on the one count Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #26

We'd have been satisfied if they convicted him for killing Davis. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #57

Given the convictions on the other charges Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #67

Why would I apologize to them…is this one verdict making up for something!!! Tikki Feb 2014 #22

Jacksonville radio station WOKV 690 is covering this trial live... alp227 Feb 2014 #8

Closet racist juror-1 Justice - 0 JCMach1 Feb 2014 #10

Sorry, not correct. demwing Feb 2014 #33

No they just believed that it was justifiable to be threatened by imaginary guns JCMach1 Feb 2014 #44

Don't move the goalpost! You said justice was not served. demwing Feb 2014 #45

No, no, nothing being hung on the murder charge indicates justification Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #49

Realistically, they would have settled for murder 2 if that were the only barrier to consensus. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #61

Exactly! Diamonique Feb 2014 #68

They failed to convict him for killing Davis. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #58

The night is dark demwing Feb 2014 #62

Don't think so, if it was a racist juror he/she would have hung on ALL counts. nt edbermac Feb 2014 #37

Good point demwing Feb 2014 #47

Forgive me, I'm not much of a trial expert. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #12

No Mz Pip Feb 2014 #14

Let's hope so. Thanks! nt Chorophyll Feb 2014 #16

60 years minimum before eligible for parole! MoonRiver Feb 2014 #43

Hey, that's life! demwing Feb 2014 #48

Do those sentences have to consecutive or can they be concurrent? whopis01 Feb 2014 #54

They'll run consecutive because each charge sked14 Feb 2014 #59

No he won't walk and the prosecution can retry the case on count one. edbermac Feb 2014 #21

Thanks. Very glad to know it. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #29

is he in custody now? savalez Feb 2014 #65

He's been in custody since his arrest. sked14 Feb 2014 #72

Good enough. DemocraticWing Feb 2014 #27

Juror comments will be interesting Mz Pip Feb 2014 #31

No statute of limitations on murder exboyfil Feb 2014 #40

The prosecution plans to retry Lisa D Feb 2014 #50

as long as they like dsc Feb 2014 #52

I've heard almost nothing about this trial and its evidence. BlueCheese Feb 2014 #66

I didn't follow the trial, what evidence did they have that it was premeditated? Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #84

Shooting down a teen in cold blood because he's playing loud music Lex Feb 2014 #85

It does to me too, but they have to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #86

With even one racist asshole on the jury Lex Feb 2014 #87

apparenlty, someone bought the self defense story and would not go for murder 2 either..... bettyellen Feb 2014 #88

I'd say they ought to re-try for murder 2 then... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #90

yeah, no matter how much you explain premeditation can only take seconds- I think people do not bettyellen Feb 2014 #91