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The Straight Story

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17. Well.....
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:59 AM
Feb 2014

You must be a hater of some sort and can't possibly care about the issues.

You know what though - I do think we have a cultural problem with objectifying others. Especially women. Not just them mind you, but more so them than others.

What I don't think though is that every single little thing is a part of that and when you make everything that way you get a little lost.

Men, and women, like looking at others. I cannot, I will not, make that into some monstrous thing and label them all as broken people who need to be cured by jeebus or something else.

Real life, for many folks, is nothing like we see on tv, in movies, or on the cover of magazines. Myself and many others get that and simply laugh that crap off. We know that not everyone lives like the Kardashians or most other tv 'reality' shows. We really do get that.

I don't think every women looks like those in SI. Don't expect them to. There sure are a lot that do though. But, like others, I can also say I don't mind looking at beautiful people (or things like redwoods).

Just because I enjoy looking at such things does not mean I want to cut down the redwoods and mount them on my wall anymore than appreciating a beautiful woman means I want to bang her - nor does it mean that is all I see her as.

What we are hearing is that when we see such images we want to mind rape women, hate them, we think they are nothing more than meat, etc and so on. Maybe some do, but I and many don't think that way - but we are told we are monsters that need cured and that the mere act of looking at women in any way other than some business way is akin to us wanting to just use them for sex.

It is like sitting in the room with a psych dr. and they show you a photo of a woman. If you smile or like it then out comes the hammer of shame - you should not find others attractive, you shouldn't like it, you should be shamed for seeing someone as prettier than someone else. We should all just like the exact same thing. Period.

The in comes the rest of it - question every action you take. Open a door? Maybe you hate the person you opened it for and want to keep them down. Comment on something someone is wearing? You probably hate women and why aren't you talking about the outfit some guy is wearing (maybe you have because it is natural to comment on such things but no one paid attention to that - you are a hater right out of the gate.). Never mind that women wear a lot more different things than men (they have a wider wardrobe to tap into) - it is hard to talk about Obama and the suit he is wearing today because it is the same damned thing everyday. Comment on some nice dress Hillary wore and suddenly - bam! you are a sexist and you judge women, hate them, and why didn't you say the same about someone else and such.

What we have is one group who rides around telling folks that every little thing they do has to be scrutinized and analyzed and then shamed because somewhere deep inside you are sure all of those people just want to use and rape women and can never appreciate them.

It gets a little silly. Post a story about someone who committed a crime and the perp is a woman? You have an agenda and hate women and this is your way of showing they are bad. What? WTF is that shit? When you have one small group who does nothing but try to find ways to tell you that you are bad and hate women it gets tiring.

I don't have a problem calling out sexism or talking about the issues. What I have is a problem with a select few who believe they are the sole keepers of it all and if you aren't as pissed as they are over every little thing you want to screw women over and use them as toys.

When your allies become your enemy - maybe you are the problem (not you as the poster, you are fine, meant that in a more general way) and maybe you should take a little time and realize that just because folks don't see a demon around every corner does not mean they hate you, women, or the causes you support.

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Food fight! Fumesucker Feb 2014 #1
To which I can only reply: The Straight Story Feb 2014 #2
Vegetarians eat vegetables Fumesucker Feb 2014 #3
When that picture has been photoshopped to the point LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #4
Best counter argument thus far. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #5
and there you have it, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #32
Good analysis. I can only add this disturbing image is also causing puppy injuries and deaths quinnox Feb 2014 #6
Get back to me when he's wearing just a thong and facing away from the camera. MM-kay? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #7
Different market segment... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #8
YA THINK?! (Or perhaps---not so much. There's that Q-back/Center thang....) WinkyDink Feb 2014 #13
Gay men exist. nt. Hosnon Feb 2014 #42
I see a sexy cheerleader holding up a sign and at first glance B Calm Feb 2014 #9
LOL! The artists probably wanted us to think those words, too. reformist2 Feb 2014 #10
It's someone doing something related to a sport gollygee Feb 2014 #11
"their souls captured by a device that takes photos" WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #12
Yeah, pretty much satire The Straight Story Feb 2014 #20
Satire mocking feminist issues is genius? redqueen Feb 2014 #24
Genius might be a little generous Desert805 Feb 2014 #31
This cover model is being celebrated for being a talented football player ... dawg Feb 2014 #14
Well..... The Straight Story Feb 2014 #17
But you and I haven't felt the impact of this part of our culture first hand. dawg Feb 2014 #21
Thanks for listening dawg. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #22
Indeed - but The Straight Story Feb 2014 #23
You need to recognize that you are arguing from a position of anger. dawg Feb 2014 #25
Ya know, it's funny - but I do agree with you The Straight Story Feb 2014 #26
I have "benevolent sexist" tendencies. dawg Feb 2014 #27
What? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #28
I have not encountered that attitude on DU or IRL. dawg Feb 2014 #29
If "you got it" you would stop pretending the door is a big issue. bettyellen Feb 2014 #33
And I am not holding my breath others The Straight Story Feb 2014 #38
so, you fully intend to go on pretending *doors* is actually a big issue for others? bettyellen Feb 2014 #41
It's not the doors - anymore than a woman on mag cover is The Straight Story Feb 2014 #47
the completely dishonest way you flog this issue of doors- makes you a laughing stock. bettyellen Feb 2014 #51
Yeah, I agree - it is BS The Straight Story Feb 2014 #55
More about doors. And thinking I owe you anything after spewing that nonsense? bettyellen Feb 2014 #59
As usual - nothing to add. You spend a lot of time and energy attacking others on DU The Straight Story Feb 2014 #61
pretending *doors* are a big issue is not trying to have an honest conversation- not at all. bettyellen Feb 2014 #63
Wow. You are in denial. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #36
I am seeing a trend here The Straight Story Feb 2014 #40
No. I've read plenty of your posts on gender issues to know Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #45
And that is just what I am talking about The Straight Story Feb 2014 #49
They don't even show his face! Bonobo Feb 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #16
Wait, so you have supported them all this time? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #18
This is one of those... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #19
This is a good list, but it lacks a specific 7th observation: Shampoobra Feb 2014 #30
No. One is about a guy playing a physical game. The other Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #35
Did you read my post? I can't tell what you're saying "no" to Shampoobra Feb 2014 #37
I thought the "projecting power" and angry black guy Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #39
I mentioned neither anger nor skin color Shampoobra Feb 2014 #44
"he doesn't look happy to see the viewer" Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #46
Do you understand the word "contrast"? Shampoobra Feb 2014 #50
Yes, I did appreciate the overall thrust of the argument Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #52
Wait...what?? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #53
"The image of vulnerability" is not the first thing I noticed on the anniversary cover... Shampoobra Feb 2014 #62
Your analogy is false. He is engaged in sport--not posing for Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #34
So you have problems with "Sexual titillation" - that is a bad thing right? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #43
Some people move past their id in interactions with Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #48
So it doesn't drive them The Straight Story Feb 2014 #57
OH! IO! aristocles Feb 2014 #54
Watching you circle the drain like this is saddening, TSS n/t Scootaloo Feb 2014 #56
Watching you and others is much more sad to me The Straight Story Feb 2014 #58
"doors" will be his "Rosebud" and no one will know what the fuck it means, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #60
classic female fitness models from the 1980's and 1990's had a good look crazykate Aug 2016 #64
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