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AZCat

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288. I think you're missing the point.

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 12:29 PM

Feb 2014

Perhaps you didn't see the line in my post where I said " That doesn't excuse the individual who engages in bad behavior, but you probably can't support the argument that it's a special case for humans only." Bad behavior is inexcusable in humans, but it should be (and is) with apes (and other animals) as well. In fact, there are several cases where animals have been dealt with (usually terminally) because of their inability to act within a defined range of behaviors (no attacking humans, for example). Their non-humanness doesn't excuse them from the consequences any more than our "ape-ness" excuses us from the consequences of violating society's rules either.

But to claim that somehow humans are special and different is missing a very well-supported biological point and should not be used to support arguments (or at least ones that are accepted here).

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Hey women [View all] boston bean Feb 2014 OP

um, ok PeaceNikki Feb 2014 #1

oh I suspect you missed the OP boston bean Feb 2014 #2

Bonobos, like humans are apes, not monkeys. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #3

oh, thanks for the info. I'll change the OP to APES instead of monkeys. boston bean Feb 2014 #5

humans are not apes by the way and apes aren't human, btw. boston bean Feb 2014 #6

Learn a little biology hobbit709 Feb 2014 #10

you learn boston bean Feb 2014 #17

Humans are classified as members of the ape family, monkeys are not. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #21

Humans are not apes. boston bean Feb 2014 #42

since your mind is made up and science be damned, i won't bother any more. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #46

My mind is made up that in the context of this OP and your wording boston bean Feb 2014 #56

Here's another example of Squinch Feb 2014 #136

And, chervilant Feb 2014 #673

Yep. Squinch Feb 2014 #675

1% Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #126

this entire thread is a load of wtf RainDog Feb 2014 #569

it is off another thread. no challenging evo psych or you challenge evolution. seabeyond Feb 2014 #572

the assumptions made here are nonsense whatever the reason RainDog Feb 2014 #574

if you challenge evo psych, you challenge evolution. (that was the statement made) seabeyond Feb 2014 #575

Thanks for clarifying RainDog Feb 2014 #578

i am cooking. i will get back to finding the OP. bonobo posted it last night. seabeyond Feb 2014 #579

here. seabeyond Feb 2014 #580

thanks RainDog Feb 2014 #581

lol, ya... seabeyond Feb 2014 #582

Help me out here please cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #97

Read this hobbit709 Feb 2014 #105

Thanks! cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #130

that's a fascinating blog post foo_bar Feb 2014 #423

We are apes, many biologists agree with this. Nika Feb 2014 #86

I was taught apes meant cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #122

Depends on the Scope of your definition. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #200

I would think you're right. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #214

i am talking the real issue, and do not give a shit what we call ourselves. but i do care about men seabeyond Feb 2014 #219

... cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #234

I was hoping my pun wasn't obscure, but it's been 90 years Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #616

No, apes are not a separate suborder from humans Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #366

That is very interesting! cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #435

I really don't see the problem Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #449

It's just that cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #466

Yeah, I'm not sure you and I really disagree Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #505

I think we agree more than we disagree, yes cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #538

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Feb 2014 #576

We are most definitely a species of great ape--not that there's anything wrong with that! tblue37 Feb 2014 #205

Humans are apes Shivering Jemmy Feb 2014 #273

Are apes humans? boston bean Feb 2014 #419

That is like asking are arthropods spiders? JonLP24 Feb 2014 #433

Are insects ants? foo_bar Feb 2014 #437

Are aunts uncles? Orrex Feb 2014 #446

If you had ever seen Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #591

I don't disagree that humans descended from the same ancester as apes boston bean Feb 2014 #618

sigh. Yeah, I missed it. PeaceNikki Feb 2014 #4

But those who don't avoid it cvoogt Feb 2014 #198

I must have missed it also. mimi85 Feb 2014 #283

It's closer to human than a pig.... fadedrose Feb 2014 #518

The bonobo "argument" always makes me laugh. MadrasT Feb 2014 #7

bonobo, bonobo, bonobo, you must accept objectification because well... bonobo's. boston bean Feb 2014 #8

Yup, you're right. Bonobo Feb 2014 #12

well see, no one said that either. time to go back and use the c word, cause you are pissed? nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #23

You mean the word I used Bonobo Feb 2014 #25

i mean your glee in throwing out the c word every chance you get. the most vulgar and vile word seabeyond Feb 2014 #27

I just passed up a perfect opportunity Bonobo Feb 2014 #30

??? by calling me one? really? and this is the man that you are, that we are suppose to respect? seabeyond Feb 2014 #32

I never said that! Bonobo Feb 2014 #36

of course you never said it. you might get a hide. just might. you did imply. seabeyond Feb 2014 #39

No, ... oldhippie Feb 2014 #190

Hey! No gun fights in the War Room! Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #207

finding new lows, one thread at a time. bettyellen Feb 2014 #302

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #410

There was a poll in your group about the word "prick" boston bean Feb 2014 #29

OMG! You-you said the d,d, D-WORD!! Bonobo Feb 2014 #34

you are a piece of work. boston bean Feb 2014 #40

Context matters when YOU want it to. Bonobo Feb 2014 #48

not a cute little game. vile, vulgar word that you pull out often and dismiss with, didnt call seabeyond Feb 2014 #66

You haven't got a clue. Bonobo Feb 2014 #71

you, as a man, that created the insulting vileness of a word toward women, reject that they have any seabeyond Feb 2014 #75

Easy for you to say, you're not a target for that word. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #78

You mean the word "dick"? Bonobo Feb 2014 #80

and as each one of you men, that feign outrage over the word, has also expressed it bothers you not. seabeyond Feb 2014 #88

I haven't. I haven't called anyone on DU a dick, nor have I applauded anyone being called a dick seaglass Feb 2014 #112

And I never called anyone a C-word. Never. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #116

again. you make sure you throw the word out in a manner that will not get a hide, or might, to seabeyond Feb 2014 #123

That is a classic case of moving the goalposts. Bonobo Feb 2014 #133

it is a matter of staying on point, your go to word is the c word to be as vile as you can seabeyond Feb 2014 #154

Correction, some. Nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #158

While we're on the subject of the naughty word list, can I nominate the word 'ape' to be added? Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #652

that would be silly violet, but you can surely do whatever the fuck you want. truly. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #665

You use the word to offend and that's enough. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #146

No I don't. Bonobo Feb 2014 #153

omg. so you use a highly vulgar, vile word toward women because men made sure that word was vile seabeyond Feb 2014 #160

Oh you can say you dont want to hear it. Bonobo Feb 2014 #163

you have used it often, and sometimes repetitively and have had hides because of it. you use it seabeyond Feb 2014 #168

That is a lie. Bonobo Feb 2014 #173

i wouldnt waste the time of my day on you, in that regard bonobo. a man thats go to word seabeyond Feb 2014 #177

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #183

Are you saying you have never had a post hidden boston bean Feb 2014 #186

I'm saying that sea said I use the word often and repeatedly and she lied. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #192

a year or more ago, you had two or three ops repeatedly using offensive words toward women. seabeyond Feb 2014 #193

The B-word! LOL Bonobo Feb 2014 #197

of course you do not. no skin off your knee to be called either, cause it is a slur against women. seabeyond Feb 2014 #199

Far fewer women are offended by it than you think Bonobo Feb 2014 #204

oh. so you get to decide to use the c word cause you have decided women are not, should not be seabeyond Feb 2014 #209

The handful of men here who insist on explaining to women how they know what women think amuse me. redqueen Feb 2014 #218

i believe he believes. and though that may sound complimentary, it is anything but sad. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #224

Is it fair to say that women don't know what men think? AngryAmish Feb 2014 #555

i think it is fair for me to say, i really do not give a shit what you think. yup. seabeyond Feb 2014 #565

? AngryAmish Feb 2014 #568

"Men" do not think as a homogenous group. MadrasT Feb 2014 #573

I was referring to the ha ha "b-word" that upsets you so. Bonobo Feb 2014 #220

you had no reason to use it yesterday but to puff out your chest to the men in the mens group. seabeyond Feb 2014 #227

I had a very good reason. Bonobo Feb 2014 #230

Far MORE women are offended by that word, chervilant Feb 2014 #517

i have, its no biggie, personally fanny is worse to me. context etc matters. loli phabay Feb 2014 #415

The f word offends me joeglow3 Feb 2014 #203

says the man that doesnt know the difference between rape and not. i hardly take you seriously. seabeyond Feb 2014 #212

Really? You were the one who couldn't define rape? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #222

The F word isn't bigoted. Stop playing games. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #213

What words are bigoted against men? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #226

What words are bigoted against white people? redqueen Feb 2014 #232

Uh. The same old red queen tactic joeglow3 Feb 2014 #242

I thought her post was spot on. boston bean Feb 2014 #245

Not really. She claims others need to educate themselves joeglow3 Feb 2014 #275

I guess she was at one point trying to engage and be helpful. boston bean Feb 2014 #279

skinner has repeatedly told us to "educate" over the last couple years. you have issue? talk to seabeyond Feb 2014 #291

If everyone is educating and no one needs to be educated, what good are we? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #337

when a person asks the board what is rape and what is not. i think there needs to be education. seabeyond Feb 2014 #344

Education would require an answer to the question asked joeglow3 Feb 2014 #365

Yeah right. seaglass Feb 2014 #252

I bet they have. JTFrog Feb 2014 #424

I just did a search and what you said is blatantly untrue... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #661

Shhhhhhhhh ........... polly7 Feb 2014 #662

LOL. I've gone and spoilt things now! Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #663

It's great to see you polly7 Feb 2014 #664

actually violet you absolutely validated what i said. and he uses it repeatedly in exactly the seabeyond Feb 2014 #666

presumably though hfojvt Feb 2014 #137

Yes. I remember reading one feminist saying how come treestar Feb 2014 #76

"examples from animals always seem to mention the ones that "support" male supremacy." seabeyond Feb 2014 #92

If you come across that again, redqueen Feb 2014 #94

We can't ignore the continuity of evolution. Deep13 Feb 2014 #384

gentically yes, but I'll tell you one thing, my life is nothing like the life of a bonobo. boston bean Feb 2014 #448

Your objection is a normal part of human behavior. Deep13 Feb 2014 #511

Of course it's cultural. That is the point, it's not biological. boston bean Feb 2014 #515

+1 Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #609

Lots of people were outraged that Darwin Bonobo Feb 2014 #9

You do understand that "descended from" and "equivalent to" are not remotely the same thing? MadrasT Feb 2014 #13

someone must shave my whole body while I am asleep Whisp Feb 2014 #74

Humans are apes. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #11

Thank you. Bonobo Feb 2014 #14

yes, you are using evo psych like religion uses dominance over women. educate yourself. start here. seabeyond Feb 2014 #19

Is there a source for this? opiate69 Feb 2014 #311

humans are apes? prove it. boston bean Feb 2014 #20

Humans are apes. Bonobo Feb 2014 #26

humans are NOT apes. Prove it please. boston bean Feb 2014 #31

Can you articulate what would constitute proof, to you? Orrex Feb 2014 #60

Yes you're right our classification, if you will is basically that humans are apes ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #286

Humans are apes in the same way that cats are felines Orrex Feb 2014 #307

Good analogy. ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #355

bonobo said... no challenging evo psych, that is challenging evolution. that is what started this.nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #335

Science is discrediting evo-Psych ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #354

yes. agreed. and tha tis what the issue of this thread is. DEMANDING we buy into the garbage seabeyond Feb 2014 #356

Prove they are not. physically we classify out to be in the same category. Nika Feb 2014 #89

Do you live your life like an ape? boston bean Feb 2014 #93

We all live are lives like apes, because we are apes. Nika Feb 2014 #102

+1 Agschmid Feb 2014 #210

It is impossible to prove a negative. The burden is on the one making the claim to prove it's true. redqueen Feb 2014 #99

We are built the same, and the only thing we have is a brain almost as well developed as a dolphin, Nika Feb 2014 #110

I don't see anyone in this thread disputing that we're related to our cousins in category. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #127

I take umbrage to the notion we are not classified in a way our taxonomic nomenclature Nika Feb 2014 #142

You'd have to ignore the context to make that assertion. The context here, redqueen Feb 2014 #149

We are animals too. And sometimes we do do things of a sexual nature that is irrational Nika Feb 2014 #170

Unlike animals we are capable of discussing things, like we are here. redqueen Feb 2014 #178

free for all rape. just animals here. wtf boys. go at it. and this, is the issue. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #180

We are animals too. And sometimes we do do things of a sexual nature that is irrational, Nika Feb 2014 #172

The issue is that is not an excuse boston bean Feb 2014 #181

I don't agree with that ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #378

We are animals. We torture, kill and imprison dolphins which have culture, a language, Nika Feb 2014 #391

Well you have a point there ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #399

This is driving me crazy these threads always do ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #367

My understanding of proof is that it is impossible to prove a negative which is what you just asked. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #144

You mean that you can't prove that 2 + 2 =/= 5? Orrex Feb 2014 #174

Well, you know. That IS not always true cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #221

can you prove there is No God ... by the way 5 is not a negative number. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #244

Define God. Orrex Feb 2014 #254

Define it to suit yourself and then disprove it. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #269

If God exists, then God is an ice cream cone perched on my desk and plainly visible to all Orrex Feb 2014 #278

God defies parameters. Ergo there is a God. Yum, Ice Cream! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #282

You told me to define God, and then you redefined God Orrex Feb 2014 #301

I will take mine third way, thanks! :-) Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #325

I deny all knowledge of that. Orrex Feb 2014 #332

Humans are in the Hominoidea superfamily. chrisa Feb 2014 #114

Chrisa, I understand and I am not a denier. boston bean Feb 2014 #117

Yeah I'm sorry about this BB ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #372

humans are not apes. boston bean Feb 2014 #18

Yes. They are apes. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #22

prove that humans ARE apes. boston bean Feb 2014 #24

Prove that humans are evolved from monkeys! Bonobo Feb 2014 #28

uh, I see. You think because one has come from something boston bean Feb 2014 #33

Humans are apes and science is a methodology Bonobo Feb 2014 #38

evo psych, which you base all of your manhood on, is. and science confirms. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #43

No magice tome. Humans are not apes. You have proved nothing. boston bean Feb 2014 #47

BB, humans...they are apes. They ARE. Bonobo Feb 2014 #50

Oh yeah, I'm on the bible thumpers side... wtf? boston bean Feb 2014 #55

Are orangutan and chimps "one and the same"? Bonobo Feb 2014 #57

right, that is you one should not state that HUMANS ARE APES. boston bean Feb 2014 #61

Seriously I give up arguing with you. Bonobo Feb 2014 #64

someone dreaming about Quest for Fire again? Whisp Feb 2014 #79

Rae Dawn Chong! Nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #82

exactly. stick three asses out on a mag cover and all of a sudden we have this shit. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #96

I swear this is all about Quest for Fire and those good ole days! Whisp Feb 2014 #111

it would be funny, if not so disgusting having bonobos saying it is innately there right to tap that seabeyond Feb 2014 #119

I listen to bonobos like I am Whisp Feb 2014 #138

i love your voice, whisp. and i was in a totally opposite environment. my men say WTF.... lol. seabeyond Feb 2014 #165

Also, you do know that black persons take great offense to being compared boston bean Feb 2014 #35

Lol. Thanks for the laughs! Bonobo Feb 2014 #41

Comedic for you I'm sure. For many others, not so much. boston bean Feb 2014 #49

Sigh... I give up nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #52

You want to ignore the fact that it isn't flattering to try to boston bean Feb 2014 #58

... LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #68

So black people should not be offended? boston bean Feb 2014 #77

You REALLY need to read up on bonobos LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #125

I would love to read about bonobo's what I don't want boston bean Feb 2014 #129

Why take it personally? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #152

If you can't follow along in discussions, it's not my boston bean Feb 2014 #185

Actually it went like this: Bonobo Feb 2014 #241

you left out the part, if you do not believe in evo psych, you do not believe in evolution or some seabeyond Feb 2014 #257

That's what caused all this?? Unbelievable! sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #444

That is the saddest aspect of all this muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #660

Hot sweaty... one_voice Feb 2014 #440

Seriously... LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #514

hell they sound like they're more in... one_voice Feb 2014 #533

This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Feb 2014 #100

That's like saying "prove to me a square is a rectangle!" Silent3 Feb 2014 #45

right which is the point. There is a huge difference. boston bean Feb 2014 #51

No, what's right to the point is that you're wrong about us being apes. Silent3 Feb 2014 #63

Evolution. You can't state that humans are apes boston bean Feb 2014 #81

If that was your point, then why start by emphatically declaring that we aren't apes? Silent3 Feb 2014 #120

In the context of the OP, when confronted with the statement boston bean Feb 2014 #124

Homo sapiens are part of the "great apes" family classification wise. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #59

or they do nto exist at all, merely want to use science to create a new religion by taking behavior seabeyond Feb 2014 #70

Which is the whole point of the naturalistic fallacy. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #90

That is why it is so offensive. boston bean Feb 2014 #98

No argument here. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #103

exactly nuclear. god forbid anyone actually read what scientists say is the fail of evo psych. seabeyond Feb 2014 #104

Well, that is the point. boston bean Feb 2014 #84

"we're also inherently capable of higher reasoning and intelligence than most other species" redqueen Feb 2014 #101

Here is proof LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #308

Whatever. Next you'll tell us that humans are chordates. Orrex Feb 2014 #62

Humans are apes LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #44

Oh, so we are back to stating that our sex lives ought to be just like monkeys and apes. boston bean Feb 2014 #67

Humans. Are. Fucking. Apes. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #85

Oh my, bookmark away. Why so hostile? boston bean Feb 2014 #91

"Threats"??? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #151

oh funny... what you gonna bookmark for boston bean Feb 2014 #169

You said something incredibly, proveably wrong LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #215

recommend away. Nothing I said was provably wrong. boston bean Feb 2014 #228

This is what your link said: LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #321

This is a matter of semantics, which doesn't prove me wrong in the least. boston bean Feb 2014 #327

It was YOUR LINK LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #351

OMG, no one is telling you to not have sex. boston bean Feb 2014 #358

I didn't say you were LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #403

I reject it on the premise that it must be accepted because boston bean Feb 2014 #442

No one said you had to do anything with your sexuality, now did they? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #447

No, the reason for the posting (bonobos) was to diminish the objection boston bean Feb 2014 #451

Sexual attraction is completely natural. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #452

Of course it is. boston bean Feb 2014 #454

I'll wait. n/t LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #456

wait on then. nt boston bean Feb 2014 #461

That's what I thought. Game, set, match. n/t LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #463

I didn't know we were playing a game. boston bean Feb 2014 #497

This.. one_voice Feb 2014 #528

People called me an ape all through this thread. boston bean Feb 2014 #547

and you can ignore the issues with promoting evo psych cause it meets agenda and relegated to the seabeyond Feb 2014 #72

And, they run around naked all the time. pintobean Feb 2014 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Feb 2014 #87

If humans had a similar mating strategy to bonobos, we would probably *be* bonobos. dawg Feb 2014 #15

it is stupid. that simple. and to insist if you call out faux science evo psych, you are seabeyond Feb 2014 #16

"evo psych" gets it exactly backward dawg Feb 2014 #189

we assume. we look at today, and make it work from beginning of time. when they actually seabeyond Feb 2014 #202

The true psychology of human evolution is toward equality of the sexes. dawg Feb 2014 #229

+10000000000 redqueen Feb 2014 #240

this is why it does not work. they are finding women were hunting with the men, or hunting seabeyond Feb 2014 #243

^^^ what dawg said ^^^ MadrasT Feb 2014 #290

Actually we evolved our brains to become larger Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #677

soooo...on the ape spectrum, some men are more "apey" and have more... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #37

I must love apes cause I have never opened a door for one The Straight Story Feb 2014 #53

Now, Straight, don't think about the doors. You know how it upsets you. Squinch Feb 2014 #145

No, not so much me - but it sure upsets people who think The Straight Story Feb 2014 #155

See, there you go. It isn't good for you. Squinch Feb 2014 #159

Ah, the short reply. The Straight Story Feb 2014 #167

Gracious! The doors seem to have you more upset than usual today! Squinch Feb 2014 #179

ba ha ha ha ha. perfect. what is this, two years now, about the damn doors, in every damn post. lol seabeyond Feb 2014 #176

As usual, nothing of import to say (or nothing coherent anyway) The Straight Story Feb 2014 #194

What were your comments that had coherency related to the OP? boston bean Feb 2014 #201

Please I'm begging you get over the door thing ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #380

Get over sexism? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #522

It doesn't bother me. Why does it bother you? aikoaiko Feb 2014 #54

Of course I believe in evolution. boston bean Feb 2014 #69

The only thing that makes the ape thing particulary offensive is the associated history. Silent3 Feb 2014 #107

Telling women they must be sexual creatures for the benefit of men boston bean Feb 2014 #108

Please do post a link to where someone said that. Silent3 Feb 2014 #121

what is offensive is men using it as a new scientific approach to religion to storytell their way to seabeyond Feb 2014 #113

Please provide a link to a DU poster making the case in favor of male dominance over... Silent3 Feb 2014 #134

here would be one, today, in this thread. an Op last night of bonobo. i am not seabeyond Feb 2014 #187

So you're saying that right here in this thread someone is calling for male dominance and... Silent3 Feb 2014 #236

You don't have to believe anything. boston bean Feb 2014 #253

If someone is trying to be convincing, they've taken on some obligation to be convincing. Silent3 Feb 2014 #294

Not so. It's been pretty clear what the issue here is in this thread. boston bean Feb 2014 #299

I have read. I do understand. Silent3 Feb 2014 #312

ok, then enough of the questions. You seem to have come to a conclusion boston bean Feb 2014 #314

Isnt that statement a taxonomical definition long upheld by biology? aikoaiko Feb 2014 #157

Well, it's pretty damn controversial to me boston bean Feb 2014 #162

Correct we are a different species of apes from other apes and would expect differences aikoaiko Feb 2014 #188

Maybe some humans want to have sex with them JI7 Feb 2014 #65

actually, *warning* sad post below: The Story of Pony Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #156

i was hoping this would turn out fake JI7 Feb 2014 #611

had it been Fake, I would Not have posted it. Sorry. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #612

i know you wouldn't have on purpose JI7 Feb 2014 #614

Isn't that what we have been saying all along? money. the economy. the driving force behind all this Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #617

using a body without regard to being a person. that is ALWAYS damaging. that simple. seabeyond Feb 2014 #667

using a body without regard to being a person. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #668

one point. we do not disagree that people will make their choices and that is theirs to live. seabeyond Feb 2014 #669

Do we suddenly have creationism on DU? LittleBlue Feb 2014 #73

I think I missed the OP you're talking about, BostonB cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #83

Funny you should point out the RW treatment of Obama kcr Feb 2014 #106

It just shows who are making the argument cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #161

It's a liberal board that isn't moderated kcr Feb 2014 #164

yeah, it's sad. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #175

I really hope this doesn't mean we're going to have to deal with evo-psyc on this board. seabeyond Feb 2014 #109

Yeah, it's so messed up. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #147

already happened in this thread. i have scientist debunking evo psych in this thread, but no one is seabeyond Feb 2014 #196

Another one I missed, alas. ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #95

You sound like the anti-evolution zealots Renew Deal Feb 2014 #115

funny... since I believe in evolution.. but keep on trucking! boston bean Feb 2014 #118

I'm not saying you don't Renew Deal Feb 2014 #131

Also, from the religious right is that things are the way they are boston bean Feb 2014 #135

Where did this start? Renew Deal Feb 2014 #571

it goes along with evo psych is the new religion in the name of science that allows male dominance seabeyond Feb 2014 #141

How so? ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #140

That would make you anti evolutionary freak.... boston bean Feb 2014 #171

Yeah it was a derailment wasn't it? ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #191

Wiki also calls humans apes LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #340

You are right ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #402

Yet we keep falling into the same trap LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #412

You have a point there. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #430

as always, I considered the source ... and ... honestly, Boston Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #132

Surely calling some woman a dog is more offensive, no? nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #139

More offensive than what? ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #143

... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #150

ha ha ha ha ha. thanks for jumping in with facts. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #206

when you call one that, let me know how it works out for you, kay. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #148

I didn't see the thread at issue, but I did hear about it BainsBane Feb 2014 #166

it does not hurt these mens feelings to see themselves as unevolved apes. it is their definition seabeyond Feb 2014 #217

They seem to think that comparing themselves to apes absolves them of responsibility BainsBane Feb 2014 #231

I think you're letting the animal kingdom off lightly. AZCat Feb 2014 #247

using bad behavior of another animal to justify bad behavior in humans boston bean Feb 2014 #259

No, making soundly supported arguments is the meta-topic. AZCat Feb 2014 #265

Well, it's false to think that it's womens destiny to be treated like and ape. boston bean Feb 2014 #266

I think you're missing the point. AZCat Feb 2014 #288

You are totally missing the point. boston bean Feb 2014 #331

Well, your OP wasn't very clear. AZCat Feb 2014 #341

My OP wasn't clear. here let me re-post it for you boston bean Feb 2014 #345

Yeah, reiteration doesn't make it any better. AZCat Feb 2014 #350

It wasn't a re-iteration, it was a copy and paste. boston bean Feb 2014 #352

That's an interesting tangential argument. AZCat Feb 2014 #359

Because I am a human and I am not a modern day ape. boston bean Feb 2014 #362

That is incorrect, as has been pointed out multiple times in this thread. AZCat Feb 2014 #369

Oh my dear god. Can you please address the point I am making? boston bean Feb 2014 #371

Again, that is incorrect (at least as far as science is concerned). AZCat Feb 2014 #377

I doesn't really matter to me the evolution of whether we are classified as an ape or not. boston bean Feb 2014 #382

I think you've missed some critical parts of my posts. AZCat Feb 2014 #394

Yeah, well there's even more of that bad behavior going on kcr Feb 2014 #606

I'm not sure why this is relevant. AZCat Feb 2014 #623

Why am I not surprised kcr Feb 2014 #625

I'm not sure why you're not surprised. AZCat Feb 2014 #627

This is fun. Emotion versus knowledge. Heart versus mind. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #395

You do know that there are only a few WhiteTara Feb 2014 #182

That isn't what she said ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #216

oh me-e-e, i want to be like you-u-u.... Cofitachequi Feb 2014 #184

Is that you, mrs garrison? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #195

Of course we are like bonobos. rrneck Feb 2014 #208

easy peasy Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #260

Hell, I don't even know what it's about. rrneck Feb 2014 #334

agreed, a link would have been helpful. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #339

women are apes arely staircase Feb 2014 #211

Missing the point. re-read the thread. read the OP. boston bean Feb 2014 #223

nobody is comparing women to apes. women literally ARE apes. arely staircase Feb 2014 #235

I'm sorry, but you don't go telling black people boston bean Feb 2014 #237

black people are apes arely staircase Feb 2014 #248

Oh, so you do call black people apes in the context boston bean Feb 2014 #255

if I am discussing evolutionary biology with one arely staircase Feb 2014 #268

This discussion it not primarily about evolution. boston bean Feb 2014 #271

More anti-science woo mathematic Feb 2014 #225

This has noithing to do with evolution BainsBane Feb 2014 #238

No but it helps to explain why men like the looks of asses so much. Bonobo Feb 2014 #251

And men have no reason to understand why many boston bean Feb 2014 #262

You don't make much sense. Bonobo Feb 2014 #270

I'm not going to accept because bonobo's like ass boston bean Feb 2014 #276

Showing an ass= YOU being FORCED into being treated ONLY as a piece of ass? Bonobo Feb 2014 #284

Well, I guess you don't think I have any autonomy. boston bean Feb 2014 #285

what is wrong is assigning it to evo psych so you are all powerful in your sexuality and womens seabeyond Feb 2014 #289

this makes no sense, there is wide diversity in what physical attributes attract different men. bettyellen Feb 2014 #360

another fail of evo psych. of course those that preach it would assert that the reason. conditioned seabeyond Feb 2014 #274

Wonder why most women don't DISPLAY their asses.... PassingFair Feb 2014 #498

intelligent people are sounding like creationists on this thread arely staircase Feb 2014 #239

Hey, we've got guys giving the Todd Akin view of "rape" vs. "forcible rape" BainsBane Feb 2014 #249

and those guys are apes. Akin is an ape. Einstein was an ape. RW conservative women are apes arely staircase Feb 2014 #258

So fucking what? BainsBane Feb 2014 #261

so people repeatedly saying we aren't are fucking wrong arely staircase Feb 2014 #272

It has nothing to do with creationism or evolution BainsBane Feb 2014 #280

I get what the op is trying to say arely staircase Feb 2014 #292

no. she is arguing bonobos OP that if you do not believe in evo psych, you do not believe in seabeyond Feb 2014 #310

Nevermind the idea that looking at magazines serves no biological purpose BainsBane Feb 2014 #353

They are not denying a basic scientific fact. kcr Feb 2014 #315

"people are not apes, they just aren't" arely staircase Feb 2014 #329

Are you even aware of what the context of this discussion is? kcr Feb 2014 #333

i have not said shit about where we come from. i repeatedly talk the issue about men using evo psyc seabeyond Feb 2014 #300

smart people. genuinely smart people arely staircase Feb 2014 #318

i did not say shit where we came from so do not say i did. this is about bonobos thread telling as seabeyond Feb 2014 #326

And some people are sounding like right wing misogynist apologists kcr Feb 2014 #256

we didn't evolve from apes. we are apes. arely staircase Feb 2014 #277

We are primates, classified as great apes kcr Feb 2014 #303

I haven't used that term to degrade anyone arely staircase Feb 2014 #320

No, but you sure are defending those who are kcr Feb 2014 #322

bullshit arely staircase Feb 2014 #324

Here in this thread kcr Feb 2014 #328

then you are not paying attention. it is a whole fuckin cult. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #330

+1 LittleBlue Feb 2014 #361

I'm really quite disappointed. AZCat Feb 2014 #374

I cannot fathom why a group would want to appear this ignorant LittleBlue Feb 2014 #385

Actually,it's more an argument against using sufrommich Feb 2014 #246

You're absolutely right. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #287

which are supposedly noted for their use of tools, language and capacity for abstract thought arely staircase Feb 2014 #297

We're all a bunch of damn dirty apes! Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #309

So what the hell happened in this thread...? Agschmid Feb 2014 #233

The ape-ocalypse. Orrex Feb 2014 #263

you win nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #281

Heh. +1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #349

Looks as though some didn't take any biological anthropology courses. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #295

No kidding. Agschmid Feb 2014 #363

For your edification: RC Feb 2014 #250

Your tree is out of date BainsBane Feb 2014 #267

No my tree is not out of date. I said we all descended from the same root stock. RC Feb 2014 #313

Um ... dawg Feb 2014 #293

Oh that's awesome! AZCat Feb 2014 #296

And merfolk! :) n/t Silent3 Feb 2014 #305

I know. I included that for some fun, to see if anyone was paying attention. RC Feb 2014 #319

This would be really embarrassing pintobean Feb 2014 #264

This is thread is awesome, but it needs a soundtrack. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #298

This message was self-deleted by its author liberalmuse Feb 2014 #304

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch the stupid is thick in this thread. MadrasT Feb 2014 #306

Am I the only one who hasn't seen a link to the post which has so knotted undergarments? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #316

This message was self-deleted by its author liberalmuse Feb 2014 #323

Recommended! AuntPatsy Feb 2014 #338

^^This^^^ +++++ hlthe2b Feb 2014 #343

Excellent! BainsBane Feb 2014 #346

My takeaway: lots of guys are defending the idea that humans are, sexually, just like apes. Squinch Feb 2014 #368

Not just sexually. Fundamentally. Orrex Feb 2014 #389

The OP, as everyone responding in this thread is aware, specified that the poster did not like Squinch Feb 2014 #413

Being an ape, everything that you do is done as an ape does it. Orrex Feb 2014 #420

Yeah, I figured you would persist in that nonsense, so before I read your Squinch Feb 2014 #425

The OP claimed that she doesn't like being compared to an ape Orrex Feb 2014 #436

"If the original assertion had been that she doesn't like being compared to a bonobo, Squinch Feb 2014 #441

Nothing about the OP was threatening. Orrex Feb 2014 #443

Exactly my point. AZCat Feb 2014 #502

Oh thank god ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #387

Let's clarify the context of this thread BainsBane Feb 2014 #317

Some just have a hard time handling the truth.... AuntPatsy Feb 2014 #342

What truth is that? BainsBane Feb 2014 #348

This thread is friggin' hilarious! quinnox Feb 2014 #336

It is and it isn't, and that's the simple truth...proof that we have not fully evolved...kind of sad AuntPatsy Feb 2014 #347

Good to see the meta forum is back mokawanis Feb 2014 #357

From my point of view Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #364

Dear OP LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #370

I'm sorry for not being as eloquent as some believe I should be. boston bean Feb 2014 #373

I've tried to make this point several times (likely not as well). AZCat Feb 2014 #379

I've tried several times ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #416

IT doesn't matter kcr Feb 2014 #383

Actually I do get it LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #418

Then what is coming into the thread and arguing with her saying "We are apes!" doing? kcr Feb 2014 #422

Probably defending other issues we also care about LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #602

But no one is denying a scientific fact. This isn't an anti-evolution thread. kcr Feb 2014 #603

This is proving fruitless LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #613

And your attempt to explain is falling flatter than a pancake kcr Feb 2014 #620

Well even the best reply will fall flat when the other person won't listen. LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #640

There seem to be a number of similar sub-threads going on in this thread. AZCat Feb 2014 #642

I have noticed. LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #645

No proof offered? kcr Feb 2014 #643

Proving the sky is blue LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #646

That's what I thought. Goodnight! kcr Feb 2014 #649

Very well said. I would also add using sufrommich Feb 2014 #428

It was also used to treat boston bean Feb 2014 #445

There are benefits to living on the West Coast. Like sleeping through this whole train wreck. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #375

And all men are "ass men", LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #376

I don't either, but the fact is we are apes... Deep13 Feb 2014 #381

So you think women should accept boston bean Feb 2014 #388

Pretty sure I never said that. nt Deep13 Feb 2014 #390

I asked a question. because I'm damned tired of boston bean Feb 2014 #392

The feminists on DU are anti-evolution! kcr Feb 2014 #393

The feminists on DU would be better served (in my opinion)... AZCat Feb 2014 #396

Some people would be better served not twisting what others say kcr Feb 2014 #400

I think it's quite clear. AZCat Feb 2014 #460

Are we in a thread about creationists vs evolutionists? kcr Feb 2014 #465

Does that mean you can employ whatever arguments you wish in support of your cause... AZCat Feb 2014 #469

Of course not. kcr Feb 2014 #472

No, it's quite explicit. AZCat Feb 2014 #480

No, I don't think so. kcr Feb 2014 #481

I think we're going to have to disagree. AZCat Feb 2014 #484

You do that. Stick with that stance! kcr Feb 2014 #488

A matter of semantics taken to the extreme. boston bean Feb 2014 #401

It is not a matter of semantics. AZCat Feb 2014 #464

right.... boston bean Feb 2014 #471

You're an ape, no semantics required. AZCat Feb 2014 #476

really? boston bean Feb 2014 #503

I think that applies more appropriately to your posts rather than mine. AZCat Feb 2014 #508

Well, excuse me for not being ms. evolutionary perfect. boston bean Feb 2014 #513

You might think we're being pedantic (and we are)... AZCat Feb 2014 #521

I'm not belittling anything. boston bean Feb 2014 #523

That is also a false claim and you are justified (IMO) in feeling insulted. AZCat Feb 2014 #526

The claim that I am not an ape? boston bean Feb 2014 #536

No, the claim that you are " an anti evolutionary right wing religious nut bag." AZCat Feb 2014 #540

And in the context of the OP boston bean Feb 2014 #559

I'm not sure what ball you're trying to move forward. AZCat Feb 2014 #562

right, that is what I was trying to do. Yet I am still bombarded boston bean Feb 2014 #564

I guess we all have been schooled boston bean Feb 2014 #397

It's amusing how indignant and defensive they are kcr Feb 2014 #404

Almost as if we are deeply invested in pro-science causes. AZCat Feb 2014 #468

I wonder why it is that suddenly so many deeply invested in pro-science causes kcr Feb 2014 #470

I don't think I agree with your conclusion that we are failures when it comes to context. AZCat Feb 2014 #473

Oh, is that what they're doing? kcr Feb 2014 #474

I'm not sure why you think it's degrading. AZCat Feb 2014 #482

Oh, so you call people apes all the time then? kcr Feb 2014 #527

About as much as I call them "mammals". AZCat Feb 2014 #531

Really? In your every day interaction with people? kcr Feb 2014 #534

Pretty much the same frequency. AZCat Feb 2014 #541

No. I think people are playing games when they make wild, highly improbable claims kcr Feb 2014 #543

I think that's called an argument from incredulity. AZCat Feb 2014 #545

Oh, okay. No more benefit of the doubt. kcr Feb 2014 #549

<sigh> AZCat Feb 2014 #550

Well, of course not. You randomly call people that name. kcr Feb 2014 #551

Nobody seems to ever be offended. AZCat Feb 2014 #552

Right! kcr Feb 2014 #556

I'm not sure, which is why I asked. AZCat Feb 2014 #558

I don't know. I have never known or seen anyone else who does this. kcr Feb 2014 #561

Not in my experience. AZCat Feb 2014 #563

The response I don't expect to see on a progressive board boston bean Feb 2014 #475

Yep. Science means you have to accept being treated like garbage kcr Feb 2014 #478

You should be rejecting that argument whenever you see it. AZCat Feb 2014 #490

Absolutely, I do reject anti-evolution and creationist arguments. kcr Feb 2014 #494

Where have you seen me support degrading human beings? AZCat Feb 2014 #496

It's obvious you're rationalizing it kcr Feb 2014 #519

No, that's not what is happening. AZCat Feb 2014 #524

No, but I can interpret based on what I see. kcr Feb 2014 #525

Ahh, yes - because I haven't been convinced by your arguments in this thread... AZCat Feb 2014 #529

Well, it shouldn't be too hard to convince a person that calling people apes kcr Feb 2014 #539

Why is that? AZCat Feb 2014 #542

Okay. But are you talking to anti-science creationist nutjobs now? Noooooooooo! kcr Feb 2014 #546

I'm not qualified to determine if I suffer from a rare neurological or personality disorder. AZCat Feb 2014 #548

Hey kcr Feb 2014 #553

You aren't expected to have a catalog of my posts memorized... (that'd be ridiculous!) AZCat Feb 2014 #554

Uh. What are you talking about ? n/t kcr Feb 2014 #557

The part of my post you excerpted... AZCat Feb 2014 #560

I don't expect to see it either. AZCat Feb 2014 #487

Well, take it from me, the OP. boston bean Feb 2014 #489

I don't know, I think there was some value. AZCat Feb 2014 #493

Go, you. kcr Feb 2014 #492

Well, no, they're not like apes. They ARE apes. AZCat Feb 2014 #495

Oh, my gawd... Do you honestly not see that you are not in an evolution debate!? kcr Feb 2014 #500

Except the OP. AZCat Feb 2014 #501

Okay, I give up. kcr Feb 2014 #504

games. that simple. dont play kcr. beyond absurd. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #506

I believe you intended to reply to kcr, not me. AZCat Feb 2014 #512

I saw it, and she was right. kcr Feb 2014 #532

I think you associate much more with the word "ape" than I do. AZCat Feb 2014 #537

I do not find the word pejorative kcr Feb 2014 #566

I'm sorry that bringing facts into an argument is viewed as a detraction. AZCat Feb 2014 #622

That context should be ignored when it has nothing to do at all with what's being talked about kcr Feb 2014 #624

I don't agree with that at all. AZCat Feb 2014 #626

No, I'm not arguing that kcr Feb 2014 #628

Well that's what your post says. AZCat Feb 2014 #629

Another explanation kcr Feb 2014 #630

And the cases where you've misinterpreted my meaning? AZCat Feb 2014 #632

If I've misinterpreted anytthing, feel free to point it out. kcr Feb 2014 #634

I have. Multiple times. AZCat Feb 2014 #635

Oh. Yeah, the you call everyone apes thing. kcr Feb 2014 #637

Hmm no, that's not part of the set I was thinking of. n/t AZCat Feb 2014 #638

everyone knows what BB was saying and referring to. the jury that did not participate knew seabeyond Feb 2014 #507

Maybe it would be good for you to list "the feminists on DU" lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #406

I think your list would be more interesting. boston bean Feb 2014 #407

I think it should be the ones who get all fired up about them who do the listing kcr Feb 2014 #408

I get a laugh out of the "we" and "us" that flows so liberally in your posts. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #414

That would be because there are many posts in this thread boston bean Feb 2014 #417

You're seeing the downside of your Sisters in the Army of God(dess) approach. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #434

No, I don't think so. A subthread back and forth with you doesn't constitute a "doubling down" kcr Feb 2014 #457

I'm amused by what some people find to nitpick when they don't have an actual valid argument n/t kcr Feb 2014 #426

Flambé ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #427

Ahem...a small group of feminists on DU are anti-evolution. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #483

Try no feminists are n/t kcr Feb 2014 #486

really, could you pm me those feminists who are anti evolution? nt boston bean Feb 2014 #491

Hey boston, do me a favor...ban me the fuck from HoF. I know I've never posted msanthrope Feb 2014 #509

wow, hostile much? boston bean Feb 2014 #510

Yes..because there are posts so cringingly bad on this thread that right now, we have anti-vaxxers msanthrope Feb 2014 #516

by all means, respond with the names here. boston bean Feb 2014 #520

You need names to figure out who was stumped by 9th grade science? msanthrope Feb 2014 #530

Yes, I need the names, cause I don't know who you are talking about. boston bean Feb 2014 #567

I do not find your professed ignorance on the former credible. msanthrope Feb 2014 #583

good, i'm glad I was able to provide you a laugh. boston bean Feb 2014 #584

What the hell do you mean you have to look me up? I'm right here. I'm not msanthrope Feb 2014 #589

cannot do it. figure out why yourself. boston bean Feb 2014 #590

You guys have done bans on people for posts they've made outside that forum. Ban me. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #593

that would be untrue. go ask in ata. boston bean Feb 2014 #594

Right...I'll post, and you'll ban me but leave the post up in HoF msanthrope Feb 2014 #600

you want to be blocked boston bean Feb 2014 #601

Apparently you do give a shit who posts there...you have 45 people blocked. You apparently msanthrope Feb 2014 #605

I don't care whether YOU post in there or not. boston bean Feb 2014 #610

. one_voice Feb 2014 #587

"Evolution" = "no longer the same as originating species" MadrasT Feb 2014 #499

I had never heard that before. Deep13 Feb 2014 #409

Well, when you got some boston bean Feb 2014 #411

Isn't your objection to that view also the result of biology? Deep13 Feb 2014 #421

Of course we are all naturally occurring creatures. boston bean Feb 2014 #429

Think so? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #438

Well, I do think that if you compared them marrying an animal boston bean Feb 2014 #439

And that was what Bonobo's OP was about, was it? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #450

Your post was actually to goalpost shift. boston bean Feb 2014 #453

Good grief, the context is right above you! LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #455

yeah and you left out my response to you. boston bean Feb 2014 #458

There is a difference between comparing intraspecies behavior, LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #462

More accusations. I am not a troll. I am not trolling. boston bean Feb 2014 #467

we are looking at it from our human eyes today and applying. seabeyond Feb 2014 #459

Well, I don't think we can use the behavior of other species... Deep13 Feb 2014 #479

i love the last sentence. and i certainly agree with your whole post. seabeyond Feb 2014 #485

Where did this argument start? Renew Deal Feb 2014 #570

Here: LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #592

Nah, I'll take the blame. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #596

Apes are smarter My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #386

... rrneck Feb 2014 #398

I would never pipi_k Feb 2014 #405

... ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #431

I'm so stealing that. sufrommich Feb 2014 #432

Just dropping in to say I went straight from the OP to here without reading a single post. rug Feb 2014 #477

boston, have you taken one on the bean? Loaded Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #535

Well, I wouldn't mind rabbits. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #544

Stupidest thread ever. mimi85 Feb 2014 #577

Where on DU did this comparison come from? yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #585

here seabeyond Feb 2014 #588

It seems the contention falls under evolutionary biology, not Evo psych stevenleser Feb 2014 #595

Nope, this is straight up evolutionary psychology kcr Feb 2014 #608

no it's not straight up evolutionary psychology RainDog Feb 2014 #619

Yes, it is kcr Feb 2014 #621

He said that humans are animals RainDog Feb 2014 #631

He's not just saying women are animals kcr Feb 2014 #633

"THen why are you participating in this one?" RainDog Feb 2014 #636

Okay kcr Feb 2014 #639

okay RainDog Feb 2014 #644

Oh kcr Feb 2014 #647

That's a factual statement RainDog Feb 2014 #648

Well, okay, then my statements are factual too. kcr Feb 2014 #650

LOL RainDog Feb 2014 #654

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the poll kcr Feb 2014 #655

A DU poll RainDog Feb 2014 #656

DU is on the internet kcr Feb 2014 #657

I don't hate that group RainDog Feb 2014 #659

Some point by point kcr Feb 2014 #671

Here's your poll RainDog - 690 responses 22 recs. seaglass Feb 2014 #670

I assume you're not serious RainDog Feb 2014 #674

I was serious because I thought you were talking about content that some object to seaglass Feb 2014 #679

ah, I misunderstood too RainDog Feb 2014 #680

good post. n/t tammywammy Feb 2014 #641

This thread is severely lacking in Otto... opiate69 Feb 2014 #586

They don't understand science books either, apparently LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #597

Lol.. No doubt.. Also... opiate69 Feb 2014 #598

Oh for fucks sake deutsey Feb 2014 #599

Woman here, and I agree with your point. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #604

This message was self-deleted by its author Inkfreak Feb 2014 #607

Take Your Stinkin' Paws Off Me, You Damn Dirty Ape! WinkyDink Feb 2014 #615

This thread is a bunch of WTF neverforget Feb 2014 #651

Woman weighing in... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #653

I'd like to dedicate of one of my favorite film clips to this entire thread. edbermac Feb 2014 #658

hmm... chervilant Feb 2014 #672

Since humans ARE primates and apes ARE primates kdmorris Feb 2014 #676

I see little purpose in pretending that homo sapiens are not apes. Laelth Feb 2014 #678