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TorchTheWitch

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36. no doubt he is a racist, and yes, I've read the letters
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:33 PM
Feb 2014

I've not made any argument about that his being a racist. There is no doubt that he is. That doesn't mean that the REASON he shot at those kids was because they were black. That's ridiculous on its face. Unlike most people here I've also seen all of the actual trial as well as a long interview with two of Dunn's previous long time next door neighbors. There's no question that the REASON he shot at those boys was not because they were black but because one of them defied him and talked back to him. He would have done the same thing had they been white and all other circumstances were the same. He became enraged, lost control of himself and went for his gun which was exactly his personality and exactly why his neighbors who knew him well were unsurprised and knew that at some time in the future he was going to shoot someone... not necessarily a black someone or a brown someone but ANYONE who got stuck in a confrontation with him and it being the straw that broke the camel's back when Dunn finally lost control just as those people that knew him like his two neighbors predicted.

Zimmerman is also a racist. But the REASON he shot Martin was not because he was black. He profiled and followed Martin mostly because he was black but also because of his youth and his attire. Had Martin been black, older and wearing a coat and tie carrying an umbrella would he have profiled and followed him? No. And he wouldn't have because although this fictitious person was black in other ways he did not fit the profile of a person Zimmerman was hunting for. Zimmerman shot Martin not because he was black but because Martin was terrified of him (for good reason) and when confronted by him stood his ground and fought back which would have scared the shit out of Zimmerman. No one here has ever believed that Zimmerman would have gotten out of his car and followed Martin if he didn't have his gun muscles. Zimmerman is also one of those people that are made bold by having a gun, go looking to get into altercations with people because of those gun muscles and he also lost control and shot someone. But he didn't kill Martin BECAUSE he was black. There is far more reason to assign racism to Zimmerman in that case than there is against Dunn in this case because there is EVIDENCE that shows that he chose to follow Martin and confront him because he profiled him as a "bad guy" mostly because of his race. There is NO actual EVIDENCE in the Dunn case that the REASON he shot at those boys was because they were black. Yes, he is a racist and believes that black people are beneath him, but he also believes that EVERYONE is beneath him regardless of their race or age or gender or intelligence or anything else.

Dunn didn't shoot them because they were playing loud music either. The music was simply the reason that Dunn used to start an altercation with them. It was not the music that made him so enraged and lose control it was because Davis talked back to him and told Tevin to turn the music back on which Tevin did though not as loud (which they had every right to do though it wasn't the best mannerly thing to do). Had Dunn started this altercation about the music and no one in the car talked back to him and the music was turned down Dunn would have been satisfied and congratulating himself of his believed superiority. It was the fact that Davis talked back to him that so enraged Dunn that he finally lost control and why Dunn first aimed his gun at HIM though the other kids in the car were just as black. And none of it had shit in shinola to do with any of the kids being black. He would have considered them "thugs" if they were white and playing the same kind of music and wearing the same kind of clothes just as so many people do where I live and when the vast majority of the sort of teenagers that dress in hoodies and baggy pants, listen to loud rap music, ride around in vehicles with tinted windows, talk with a lot of four-letter words, etc. are white.

It really annoys me that every black victim at the hands of a white person is claimed to be because of racism when it isn't. It's almost always a lot more complicated than that, and in the Dunn case it had nothing to do with the reason he shot at those boys despite him being a racist and why it never came up in court and shouldn't have. Go watch the trial yourself. The evidence as to the reason why Dunn shot at those boys is clear, and clearly not because Dunn is a racist. Sorry that it's contrary to what you and obviously so many others here want to believe.

Prosecutor Guy in his rebuttal closing argument used the line that so many other attorneys have used - "The survivors deserve respect and the dead deserve the truth." And I emphatically disagree. BOTH the survivors and the dead deserve respect and BOTH deserve the truth. It is a terrible disservice to the surviving boys in that car, their families and friends, Davis and his family and friends to tell them the truth is something that it isn't and only what you want to believe that it is. Those boys and their families and friends know what the truth is and know they weren't shot at simply because they were black. They know they came across a crazy man with a gun who was incapable of controlling himself, not just a racist with a gun looking to pick off black people. The surviving boys in that car LIVED that horrible experience, are re-living it now and will continue to live it for the rest of their lives. It really pisses me off to so disrespect them as to warp the truth into something you want it to be rather than what THEY KNOW it to be and exactly what the evidence showed it to be.

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My Music is Not a Weapon [View all] sheshe2 Feb 2014 OP
Wow, poignant, powerful. It speaks to my arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #1
I wish I could rec this more than once.... one_voice Feb 2014 #2
We have to stop this, you are so very right, one_voice! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #4
Hold your nephews tight, one_voice. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #5
this was never about loud music TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #3
Exactly. He fired his gun because black people are too uppity since they stole the White House. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #14
No, he fired his gun because a teenager talked back to him making him angry TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #17
he is a racist arely staircase Feb 2014 #18
Ever notice the PANIC to make sure it's NOT about race? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #20
His emails show a studied obsession with race and the relative power of the races in the USA enables freshwest Feb 2014 #21
I've seen people who try to claim the KKK wasn't about race. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #32
Well, that shows a high level of imagination on their part, nothing to do with history... n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #34
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba Feb 2014 #22
ALWAYS noiretextatique Feb 2014 #31
oh please, it's the TRUTH TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #38
You don't KNOW that to be the case and the evidence says otherwise. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #41
"The Dunn case was never about race" alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #26
Did you see the letters he wrote? kcr Feb 2014 #33
no doubt he is a racist, and yes, I've read the letters TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #36
It's the they weren't wearing white pointy robes and directly proclaiming racist intent kcr Feb 2014 #37
in the zimmerman case of course not TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #39
"Just stop trying to make this all about race when it isn't." kcr Feb 2014 #40
Bullshit. It was because it was an SUV full of black kids Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #29
I can't drive, Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #6
Jamaal, you are so young, yet have wisdom beyond your years. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #8
Can't stop crying looking at his parents there. His dad, in particular. So much pain, both of them: freshwest Feb 2014 #7
I know freshwest. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #9
looking at the parents is the hardest part for me too arely staircase Feb 2014 #19
Any chance of the judge running his sentences consecutively? rocktivity Feb 2014 #10
According to what I have read, sentences have to run consecutively. But I don't know for sure. Hoyt Feb 2014 #11
I once watched a sentencing hearing on TV where the defendant was such a bad apple rocktivity Feb 2014 #13
I'd like yo see it retried too unless there is any chance of him coming out better. The young man Hoyt Feb 2014 #15
You're right -- CUE THE VONAGE THEME! rocktivity Feb 2014 #25
When I was 17... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #12
I am 62 Blus4u Feb 2014 #28
I hear you... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #30
HUMONGOUS K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #16
K&R Scuba Feb 2014 #23
K & R malaise Feb 2014 #24
So sorry shenmue Feb 2014 #27
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