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78. Almost all of the bad outcomes for men can be traced back to patriarchal expectations.

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:09 PM

Feb 2014

It is a fundamental misunderstanding of feminism fail to realize that we're trying to make things better for EVERYBODY.

Men suffer when their partners are underpaid. Men suffer when narrow gender roles paint them into a box.

Women are more likely to seek higher education to compensate for being chronically underpaid and frozen out of relatively well-paying unskilled labor.

Violent socialization means men are both the perpetrators and the victims of the lion's share of violent crime.

Gendered notions of parental responsibility hurt children.

Who's doing something about all of those problems?

FEMINISTS.

Who isn't doing jack shit?

"Men's rights" advocates

What DO they do (besides whine on the internet?) They fought against the Violence Against Women Act, and against the protection of trafficked women in particular. They harass women who express themselves in the media or on the internet. Increasingly they team up with conservative religious groups to advocate against women's rights or health care.

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Misogyny sucks...Misandry sucks... [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 OP

K & R rdharma Feb 2014 #1

I think we all need to be sensitive to objectifying people... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #3

Me too shenmue Feb 2014 #2

And, sometimes, the Internet sucks BeyondGeography Feb 2014 #4

I think the answer had something to do with apes BainsBane Feb 2014 #5

Isn't that preaching to the choir? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #6

depends on your definition of infested, I suppose. -- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #7

No, this is not the choir. BainsBane Feb 2014 #8

"There is worse sexism here than I have ever encountered offline." OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #54

because only men can determine what sexism is BainsBane Feb 2014 #69

Speaking of sexism... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #122

Am I wrong? BainsBane Feb 2014 #128

Your words: OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #129

So I'm right. BainsBane Feb 2014 #130

Right about what? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #131

How about those commercials on T.V? S.A.M Feb 2014 #9

No, it's gender roles nonsense. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #13

After today, I think the choir is a little smaller than I once did kcr Feb 2014 #11

I missed the "Apes" kerfuffle DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #14

OP objected to being compared to apes kcr Feb 2014 #18

Biology wasn't my forte...I liked the social sciences... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #20

You're making a distinction that does not exist Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #23

which tasks can they do better? hfojvt Feb 2014 #50

If you found yourself sitting alone in a jungle... Marr Feb 2014 #57

You're measuring their abilities by human standards Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #58

what is not worth taking seriously hfojvt Feb 2014 #91

"Superior" is a value judgment Distant Quasar Feb 2014 #120

Can you breathe underwater, run 50mph or see well in the dark? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #71

check, check, check hfojvt Feb 2014 #90

None of that changes the fact that there is no such thing as "more evolved" NuclearDem Feb 2014 #97

Speciatic Exceptionalism. Feral Child Feb 2014 #110

Bear... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #133

Touche' Feral Child Feb 2014 #150

they're gonna catch up - just you wait hfojvt Feb 2014 #51

"I don't think DU is infested with misogynists"... Infested? No, not at all... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #19

I would think that a misogynist group would violate DU's TOS. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #25

Oh... I have addressed their talking points directly many times Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #28

I think I recall something similar to what you're talking about. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #34

ahhh yes... 'forcible rape'... Who is it now trying to seperate rape into terms like that? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #52

"Consensual rape" sounds like an oxymoron. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #64

Yes, it certainly does... Perhaps you should not put it in those terms. Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #67

Someone should. JTFrog Feb 2014 #86

"MRA" talking point sounds like "NRA" talking points... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #108

If this is the choir, then the choir is singing off tune and needs practice gollygee Feb 2014 #56

So tell us, were the women on the SI cover not living, not breathing, and somehow not 3D? 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #24

Way to miss the point BainsBane Feb 2014 #26

Doubtless they will be thrilled to hear that "It's not about them as people". 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #31

So tell us, when was the last time a mainstream magazine -- or even DU -- featured a photo pnwmom Feb 2014 #95

Sexual dimorphism Feral Child Feb 2014 #112

wow. what an insulting post of passive aggressive, you emotionally hysterical woman you... lol. seabeyond Feb 2014 #114

Stream of consciousness. Feral Child Feb 2014 #132

no passive aggressive insulting here. oh noes!!11!!11!!!!!. arent you the "goddamn" man seabeyond Feb 2014 #134

Tedious. Feral Child Feb 2014 #152

Your reply is childish and anti-intelectual. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #136

+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #149

Bye-bye! Feral Child Feb 2014 #151

Soon my Feral friend, soon. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #153

Whatever. Feral Child Feb 2014 #155

Aww. Twice in a row. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #158

+1. nt sufrommich Feb 2014 #156

Capitalist media is inherently biological? BainsBane Feb 2014 #117

biology compels men to look at mass market, digitally altered images... rather than perpetuating the seabeyond Feb 2014 #119

I've found that, in these matters, female members displace their anger toward, let's just say... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #10

Oh no, there is sexism on the left and in the center. Lunacee_2013 Feb 2014 #39

understood WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #40

Well shit, that was easy. Lunacee_2013 Feb 2014 #89

LOL BainsBane Feb 2014 #121

When did the gender war begin here? progressoid Feb 2014 #12

Winner! CrispyQ Feb 2014 #154

by the way, misandry is acceptable WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #15

They have this mens group which supposedly battles misandry DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #16

Yeah, but you're more level headed well grounded than a lot of us WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #17

No it's not. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #30

of course it's not acceptable, broadly speaking, but at DU? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #32

All that "misandry" comprises of is the stupid gender roles pushed by men backfiring. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #33

so that gives women license to tee-off WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #36

Ugh. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #44

ugh... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #47

as a matter of fact, seabeyond is the only woman I've seen... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #37

Would you demand that of other minorities as well? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #46

where did I say demand? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #48

Then what the hell was your point? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #53

doors.* Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #75

I'VE HAD IT WITH MEN!!! Skittles Feb 2014 #81

Oh YOU. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #87

There are a few others Major Nikon Feb 2014 #92

That was perfectly worded and to the point. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #113

Not even close. Isn't even close enough to see the parking lot where that league plays. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #63

Agreed..... Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #21

Especially since misandry is such a huge social problem and causes kestrel91316 Feb 2014 #22

example #1 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #27

Fuck all misogynists on DU and in the greater world. kestrel91316 Feb 2014 #66

To be fair Nevernose Feb 2014 #49

Nothing to see here... move along lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #60

sure just like racism and reverse racism both suck nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #29

There is theKed Feb 2014 #93

it's about as common as 'misandry' nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #157

You misunderstand theKed Feb 2014 #161

Exactly! Why is this so hard to understand for a certain few? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #164

Misandry is a figment of the imagination of neckbeards on the internet. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #35

+ a bazillion TDale313 Feb 2014 #38

OK, what word is acceptable to you? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #42

How about "it's not a thing" NuclearDem Feb 2014 #55

So no one on earth irrationally hates men? n/t Kurska Feb 2014 #79

Not enough for it to be even worth noticing. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #84

Institutional prejudice is a very real problem, that is true. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #115

some of you are playing games with semantics because you don't WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #45

good grief... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #41

Your posts serve as exhibit #1 to the contrary. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #59

Impatience with stupidity is oppression now? LeftyMom Feb 2014 #62

There are a myriad of socio-economic standards in which men do worse. mythology Feb 2014 #77

Almost all of the bad outcomes for men can be traced back to patriarchal expectations. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #78

Fuckin' A XemaSab Feb 2014 #80

+1 myrna minx Feb 2014 #160

That much is true, sadly. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #166

Tell that to my brother going through a custody dispute Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #73

I suppose I'll do that right after I go tell my dad he didn't raise two kids on his own. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #76

Google is spotty and unresponsive in China, as is yahoo many times. Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #88

It's a synonym for a nerdy guy./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #124

We never had to register for the draft. eShirl Feb 2014 #107

Phew! Do you serve bad fried chicken, too? Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #111

I think this joke fits right in here. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #43

The title of your OP implies a false equivalency, and that's a big part of the problem. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #61

I think reacting to folks based on their immutable characteristics is fucked up.... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #65

Misandry is a dumb false equivalence. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #85

Since when were women ever blamed for anything? Major Nikon Feb 2014 #94

Of course it doesn't make sense. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #98

Then why do you do it? Major Nikon Feb 2014 #100

It's a very foundational element of fascism and nationalism. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #101

So you acknowledge the idea of the patriarchy as a conspiracy theory is stupid Major Nikon Feb 2014 #102

We've had a miscommunication here, my fault. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #103

It most certainly is a thing Major Nikon Feb 2014 #104

Alright, perhaps "blame" isn't the right word. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #109

So if a male feels beset upon for being a male we shouldn't have empathy for his plight?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #105

No sensible feminist or human being in general is trying to make a man feel bad for being a man. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #106

So there are no problems that attach to being male... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #116

And 99% of feminists don't. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #165

My husband laughs at Misandry because it's a made up thing. bravenak Feb 2014 #127

And "Reverse racism" doesn't actually exist because..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #162

I've been on DU faithfully since 2001 deutsey Feb 2014 #68

Misogyny is THICK in the Republican party... yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #70

It's acceptable to shoot men to shit. Look at what my brother's psycho ex-wife is doing to Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #72

when did it stop? Texasgal Feb 2014 #74

Bashing anyone based on their gender is wrong davidpdx Feb 2014 #82

Discrimination is wrong, but some of it needs to be called out more often than others. alp227 Feb 2014 #83

Why is a serious question like this flame bait? Why was the first SI photo post NOT flame bait? pnwmom Feb 2014 #96

"old DU" DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #123

Demographic wars are the bread and butter of successful politics. CFLDem Feb 2014 #99

"A plague on both your houses" in politics is usually lazy thinking, frankly Recursion Feb 2014 #118

I empathize with anybody who feels oppressed. I really haven't established a hierarchy of oppression. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #125

The white college students holding reverse-affirmative action bake sales? redqueen Feb 2014 #135

That's a reductio ad absurdum. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #137

Nope it's a direct analogy. redqueen Feb 2014 #138

You show an amazing lack of empathy./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #139

Here's a suggestion: Do a search and find the forums where lots of people are on board redqueen Feb 2014 #141

Wow..."My hurt is real...Your hurt isn't real..." sounds callous to me. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #142

You seem to be insisting on conflating oppression with other issues. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #143

If the end result is ruination for the individual, does it matter?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #144

When you're trying to invent new forms of oppression (i.e. "misandry")? redqueen Feb 2014 #145

If society is holding men to standards that are killing them to meet... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #146

And there's the rub. Feminists are challenging those standards. redqueen Feb 2014 #147

I tend to oppose strict gender roles/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #148

"who think racism against white people is actually a thing." Unfortunately, it kinda *is*........... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #163

Exactly right. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #140

Not many recs Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #126

While I agree... 1awake Feb 2014 #159

LOL. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #167