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MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. You don't know what caused him to kill himself; assuming doesn't help his family or honor him.
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:35 PM
Feb 2014

For all you know, his military service may have been the one thing that went right for him.

I had a sailor who worked for me, never once went in harm's way, avoided dangerous assignments or war-zone conflits, bounced from air-conditioned workcenter to air-conditioned workcenter, and was, sadly, afflicted with schizophrenia. He was separated from service and later committed "suicide by cop." He loved being in the military; his condition (aggravated by his inability to comply with anything resembling compliance with his medication schedule) resulted in his medical discharge/retirement. His mother told me she felt he put himself in a situation where he'd be gunned down BECAUSE he'd lost his military career, even though he had sufficient time in service to be retired, and wasn't left destitute, either monetarily or medically.

You don't know where the guy was being deployed--was he on a ship seeing the Western Pacific or the sunny Mediterranean? In an aviation squadron, forced to "endure" the rigors of Japan or Italy or (gasp-horror) Spain?

The assumption that every deployment "sucks" just "because/military" is one that many civilians (who know zip/zero/nada about military customs, culture or the All Volunteer Force) make. Plenty of servicemembers don't simply like their jobs, they love them. It's why they stay in past their enlistment contracts or commissioned service obligations.

No one is forced to join the military. In fact, in most branches, people are fighting to hang on to their jobs. The military is DOWNSIZING now. Pretty much anyone who wants to leave can just ask, and they'll be shown the door. Plenty who want to stay can't stay, because they're overmanned in some specialities, because they're culling out the too fat, the poor test takers, the occasional pot smokers, the surly or disobedient, and the ones who can't run fast enough or do a sufficient number of push ups.


... IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #1
"Hey, thanks for serving and what not. Hope you can deal with the trauma!" NuclearDem Feb 2014 #2
So sorry for your loss.... CherokeeDem Feb 2014 #3
How horrible. You and his family have my condolences. MrsKirkley Feb 2014 #4
I'm sorry.. one_voice Feb 2014 #5
This has been happening for awhile Cirque du So-What Feb 2014 #6
So sorry for everyone's loss, yours, his family, us here at du and me here at home madokie Feb 2014 #7
I am so sorry. Squinch Feb 2014 #8
Very Sorry btrflykng9 Feb 2014 #9
I am so sorry for your loss. Peace to you, and to your student's family and friends. magical thyme Feb 2014 #10
I'm very very sorry n/t Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #11
My condolences to you and to his family davidpdx Feb 2014 #12
The things we ask our children to do are more than they can at times. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #13
All that and it includes none of what the solder is going through his or herself. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #15
I think we need to deploy most of Congress. Ilsa Feb 2014 #14
I Agree grilled onions Feb 2014 #44
I am so sorry shenmue Feb 2014 #16
So sorry YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #17
So very sad... ReRe Feb 2014 #18
I mourn your loss hotrod0808 Feb 2014 #19
You and your family have my sympathy. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #22
Sorry for this loss. Agschmid Feb 2014 #20
How many more do we have to lose before we get sick of this perpetual war? I am LoisB Feb 2014 #21
For you, your student, and his friends and family: Brigid Feb 2014 #23
how sad, i'm sorry Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #24
No words. flying rabbit Feb 2014 #25
Damn. calimary Feb 2014 #26
I am so sorry, breaks the heart .... arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #27
You don't know what caused him to kill himself; assuming doesn't help his family or honor him. MADem Feb 2014 #28
He was being deployed a second time. He was not being forced out. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #29
He was in the NAVY. You do know that deployment is typical in military careers? MADem Feb 2014 #30
And some ARE related which you seem not to accept! n-t Logical Feb 2014 #32
Well, that's not even slightly true. MADem Feb 2014 #35
I'm taken aback by the hostil name calling. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #45
Look, I am not "hostil" name calling. MADem Feb 2014 #46
"I cant help but feel..." Feel is the operative word. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #48
Yes, you were opining. MADem Feb 2014 #49
I started to research this since you called me pompous. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #50
The link I offered addresses this. MADem Feb 2014 #51
You were right and I was wrong. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #53
Doesn't really matter in the big scheme of things--he's gone, and people left behind are asking MADem Feb 2014 #57
I've already done that. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #58
Good for you. That was a great kindness on your part. MADem Feb 2014 #59
As a retired soldier myself AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #33
+1 nt MADem Feb 2014 #34
Exactly, deployment in the Navy could be a six month Mediterranean cruise. B Calm Feb 2014 #39
I understand that the Navy can be a cake walk compared to the Army. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #40
One thing you don't have to do is march 13 miles with 50 pounds of B Calm Feb 2014 #41
This is true, and "hot racking" is pretty much a thing of the past with SMART SHIPS technology. MADem Feb 2014 #47
There are people with psychological issues in all walks of life. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #31
Sad. Serving in the US military is little more than working for Big Oil and the MIC anymore. blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #36
I am sorry for his loss. merrily Feb 2014 #37
Altogether too many, any more............ raven mad Feb 2014 #38
Suicide sucks. I'll be thinking of you, OP. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #42
I am so very sorry. HappyMe Feb 2014 #43
I caught your OP title several days ago but couldn't handle it then. IrishAyes Feb 2014 #52
Thank you for your reply. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #54
The suicide that haunts me most happened on a stateside military base years ago. You probably know IrishAyes Feb 2014 #56
This is so sad. Teaching someone, then losing them is a special pain. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #55
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