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Notafraidtoo

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5. Detroit was destroyed by NAFTA

Mon Feb 17, 2014, 01:07 AM

Feb 2014

Detroit was destroyed by NAFTA, poor city planning with infrastructure and by not diversifying away from the auto industry's monopoly on project funds. If you believe that the American worker became middle class in this country with out labor organizing you are far too naive to even respond to.

Lets say you do know that labor organizing created the large American middle class not only in this country by the way but almost all first world country's the answer to the decline isn't less unions but more. Business doesn't compensate workers out of the kindness of their hearts, they compensate them because they have to. If you are willing to accept less then they will pay you less every time, people with BA's don't tend to leave money on the table no matter how much they already have.

Stop being submissive, stop short changing yourself and your family demand fair compensation.

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Why would a worker in TN vote to join the union that failed to protect big 3 workers? [View all] Recursion Feb 2014 OP

was that the union's fault ? JI7 Feb 2014 #1

They may have been to concillatory with management is the argument el_bryanto Feb 2014 #2

" they may be " is this a guess? leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #40

Less a guess than me repeating what I have heard others say el_bryanto Feb 2014 #47

so then yes leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #49

Did you see Roger & Me? Recursion Feb 2014 #3

Bigger Picture gkagejr Feb 2014 #4

So what's the advantage to the worker in TN? Recursion Feb 2014 #9

There are still union workers building cars in Detroit Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #11

Under two and now three tier contracts Recursion Feb 2014 #13

Against the backdrop of how other union representation is doing in a losing battle Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #19

And, except for SEIU, show little interest in getting it back Recursion Feb 2014 #23

Employment rights, a negotiated contract roody Feb 2014 #35

Workers councils... TreasonousBastard Feb 2014 #38

Detroit was destroyed by NAFTA Notafraidtoo Feb 2014 #5

Detroit was long gone before NAFTA... Historic NY Feb 2014 #52

You just summed it up better than I have ever seen snooper2 Feb 2014 #57

The union didn't fail to protect the workers, the car designers did. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #6

Given that, what's in it for the TN worker to join? Recursion Feb 2014 #7

Democracy in the workplace. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #8

That's another reason reason I love unions Recursion Feb 2014 #15

Yeah your love of unions is abundantly clear. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #16

It is to people who know me Recursion Feb 2014 #18

My goodness. 2naSalit Feb 2014 #25

The city of Detroit's problems have everything to do with Wall Street Recursion Feb 2014 #29

Why didn't VW move its plants to Mexico? 2naSalit Feb 2014 #31

Unions are not for price-fixing purposes. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #43

UAW membership maxed in 1978. By then the industry was already moving plants to rural areas and the pampango Feb 2014 #41

Thanks for the clarification 2naSalit Feb 2014 #54

Employment rights, a negotiated contract roody Feb 2014 #36

Good point. Unions cannot always protect workers from management stupidity. That is not an argument pampango Feb 2014 #39

WTF? Your post is like saying 2008 financial meltdown Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #10

You don't distinguish between "caused" and "failed to protect"? Recursion Feb 2014 #12

Compared to other manufacturing sectors? Absolutely they have been Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #14

I'm irritated by the idea that the TN workers "owe it" to the UAW to join Recursion Feb 2014 #17

Zero negotiating leverage as opposed to quite a bit of Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #22

It's not the workers' 2naSalit Feb 2014 #28

Politicians might not have made such a fuss, elleng Feb 2014 #30

Oh, brother. You've not heard of "strength in numbers"? Ever wonder why corporations like bigness? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #44

WTF are you talking about?? Gman Feb 2014 #20

No. As demonstrated throughout this thread Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #21

That was one of Bob Corker's talking points. jazzimov Feb 2014 #24

So, why not address it? Recursion Feb 2014 #26

Do you even understand the role of unions? They don't run companies, cities, or financial institu- WinkyDink Feb 2014 #45

No one but management could have 'protected' 'Detroit' from their miserable decisions, elleng Feb 2014 #27

Right, that's my point Recursion Feb 2014 #32

Younger workers have jobs becasue of the older workers. And don't get me started on that. Too late: WinkyDink Feb 2014 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author pa28 Feb 2014 #33

So I take it you would have voted "no" had you been a VW employee? pa28 Feb 2014 #34

Given the option of UAW or no representation I would have chosen UAW Recursion Feb 2014 #37

many workers melm00se Feb 2014 #42

Whether you're right or wrong, you're right Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #48

Oh! Thanks for the edit. Iggo Feb 2014 #50

Ask the first employee who voted against the UAW after Volkswagen fires him. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #51

Why did he get fired? former9thward Feb 2014 #53

You'll have to wait for it to happen, but it will. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #56

One of the available gains for VW in Tennessee would have been leaders of Thinkingabout Feb 2014 #55