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17. I'm irritated by the idea that the TN workers "owe it" to the UAW to join

Reply to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 17, 2014, 01:43 AM

Feb 2014

I'm still curious what would have happened if a locally-run union had been on the ballot.

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Why would a worker in TN vote to join the union that failed to protect big 3 workers? [View all] Recursion Feb 2014 OP

was that the union's fault ? JI7 Feb 2014 #1

They may have been to concillatory with management is the argument el_bryanto Feb 2014 #2

" they may be " is this a guess? leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #40

Less a guess than me repeating what I have heard others say el_bryanto Feb 2014 #47

so then yes leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #49

Did you see Roger & Me? Recursion Feb 2014 #3

Bigger Picture gkagejr Feb 2014 #4

So what's the advantage to the worker in TN? Recursion Feb 2014 #9

There are still union workers building cars in Detroit Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #11

Under two and now three tier contracts Recursion Feb 2014 #13

Against the backdrop of how other union representation is doing in a losing battle Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #19

And, except for SEIU, show little interest in getting it back Recursion Feb 2014 #23

Employment rights, a negotiated contract roody Feb 2014 #35

Workers councils... TreasonousBastard Feb 2014 #38

Detroit was destroyed by NAFTA Notafraidtoo Feb 2014 #5

Detroit was long gone before NAFTA... Historic NY Feb 2014 #52

You just summed it up better than I have ever seen snooper2 Feb 2014 #57

The union didn't fail to protect the workers, the car designers did. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #6

Given that, what's in it for the TN worker to join? Recursion Feb 2014 #7

Democracy in the workplace. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #8

That's another reason reason I love unions Recursion Feb 2014 #15

Yeah your love of unions is abundantly clear. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #16

It is to people who know me Recursion Feb 2014 #18

My goodness. 2naSalit Feb 2014 #25

The city of Detroit's problems have everything to do with Wall Street Recursion Feb 2014 #29

Why didn't VW move its plants to Mexico? 2naSalit Feb 2014 #31

Unions are not for price-fixing purposes. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #43

UAW membership maxed in 1978. By then the industry was already moving plants to rural areas and the pampango Feb 2014 #41

Thanks for the clarification 2naSalit Feb 2014 #54

Employment rights, a negotiated contract roody Feb 2014 #36

Good point. Unions cannot always protect workers from management stupidity. That is not an argument pampango Feb 2014 #39

WTF? Your post is like saying 2008 financial meltdown Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #10

You don't distinguish between "caused" and "failed to protect"? Recursion Feb 2014 #12

Compared to other manufacturing sectors? Absolutely they have been Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #14

I'm irritated by the idea that the TN workers "owe it" to the UAW to join Recursion Feb 2014 #17

Zero negotiating leverage as opposed to quite a bit of Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #22

It's not the workers' 2naSalit Feb 2014 #28

Politicians might not have made such a fuss, elleng Feb 2014 #30

Oh, brother. You've not heard of "strength in numbers"? Ever wonder why corporations like bigness? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #44

WTF are you talking about?? Gman Feb 2014 #20

No. As demonstrated throughout this thread Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #21

That was one of Bob Corker's talking points. jazzimov Feb 2014 #24

So, why not address it? Recursion Feb 2014 #26

Do you even understand the role of unions? They don't run companies, cities, or financial institu- WinkyDink Feb 2014 #45

No one but management could have 'protected' 'Detroit' from their miserable decisions, elleng Feb 2014 #27

Right, that's my point Recursion Feb 2014 #32

Younger workers have jobs becasue of the older workers. And don't get me started on that. Too late: WinkyDink Feb 2014 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author pa28 Feb 2014 #33

So I take it you would have voted "no" had you been a VW employee? pa28 Feb 2014 #34

Given the option of UAW or no representation I would have chosen UAW Recursion Feb 2014 #37

many workers melm00se Feb 2014 #42

Whether you're right or wrong, you're right Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #48

Oh! Thanks for the edit. Iggo Feb 2014 #50

Ask the first employee who voted against the UAW after Volkswagen fires him. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #51

Why did he get fired? former9thward Feb 2014 #53

You'll have to wait for it to happen, but it will. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #56

One of the available gains for VW in Tennessee would have been leaders of Thinkingabout Feb 2014 #55