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delrem

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25. I think it's more a matter of overall US national attitude.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 02:24 AM
Feb 2014

Respect for guns, for gun ownership - a recognition of the responsibility that automatically attaches to gun ownership - is one thing. It's a sane thing.

But the overall US national attitude doesn't match that. I see vids of jackasses wandering around shopping malls with AK's strapped across their backs just to make a point about what they call their "right to carry". I listen to their speeches about how such actions are patriotic. I see religious leaders making a point of wanting to allow open carry in their churches. I see stupidity mixed with ignorance dominating the popular US gun culture. I see "stand your ground" laws where folk are actually encouraged to fire at will rather than retreat. I see gun shows where insane firepower is both worshipped and sold in an essentially unregulated market. I see maniacs appealing to the US constitution as granting them the right to be in-your-face belligerent about their guns, hyperventilating in exhilaration not only about their right to use their guns against others who they imagine might threaten them, but about their pride in saying so at every opportunity.

I see a culture weaned on a false history of a gun-centric "wild west" where reason is left no room to intervene, to add nuance to a black-and-white good-and-evil nonsensical version of US history. I see a culture that worships war, that lies to itself about its role in war and that has no sense of the distinction between fantasy and reality when it comes to guns, war, and killing.

When it comes to guns and the military the US is fucking well insane.

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and the pattern begins... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2014 #1
I think the issue here is unchecked gun access fried eggs Feb 2014 #4
You know this is 100% unrealistic, correct? Nt Logical Feb 2014 #7
Do we have to wait until guns are the number one cause of death in the US? fried eggs Feb 2014 #9
Too many people in this country looove their guns. LisaL Feb 2014 #10
The pattern is clear? Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #12
Oh, good. So I guess that means that those who SheilaT Feb 2014 #24
Not sure where you pulled that conclusion from... Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #47
The pattern is exactly as planned BainsBane Feb 2014 #28
Yes, levers are pulled, buttons are pushed, giggles in the dark. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #50
Ummm, you do realize the shooter was African American Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #123
Because trauma centers know more about how to save shooting victims now. When they don't die, laundry_queen Feb 2014 #110
That's certainly a component, and it's gratifying. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #111
How to start? They are 100% legal to buy, possess. Even..... Logical Feb 2014 #14
So let's continue to be the laughingstock of the world fried eggs Feb 2014 #17
Ban and collection? Are you serious? nt Logical Feb 2014 #19
I think it's more a matter of overall US national attitude. delrem Feb 2014 #25
Absofuckinglutely. MyNameGoesHere Feb 2014 #39
When do you see this starting? 1 year, 5 years? Nt Logical Feb 2014 #72
Why you volunteering to be first? MyNameGoesHere Feb 2014 #114
Name 10 democrats willing to propose this. Much less 200. Make believe is fun. n-t Logical Feb 2014 #115
Well it isn't as fun as stroking a gun I suppose MyNameGoesHere Feb 2014 #136
Typical uninformed emotional response! Classy! nt Logical Feb 2014 #137
You seem upset. Did I disturb your MyNameGoesHere Feb 2014 #138
No, just people like you throw out ideas that will never happen. But if it.... Logical Feb 2014 #139
Will never happen like MyNameGoesHere Feb 2014 #140
Yes, because they are the same! You realize..... Logical Feb 2014 #141
Very serious I hope...Unfettered gun ownership is a national disgrace.nt Walk away Feb 2014 #65
"...a future gun ban is inevitable." Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #77
This is murder plain and simple proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #21
^^^^^YES^^^^^^ Walk away Feb 2014 #62
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No need to assume. A look at the article at the link MineralMan Feb 2014 #84
A small price to pay so that gun-proliferation can remain unchecked in this great country! villager Feb 2014 #2
So now playing loud music and egging is a death sentence Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #3
I knew her ethnicity before I even clicked the link. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #5
That's not surprising considering a large photo of her is included in the OP. LisaL Feb 2014 #6
I think they meant the OP link! nt Logical Feb 2014 #8
Do you know the ethnicity of the shooter? nt rrneck Feb 2014 #11
Also African American BuelahWitch Feb 2014 #13
Yep. nt rrneck Feb 2014 #20
This fellow... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #63
I'd bet my wallet you thought you knew the ethnicity of the shooter too. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #18
But did you know the shooter's? I was wrong on both. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #57
Then you must have known 840high Feb 2014 #78
Such a ridiculous, stupid, tragic overreaction. And a gun. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #15
Not to defend the shooting, but Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #22
The story said it was in retaliation for a Halloween prank BuelahWitch Feb 2014 #26
Thanks for the clarification Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #30
four months? And twice? anasv Feb 2014 #68
I thought the same BuelahWitch Feb 2014 #73
Also, one of the survivor's claims... regnaD kciN Feb 2014 #87
Because they're teenagers Scootaloo Feb 2014 #37
I would never have thought of vandalizing someone's property Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #41
Yes I know, many DU'ers are absolute flawless angels Scootaloo Feb 2014 #42
I never said I was flawless Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #43
How hard is it to understand what I'm saying? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #45
I believe I made it clear that the whole affair was senseless Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #48
My apologies, I phrased poorly Scootaloo Feb 2014 #56
I see posts like yours, as well... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #55
Yep. laundry_queen Feb 2014 #112
I like your stories! babydollhead Feb 2014 #66
Great post, Scootaloo. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #75
"Teenagers do dumb things" ...... oldhippie Feb 2014 #95
It goes to show how people describe their teenage years BainsBane Feb 2014 #102
See, that's the thing... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #125
Nature has it's way of culling the herd ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #130
Oh, I heard you the first time Scootaloo Feb 2014 #131
NOT TO DEFEND....What??? rustydog Feb 2014 #93
I never said I condoned this shooting Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #121
Guns are more important than people. Iggo Feb 2014 #16
It seems defacto7 Feb 2014 #29
I think it's an ego thing. That "nobody fucks with me" attitude. cui bono Feb 2014 #36
I agree. defacto7 Feb 2014 #46
I support more peaceful resolution, including standing down Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #59
"One count of a terroristic act" Maedhros Feb 2014 #23
That law JJChambers Feb 2014 #53
Two Florida juiries have shown someone can kill African Americans and get away with it BainsBane Feb 2014 #27
Dunn certaintly didn't get away with it.. and when he's treid for murder one he could lose on that, dionysus Feb 2014 #85
There is no verdict in Jordan Davis' death BainsBane Feb 2014 #105
Your fact is in error .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #96
What fact is that? BainsBane Feb 2014 #97
Your title ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #99
WTF? BainsBane Feb 2014 #100
Nice try oldhippie Feb 2014 #101
Free associaiton generally doesn't make for productive discussion BainsBane Feb 2014 #104
OK oldhippie Feb 2014 #113
How does an African American man, killing an African American teen Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #124
because juries view African American lives as less valuable BainsBane Feb 2014 #128
Ugh sakabatou Feb 2014 #31
If I were a juror, I could see convicting him on 2nd degree but probably not on 1st degree. nt Electric Monk Feb 2014 #32
Jesus Fucking Christ! Enough with the fucking guns already. cui bono Feb 2014 #33
What "strict gun laws" are you promoting? oneshooter Feb 2014 #120
Seriously, what you said. Initech Feb 2014 #122
Egging cars, TPing, soaping windows...all something I bet we've done at least once. Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #34
I didn't... regnaD kciN Feb 2014 #86
Never even thought about doing it Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #88
LOL Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #90
My upbringing must have sucked as much as yours ;-) etherealtruth Feb 2014 #116
Eh. . .he was just standing his ground and if the girl didn't want to die, she wouldn't have been Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #35
So your tautology works when the shooter is Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #60
obviously you have no idea what sarcasm is. Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #70
Actually, I do. But as with any joke or irony, the telling is an art. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #133
Then please give me more insights on humorous delivery, oh comedic sage. Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #134
I wish I was speechless TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #38
Why the fuck can't people just call the cops??? What about calling the parent--or guardian? mnhtnbb Feb 2014 #51
assuming you know the parents or even who the kids are TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #129
Why is shooting kids suddenly the preferred method of dealing with annoyances? Kablooie Feb 2014 #40
The shooter was black. SamKnause Feb 2014 #44
Dang. I should read the full article before commenting. Kablooie Feb 2014 #94
"I'm too quick to type." oldhippie Feb 2014 #98
always? leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #49
Wtf JJChambers Feb 2014 #54
More than a little... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #64
I'm used to it on DU. 840high Feb 2014 #80
"And always white guys shooting black kids." Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #76
"Always white guys" - wrong in this case. 840high Feb 2014 #79
Most gun homicide is Black on Black. This shooter is Black. Facts. n/t Skip Intro Feb 2014 #107
Guy In My Homeroom In High School . . . ProfessorGAC Feb 2014 #52
That headline is misleading. It implies the girl was an innocent bystander BlueStreak Feb 2014 #58
I think you're going to see a pretty huge dichotomy of reactions to this case... regnaD kciN Feb 2014 #89
Should not be. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #108
I didn't like the article calling it a "prank" either TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #132
Sadly, every moron in the world owns a gun and they are dangerous.... Walk away Feb 2014 #61
damaging car, second time that evening, causing a middleaged person work they may not be up to doing anasv Feb 2014 #67
The world can use fewer people who delight in incidents such as this. (nt) Paladin Feb 2014 #74
You don't need to be "delighting" in anything... regnaD kciN Feb 2014 #91
Awful! There are too many people with firearms MineralMan Feb 2014 #69
That's assuming you know their parents... regnaD kciN Feb 2014 #92
I agree with part of that Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #103
What the fuck is wrong with these people Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #71
Jesus fucking christ.... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #83
It is dangerous to fuck with people's stuff. Skip Intro Feb 2014 #106
In Texas, this murder would be legal under Texas law Gothmog Feb 2014 #109
Appalling, disturbing, sickening .... etherealtruth Feb 2014 #117
A life is more valuable than property Gothmog Feb 2014 #118
It is astounding that there are people that do not see it that way etherealtruth Feb 2014 #119
This has got to stop shenmue Feb 2014 #126
Too bad Mr. noble wasn't white, or he could have claimed self defense peacebird Feb 2014 #127
One count of a terroristic act is ridiculous. morningfog Feb 2014 #135
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