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671. Some point by point

"But the reality is that there is a group here whose view of reality is either distorted or they are messing with people here. Like I said, it ultimately becomes tiresome to me to go into it - but, as I also said, I'm on the side of reality-based progressives. "

Tiresome to deal with people you don't agree with. I imagine so. That's DU you for you. Hell, reality. I hear that term, "reality based progressive" a lot. But that is something that's not just that *whispers *group-that-shall-not-be-named*. They're all over the place, here. Progressives. Go figure. But I'm not surprised that the ones from GTSNBN get reserved for special derision. Sad, but predictable.


"There's no such thing as porn addiction, for instance. Yet this issue is constantly discussed here, even when the only studies that support such an opinion are all from right wing religious minds and lack scholarly merit. There are more than a few instances in which right wing religious ideology and feminism are indistinguishable on this board."

I'd see your point if the only thing the attempts made at discusion at porn were to mention porn addiction. I say attempts, because the mere attempt at discussion of porn other than to say how great it is is met with a raucous flame war. No discussion whatsoever can ever be attempted on this subject. No criticism or discussion allowed, whatsoever. That is the reality. Whether or not one is a member of GTSNBN.

"Here people are equating evo psyche with primatology and claiming science is trying to make itself a religion. Where else do we ever hear people talk about science elevating itself to a religion? Among religious fundamentalists in their objections to science they don't like."

No one was doing that. The claims that science is trying to make itself a religion? That was probably in reference to a criticism about evo psych. A valid one. Equating evy psych with primatology? Are you trying to say that what Bonobo was claiming is primatology? If so, your primatology expert might be pulling your leg in claiming they're a primatology expert.

"When someone posts a right wing religious video here to laugh at it - people from that group thought that was an excellent opportunity to talk about rape and about not caring about suffering in the world. It was, once again, another wtf moment. The thread was alerted on - yet any other thread here that made fun of the religious fundamentalist mindset would never find objection on DU. "

I couldn't even tell what happened here based on your telling of it. So, I don't know.

"And, again, this thread is full of misrepresentations about what was said, and, even when it's pointed out more than once that the insults perceived were not the content of a post - the problem then becomes people misunderstanding, not those who are making claims about things that were said that were no where within the post that's referenced.

As a female, it bothers me to see this because, in my view of the world, religious fundamentalism is one of the worst things about this nation. To hear arguments about feminism align with religious fundamentalism just doesn't make sense to me as a person who thinks choice is something all adults have a right to, not just some."

I'll concede that this was the typical DU flame war, it was full of misrepresentations. But as a female, I also care a lot about religious fundamentalism. I moved my family half way across the country out of a red state in large part so my kids wouldn't go to schools that taught intelligent design. That should tell you how much I care about the subject. What bugs me as a female is the treatment of women and feminism on DU. And this debacle was just another example of it. It's worse since DU3 and the loss of moderation. I saw a hell of a lot of misrepresentation too, and it was feuled by some pretty disgusting biases. I'll agree with you, there, but probably not for the same reasons.

Signed, A Proud Reality Based Progressive