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Atypical Liberal

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217. I am not a freeper.

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:15 PM

Mar 2012

I am sure that if we made a list of liberal causes you and I would share most of them.

I support the environment. I oppose drilling our way out of our energy crisis. I support infinite power sources like solar. I do not support America's imperialistic wars in an attempt to maintain a global hegemony. I support gay rights. I support gay marriage. I am pro-choice. I helped petition against Limbaugh to get his advertising pulled. I think Guantanamo bay should be closed and the people there given trials by civilian courts of law. I support and participate in the Occupy movement. I believe our democracy is being undermined by wealth. I am opposed to "immigration reform" and believe that if you come to this country and work hard and pay taxes for a fare wage then you should be a citizen. I support Affirmative Action.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 OP

There will be an investigation DearAbby Mar 2012 #1

Grand Jury CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #90

I can't wait for a Grand Jury and independent investigation, hopefully by the FBI. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #203

Or a murder CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #291

Sooooo JustAnotherGen Mar 2012 #2

We don't know who the attacker was. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #8

Yes we do... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #13

Don't bother. ellisonz Mar 2012 #36

why is that poster even here? cali Mar 2012 #49

Believe it or not... ellisonz Mar 2012 #57

"One of the more 'with it'?" Who are the others then, Charles Manson & Co.? 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #282

not "a" typical, but "atypical." Atypical = not typical. nt MADem Mar 2012 #70

"atypical", ie "not typical" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #73

Wow. n/t DLevine Mar 2012 #82

I'm very interested in the facts. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #93

It appears you are not very interested in the facts. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #116

Because it wouldn't fit his liberalhistorian Mar 2012 #137

+1000 EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #150

Everyone seems eager to talk about skittles and iced tea. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #168

Big deal! polly7 Mar 2012 #175

I'm not aware of any evidence of Zimmerman brandishing his concealed firearm. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #196

The person that got out of his car, and accosted a pedestrain minding his own busines initiated Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #270

"evidently beat Zimmerman pretty good" ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #177

If the police are lying or covering up that that is something that needs to come out. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #193

It's not self-defense in any case. polly7 Mar 2012 #200

"There is no reason why Zimmerman should not have had a fun." Duer 157099 Mar 2012 #220

Fixed. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #223

OK, I've got to stop you here because you are locked in to this Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #226

What evidence do you have that Zimmerman was beaten? yardwork Mar 2012 #230

very true Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #204

Zimmerman's call about Martin was almost the same as some of his other 911 calls csziggy Mar 2012 #292

I cannot find your link. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #151

Here is the link, or you can turn on headline news. They are playing ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #167

Thanks, I am reading it now. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #170

I have watched it. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #184

Where is the proof of "knowing there was a fight". Have the police released photos ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #187

You obviously haven't listened to the 911 tapes. Why don't you do that and then get back to us. yardwork Mar 2012 #256

OK. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #258

Thank you. The responding detective has been caught in numerous lies about this case. yardwork Mar 2012 #260

+1. Numerous people have presented facts that are being ignored by this poster. Wonder why. yardwork Mar 2012 #255

no you're not. not even a little tiny bit, dear. cali Mar 2012 #147

Funny because your OP is full of nothing but wild speculation. baldguy Mar 2012 #182

The speculation is that Zimmerman started the fight. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #188

Hung from a tree? Remarkable post. But he owns it, not you. freshwest Mar 2012 #165

Understand that I was talking about what happens to VIOLENT CRIMINALS. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #190

Who determines who the violent criminal is? ellisonz Mar 2012 #271

Thank you JustAnotherGen Mar 2012 #39

We don't know who started the pushing. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #97

So it is o.k. rufus dog Mar 2012 #179

Confront? Yes. Detain? No. Pull a gun? No. X_Digger Mar 2012 #183

This is why pro-gunners like myself have come to despise the pro-gun activists. ieoeja Mar 2012 #194

I listened to one of the 911 calls MagickMuffin Mar 2012 #48

Police reports corroborate the testimony. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #145

Police have been twisting and suppressing the investigation from the first hour Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #237

Where is the evidence that savalez Mar 2012 #61

Lots of places. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #140

What injuries did Martin have? savalez Mar 2012 #174

So one of Zimmerman's neighbors lied for him. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #123

I beat down a 300lb POS once when I weighed 175 snooper2 Mar 2012 #136

nope Maine-ah Mar 2012 #189

Thanks for posting the physical size differences life long demo Mar 2012 #250

"Whether or not Zimmerman should have confronted someone in his neighborhood" is not up for debate ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #3

That doesn't really mean much to me. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #19

Yes we do. You follow. You initiate. Simple. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #35

Get It Through Your Head, Sir: 'Neighborhood Watch' Has No Legal Authority What-So-Fucking-Ever The Magistrate Mar 2012 #47

Actually Zimmerman had the same legal authority as anyone else.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #172

Which Is None, Sir, Unless Witness To a Crime, Which Zimmerman Was Not The Magistrate Mar 2012 #207

Absent a pattern of following a person (harassment / stalking), no, it is not illegal. X_Digger Mar 2012 #219

Now You are Just Making Stuff Up, Sir; You Have Never Seen Me Argue Against Self-Defense The Magistrate Mar 2012 #229

Actually, I know my state's laws backwards and forwards, have followed as many cases as my westlaw.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #238

Perhaps, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #242

Being the "sole member" is not surprising. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #186

Which Just Says, Sir, Most People Are Not Fizzing With The Desire To Shoot Somebody The Magistrate Mar 2012 #212

You know You should watch an old movie call 12 Angry Men. You remind me of the man who had Justice wanted Mar 2012 #68

That is a perfect analogy! ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #103

His arguements HAVE to be Wingnut talking points. I bet we are going to hear a lot of this in the Justice wanted Mar 2012 #115

Lee J. Cobb played him beautifully. eom tledford Mar 2012 #158

"A neighborhood watch person following a stranger in your neighborhood does not start a fight." Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #232

You are right. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #234

So now we get to the WHY was Martin even followed in the first place? Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #239

Yes, we DO know who started the fight. Withywindle Mar 2012 #261

There was no neighborhood watch program csziggy Mar 2012 #293

Except he had the gun and he left his vehicle to pursue Martin Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #4

He was legally able to carry a gun. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #21

uh, so what? cali Mar 2012 #56

If I was being stalked there is no way I arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #102

We know EXACTLY what happened. He shot and killed an unarmed kid. Hugabear Mar 2012 #113

So you admit he left his vehicle XanaDUer Mar 2012 #114

Jesus Christ. Do you NOT understand liberalhistorian Mar 2012 #154

You are right. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #235

Starting the physical confrontation is irrelevant jeff47 Mar 2012 #267

Zimmerman is not on the short list for a MacArthur Foundation grant for his neighborhood watch work slackmaster Mar 2012 #5

You also forget DearAbby Mar 2012 #6

We don't know that. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #22

We Absolutely Know Who Started The Confrontation, Sir: Zimmerman. He Got Out Of His Car The Magistrate Mar 2012 #30

We know that Zimmerman started the fight. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #38

To what end? MADem Mar 2012 #84

Agreed! Wind Dancer Mar 2012 #143

To the end of guns uber alles, to the liberalhistorian Mar 2012 #163

You may be right. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #205

We DO know who the stalker was. We know that he was strangely obsessed with calling the cops. kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #60

this wasnt a cop. he has NO authority. the kid had a RIGHT to be there. that simple. was the kid seabeyond Mar 2012 #155

If Zimmerman laid hands on Martin to detain him, or took the first swing- that's the point it.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #180

This wasn't following jeff47 Mar 2012 #268

I'm not pretending anything- I'm just going by what has been reported / 911 tape, etc. X_Digger Mar 2012 #272

No, you're not going by what's been reported jeff47 Mar 2012 #276

Florida law doesn't support that contention. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #279

Because in FL, chasing someone is considered non-threatening? jeff47 Mar 2012 #284

Right XanaDUer Mar 2012 #185

You don't seem to be able to put yourself in the place of a polly7 Mar 2012 #159

it is indeed, "as it seems..." LanternWaste Mar 2012 #7

There is nothing wrong with following someone. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #25

Actually, Sir, There Is Something Wrong With Following a Person On A Public Way The Magistrate Mar 2012 #33

Yes, indeed there is-- legally, of not ethically. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #81

If this is true, then I stand corrected. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #86

Harassment / Stalking usually requires repeated incidents. X_Digger Mar 2012 #191

You are changing the facts to make your point. savalez Mar 2012 #121

We don't know who was the aggressor. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #161

Comprehension of the meaning of the word "aggressor" tledford Mar 2012 #164

Zimmerman became the aggressor/ predator EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #178

Of course it does. savalez Mar 2012 #278

Except that he was NOT a "neighborhood watch captain." liberalhistorian Mar 2012 #160

That's not how I read it. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #202

I repeat that more than enough evidence has been liberalhistorian Mar 2012 #213

Zimmerman WAS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH unionworks Mar 2012 #195

I had not heard this Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #198

from what I'mseeing unionworks Mar 2012 #215

For me, it comes down to this.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #9

If believe even pursuing him alone qualifies in that regard. TheWraith Mar 2012 #12

I don't know enough about FL case law to say, but ethically, I agree. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #14

Exactly. If Zimmerman initiated the altercation, all bets are off. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #28

I don't think the details of the fight really matter, actually. TheWraith Mar 2012 #10

We don't know that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #31

Put yourself in trayvon's shoes JustAnotherGen Mar 2012 #46

He initiated the confrontation by pursuing Martin. TheWraith Mar 2012 #54

following and chasing someone is an aggressive act fishwax Mar 2012 #75

Yes and with a gun in his hand, too XanaDUer Mar 2012 #132

If Martin went on the attack as Zimmerman walked up to him then yes it does matter. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #51

Unlikely as that scenario is at this point, I agree. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #197

It does seem unlikely. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #277

No, actually it doesn't. jeff47 Mar 2012 #269

The kid had as much right to Stand His Ground as anyone else in Florida. eShirl Mar 2012 #11

+10000000 nashville_brook Mar 2012 #41

+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #64

thank you...end of story Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #94

That's exactly right. Ganja Ninja Mar 2012 #108

There you have it. tallahasseedem Mar 2012 #119

Some would love that to be the case. Rex Mar 2012 #15

The prey sometimes scratches a careless poacher before being killed. Zimmerman was an inept hunter leveymg Mar 2012 #16

So you think it's totally ok to follow and physically DFab420 Mar 2012 #17

Absolutely not. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #40

Actually, Sir, We Know Just What His Suspicions Were Based On: He Saw A Black Youth On The Sidewalk The Magistrate Mar 2012 #87

Careful zipplewrath Mar 2012 #18

Zimmerman still didn't need a gun Politicalboi Mar 2012 #20

Trayvon's mother barbtries Mar 2012 #29

Forensics should be able to determine who's voice is on the tapes. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #55

hopefully anyway they'll be able to eliminate the killer. barbtries Mar 2012 #224

I know Politicalboi Mar 2012 #62

that's my feeling as well. barbtries Mar 2012 #199

Weight does not always count for anything. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #50

Zimmerman chased him Politicalboi Mar 2012 #80

So let me get this straight... Oilwellian Mar 2012 #166

Yes. polly7 Mar 2012 #52

They were either covering their asses Politicalboi Mar 2012 #88

The S.O.B. was instructed by 911 to NOT get out of his car and pursue the situation. CakeGrrl Mar 2012 #23

I agree that he should have stayed in the car, but I'm troubled by how many think the 911 operator slackmaster Mar 2012 #37

Well, a lawyer on CNN this morning (I don't claim to know the ins and outs of FL law) ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #43

Sounded like a suggestion to me. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #66

Perhaps God Will Be Kind, Sir, And Give You A Chance To Shoot Somebody Someday, Too.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #96

Perhaps One Day You'll Stop With Your Pretentious Initial Cap Nonsense. closeupready Mar 2012 #216

An Incautious Observer, Sir, Might Conclude You Do Not Like Me Very Much.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #231

Have we ever met??? So no, closeupready Mar 2012 #248

Damn, Sir, That was A Lot Of Words.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #249

lol, you're welcome. closeupready Mar 2012 #251

I wonder if he felt threatened by the bag of Skittles? Or the can of Iced tea? ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #99

The Can, Ma'am: It Glittered, And All That Glitters Is Gun.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #110

Zimmerman called 9/11 ALL the time Politicalboi Mar 2012 #101

Yep jsmirman Mar 2012 #131

"We Don't Need You To Do That" = "You Have No Authorization To Do That" jsmirman Mar 2012 #128

A person who has no legal authority to tell you TO do something has no authority to tell you NOT to slackmaster Mar 2012 #135

Wrong, utterly fucking wrong jsmirman Mar 2012 #138

Zimmerman CHOSE to disregard 911's ADVICE and placed himself at risk slackmaster Mar 2012 #247

WRONG - he placed them BOTH at risk jsmirman Mar 2012 #286

You seemed to be suggesting that a 911 operator has some legal authority to tell people what to do slackmaster Mar 2012 #289

I think you are correct that a 911 operator has no legal authority jsmirman Mar 2012 #290

Reductio ad absurdum LanternWaste Mar 2012 #241

Reductio ad absurdum is a valid way of pointing out lack of substance in someone's argument slackmaster Mar 2012 #252

And btw, if he was carrying a gun AND jsmirman Mar 2012 #149

Why would anyone pursue a man who was not breaking the law? I think in this case.... Logical Mar 2012 #275

There is nothing wrong with following and confronting a person who looks suspicious slackmaster Mar 2012 #280

If you mean talking then OK. Confronting seems a little more extreme. If you are walking down my.... Logical Mar 2012 #281

I confronted two men on Monday. It looked like they were going to illegal dump a load of stuff... slackmaster Mar 2012 #283

No, he wasn't. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #58

Duty? Didn't I read that Zimmerman self-appointed himself as nightwatch guardian Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #111

Yes, Sir, You Did: 'Captain' Of A 'Neighborhood Watch' He Was Sole Member Of The Magistrate Mar 2012 #118

This Is Just the Initial Set Of Police Lies, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #24

We don't know who initiated the physical confrontation. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #69

We Absolutely Know Who Started The Confrontation, Sir: Zimmerman. He Got Out Of His Car The Magistrate Mar 2012 #100

Except Trayvon Martin had no gun and was 17. Jennicut Mar 2012 #26

That doesn't mean much by itself. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #74

Really? ProSense Mar 2012 #89

You Know, Sir, This Insistence On How Deadly Un-Armed People Are Is Rather Funny The Magistrate Mar 2012 #157

It's dark, you're alone, walking in a common XanaDUer Mar 2012 #171

An unarmed man vs an unarmed teenager. Jennicut Mar 2012 #295

forget that! KT2000 Mar 2012 #27

+1 polly7 Mar 2012 #32

Apparently, this minor was supposed to submit to the questioning of a man with msanthrope Mar 2012 #153

You know, I'd say, even if Trayvon Martin was walking on the common grass XanaDUer Mar 2012 #214

it's also clear that if Zimmerman hadn't had a gun... mike_c Mar 2012 #34

Riiight... kenfrequed Mar 2012 #42

bullfuckingshite of the worst order cali Mar 2012 #44

Please cite it. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #77

there you go. he expressed fear to his girlfriend and told her he was being stalked cali Mar 2012 #92

Right now the biggest damnation of Zimmerman Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #162

This is one witness EC Mar 2012 #45

His dad also said, prior to the 911 tapes coming out, that polly7 Mar 2012 #59

Really? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #79

Sounds like desperation to make this kid to be some sort of Threat. This is a way for the PD Justice wanted Mar 2012 #53

So, the racist backlash begins. 6000eliot Mar 2012 #63

Bullshit. There is no defense for this racist pig. Hugabear Mar 2012 #65

So if a racist carrying a gun follows and starts a fistfight with a young black man, Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #67

Apparently, Sir, Our 'Atypical Liberal' Here Thinks So.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #71

The sum total of all your posts in this thread = RACIST APOLOGIST BS. kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #72

What in my posts would you consider racist? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #83

OK, Zimmerman may have been a racist. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #126

If Zimmerman followed Martin and confronted him, then who is the aggressor? Stinky The Clown Mar 2012 #76

Depends on what you mean by "confronted" Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #85

re: "Do you get to kill some that you assault" cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #127

"confronted" cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #106

Thank you. X_Digger Mar 2012 #209

"These assholes always get away..." is all I needed to hear. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #120

It's worse than that. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #129

There needs to be a thorough independent investigation. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #78

I agree. n/t Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #91

Who needs facts when we have perfectly good outrage? Speck Tater Mar 2012 #95

sorry, we know a great deal about what happened as well as quite a bit cali Mar 2012 #104

I am in complete agreement! He should be in jail. Speck Tater Mar 2012 #122

Under what circumstances should Zimmerman not be held accountable? sadbear Mar 2012 #107

Then what would people do with their time around here snooper2 Mar 2012 #146

What a bunch of crap. EFerrari Mar 2012 #98

Bar fight HockeyMom Mar 2012 #105

True, but Trayvan didn't even enter this fight as a willing participant. polly7 Mar 2012 #125

I suspect it depends on who started it. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #208

If you were in a bar fight in FL, and tried to disengage, and your opponent pursued the fight.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #240

That is SICK. HockeyMom Mar 2012 #245

Sorry. There is no justifiable excuse for stalking and shooting an unarmed person. n/t Avalux Mar 2012 #109

Even if that person is on top of you and beating you up? n/t Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #130

Only if the other person started beating you up for no reason sadbear Mar 2012 #139

uh, yeah. cali Mar 2012 #141

Just because you're losing a fight does not give you the right to shoot ... Ganja Ninja Mar 2012 #152

Who pursued who? WI_DEM Mar 2012 #173

IF that happened, and I hope TM got some good licks in IF IT IS true XanaDUer Mar 2012 #225

No. chowder66 Mar 2012 #266

Yes, even if they are beating you up. jeff47 Mar 2012 #273

you have to be playin' blind to come up with this fascisthunter Mar 2012 #112

more like cali Mar 2012 #117

. fascisthunter Mar 2012 #124

I am not a freeper. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #217

What you are reporting is the first information that the Orlando Sentinel Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #133

So you say Zimmerman was losing a fist fight with a kid SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #134

I'm not defending him. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #156

Zimmerman was out of bounds. mindem Mar 2012 #142

Good find sadbear Mar 2012 #144

Good posting. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #221

He is a cop wannabe chrisa Mar 2012 #287

Guns Guns Guns bpj62 Mar 2012 #148

Nope, Zimmerman was told not to pursue the boy and he did WI_DEM Mar 2012 #169

I think we do know who started the fight. Zimmerman was told to wait for the police to get there sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #176

Zimmerman has a history of domestic violence Rex Mar 2012 #211

Weeeee, let's all pretend we're Nancy Grace! just1voice Mar 2012 #181

Does Not Matter Xyzse Mar 2012 #192

I'll buy that. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #210

Agreed chrisa Mar 2012 #288

The man is a bully...who was a racist Bully...most likely still is...who violated his duties by not opihimoimoi Mar 2012 #201

Wow man this is like sooo atypical...... What a crock of shit. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #206

The police broke the chain of evidence by allowing Zimmerman to leave the scene. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #218

That is what I am hoping to see. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #222

Ridiculous. Why would the much bigger guy with the gun be crying on the tape? EFerrari Mar 2012 #227

I think forensics will save the day. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #236

And I think you are trying to turn the easily observable into controversy EFerrari Mar 2012 #243

There's playing devil's advocate, and then there's simple absurdity LanternWaste Mar 2012 #246

I agree. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #259

I believe he was handcuffed and taken to the station.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #244

I'm reasonably certain he was allowed to leave the scene with his gun. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #254

*nod* I had heard that as well. (or at least leave the station with it.) n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #257

You are missing a lot of facts. yardwork Mar 2012 #228

Answers. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #233

All your "evidence" is the say-so of the Sanford police department, plus a confused witness. yardwork Mar 2012 #253

Trayvon's father never said it wasn't Trayvon's voice on the 9-11 recordings. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #285

Don't let the facts get in the way of your defending gun rights. Defend your gun rights above all. Electric Monk Mar 2012 #262

Please re-read my original post. n/t Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #263

I'm an advocate of 2a and self defense rights guitar man Mar 2012 #264

bullshit n/t RainDog Mar 2012 #265

Wow, your Gun bias is beyond belief....... Logical Mar 2012 #274

"When George Zimmerman was arrested..." CBHagman Mar 2012 #294