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Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue : 50 Years of Women's Objectification [View all] redqueen Feb 2014 OP

I never understood the point of the SI swimsuit issue. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #1

As was explained to me last night Scootaloo Feb 2014 #9

no sports ? how about the olympics ? JI7 Feb 2014 #13

Um.. Yeh.. Because the olympics happen every year, right? opiate69 Feb 2014 #35

it happened this year JI7 Feb 2014 #36

And, SI is covering them as well... opiate69 Feb 2014 #43

are you having trouble following the conversation ? JI7 Feb 2014 #47

Yes.. And.. It may seem complicated, but I think you can follow... opiate69 Feb 2014 #56

none of the 4 majors had anything in February -- except the NBA and the NHL fishwax Feb 2014 #236

Are you twelve? MattBaggins Feb 2014 #194

Where do we NOT hear about the Olympics? It is everywhere...I hear a lot about it on my CTyankee Feb 2014 #45

back in the day many seasons were shorter than they are now dsc Feb 2014 #31

My understanding of sports may be limited... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #38

How could there possibly be no sports to report on? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #39

I know, right? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #42

then, that doesn't really explain it, does it? CTyankee Feb 2014 #41

No sports to cover?? Here is the list of ultrarunning events 1/1/2014 to 2/16/2014... DreamGypsy Feb 2014 #148

Oh, I know Scootaloo Feb 2014 #153

I figured that out... DreamGypsy Feb 2014 #159

I'm not a sports person! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #165

More like if it does not have a ball it is not a sport Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #175

Somehow I think coverage of ultrarunning would sell fewer magazines than bikini-clad Doctor_J Feb 2014 #176

Sports people care about... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #201

Someone asked the same question last night. redqueen Feb 2014 #15

I understand both your points and LeftymMom's points in that subthread. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #44

I understood the point when I was 14.... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #27

I guess Playgirl objectifies the men yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #40

Well, yes. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #85

Playgirl's subscribers are mostly men, though. redqueen Feb 2014 #88

This man wouldn't mind subscribing to it. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #89

Well at least somebody does, for once treestar Feb 2014 #208

but some men do think women are sport... Whisp Feb 2014 #81

Ugh. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #86

Wow. You just said a mouthful, woman. redqueen Feb 2014 #87

And visa versa AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #128

No, there is not a vice versa. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #133

OF course not AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #137

false equivalence noiretextatique Feb 2014 #232

Right AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #233

Cash. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #119

It was used as a big subscription driver pre-internet.` Renew Deal Feb 2014 #130

when this started 50 years ago there wasn't between the end of football (around Jan 1) Doctor_J Feb 2014 #163

except for the NBA, the NHL, college basketball ... and, for the record, the Super Bowl was fishwax Feb 2014 #237

It's pretty simple AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #177

make that, Sex as defined by the white, straight men that fill the boardrooms. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #242

It is about the coming of Spring and Summer after a hard Winter. I understood that as bluestate10 Feb 2014 #181

it's porn-lite, that's all. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2014 #243

How wonderful it would be if that cover of models would, instead, feature some of our incredible hlthe2b Feb 2014 #2

Yes, that would be a sign of progress. redqueen Feb 2014 #3

This is the power and strength of a woman athelete. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #50

To be fair, when they (occasionally) show female athletes on the cover, redqueen Feb 2014 #53

Thank you me b zola Feb 2014 #8

How wonderful it would be if I was a multimillionnaire cosmicone Feb 2014 #195

rude.... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #199

See? The problem isn't that the issue is flame bait, it's that you want to pick which flames to bait lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #4

That's not a great argument Scootaloo Feb 2014 #12

I suspect that Kate Upton's definition of "damn near died!" isn't the same as mine. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #16

she was suffering eyesight and hearing loss and her body was shutting down, that is beyond just JI7 Feb 2014 #21

I'd like to see a doctor's note to that effect. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #24

why ? JI7 Feb 2014 #25

The rest of the Today show quote might be illuminating. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #29

how does any of that change anything ? i'm sure china sweatshop workers are happy to get what they JI7 Feb 2014 #32

"The 21 year old model has an estimated net worth of $4 million" lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #62

once again that does not change anything, you seem resentful of the money she has JI7 Feb 2014 #66

Envy? The class warfare card? Seriously? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #68

why ? when you consider where she was why is it so hard to believe ? JI7 Feb 2014 #70

Because common sense. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #71

Oh my god.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #78

Oh yeah, I'm sure she's just being hysterical; you know how women can be! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #33

I've had hypothermia. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #48

I suspect your suspicions are based more on the inconveniance this causes for your position Scootaloo Feb 2014 #73

My position? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #76

Your position that she's a liar about the impact that shoot had on her health Scootaloo Feb 2014 #93

Thank you - nice reply n/t drmeow Feb 2014 #77

Seriously? Soundman Feb 2014 #204

I suspect poor decision-making on her part Scootaloo Feb 2014 #231

actually, i'm not sure she did get paid that much , i think they look to get on the cover JI7 Feb 2014 #14

I wonder if Kate is ever going to disown her teabagger uncle and declare her love Doctor_J Feb 2014 #166

Thanks for the link with all the hot SI covers! flvegan Feb 2014 #5

You do realize your comment is entirely transparent, I hope. Porn is all over the net. redqueen Feb 2014 #6

Sarcasm has always been in my wheelhouse, thanks. flvegan Feb 2014 #7

And yet you characterize objection to the annual celebration of objectification redqueen Feb 2014 #11

Here? Yes, I absolutely do. flvegan Feb 2014 #17

So what now? yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #46

It would be nice to think that Texasgal Feb 2014 #52

Nothing yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #54

Many don't "feel" women are objectified. They ARE and they HAVE BEEN, yes, even 50 years ago. redqueen Feb 2014 #58

Like yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #60

No problem. Texasgal Feb 2014 #63

Interesting that you characterize my criticism of objectification as "getting upset". redqueen Feb 2014 #55

Well my wording might be exaggerated yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #59

I do appreciate your sarcastic post upthread, redqueen Feb 2014 #61

the point is it s sexist garbage and does not belong on a progressive board creating a hostile seabeyond Feb 2014 #57

It's awful to create a hostile environment for fellow members: RiffRandell Feb 2014 #64

Give it rest. Texasgal Feb 2014 #65

Hostile environment? Like when you persisted in using sexist language towards me, laughed about it, msanthrope Feb 2014 #91

K&R me b zola Feb 2014 #10

Kate doesn't sound frigid or bitter in her interview. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #18

LOL... "frigid" and "bitter"? My but you sure have the lingo down pat. redqueen Feb 2014 #19

Totally welcome! nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #22

wowser. bah hhahaha. probably all i will say in this thread also. but, ya. seabeyond Feb 2014 #26

Yep. redqueen Feb 2014 #28

laughing out loud, really. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #30

And they have no idea they are doing it! Squinch Feb 2014 #37

Link? nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #34

Oh, I wouldn't bet on that. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #51

Flashback to 2012, DU Sports Group. Ptah Feb 2014 #20

If you have a point to make it would be nice if you could just please make it. redqueen Feb 2014 #23

yeah...WAITING.... CTyankee Feb 2014 #49

I guess it was just a dig at trumad after all. It's nice to be reminded of examples of people redqueen Feb 2014 #67

An honest view, IMO. We simply have to have a LOUD bullhorn to get our message across... CTyankee Feb 2014 #69

Everywhere, really. redqueen Feb 2014 #72

I've called it out in the past. Ptah Feb 2014 #84

Did you do it yesterday in the flamebait OP? redqueen Feb 2014 #96

No, I did not. Ptah Feb 2014 #97

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #254

As long as we're digging around in the past pintobean Feb 2014 #75

Oh...the pictures redqueen posted of herself and men she found attractive? Interesting. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #101

Wanting construction workers to be topless pintobean Feb 2014 #104

Some people have open minds and change over time. Others have closed minds and remain stagnant. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #144

And some just have double standards. pintobean Feb 2014 #152

Open mind = being open to ideas other than your own. Try it. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #154

Oh, like hof. pintobean Feb 2014 #157

Yes there are ideas worth exploring in HoF. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #162

Perhaps for the limited group of posters who aren't banned. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #223

Well I looked through who is banned and of the names I recognize, I also recognize their hostility seaglass Feb 2014 #246

I remember those pics Doctor_J Feb 2014 #167

Heh. +1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #224

^^^ This ^^^ Soundman Feb 2014 #205

Drooling over David Beckham? Whoa..that's an eye opener.. Upton Feb 2014 #212

Oh, looky.. yet ANOTHER random blogger, with indeterminate credentials.. opiate69 Feb 2014 #74

Don't disparage their medical credentials in "almost-getting-frostbite-opathy". lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #79

snork!!! opiate69 Feb 2014 #80

You've made a similar comment in several threads now. MadrasT Feb 2014 #197

Intersting thesis. One I would consider plausible were it not for... opiate69 Feb 2014 #229

Troll much? n/t MrModerate Feb 2014 #82

Only on days that end in "y" opiate69 Feb 2014 #90

Why are you referring to this OP -which offers a progressive feminist take on this issue - trolling? redqueen Feb 2014 #92

I dispute that there is any value in the way you raised this issue . . . MrModerate Feb 2014 #156

so you have no problem with objectification, ergo, raising the issue in any form would be a fail for seabeyond Feb 2014 #161

No, and it's disingenuous of you to suggest that I said anything like that MrModerate Feb 2014 #168

a couple things. seabeyond Feb 2014 #171

Whoops. Misread the ID. Sorry. MrModerate Feb 2014 #172

Right on! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #247

"The vast majority of feminists criticize the objectification of women." Major Nikon Feb 2014 #179

How many identify as liberals? sufrommich Feb 2014 #203

Hardly Major Nikon Feb 2014 #218

Project much? nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #99

That's not fair Renew Deal Feb 2014 #134

That's as may be . . . MrModerate Feb 2014 #158

Their purpose is to look pleasant to sell magazines... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #83

No, it isn't sex that sells, that's a myth. And yes, objectifying women is very wrong. redqueen Feb 2014 #98

No.. the "myth" is... opiate69 Feb 2014 #106

In the age of the internet shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #121

Certainly debatable... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #146

I suspect that once you've eaten pineapple shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #187

Objectification: cliffordu Feb 2014 #94

Um, no. Denigrating one half the human race by portraying them as sex objects has nothing to do redqueen Feb 2014 #95

Denigrating in your opinion cliffordu Feb 2014 #108

LOL. So in your opinion, objectification is great, redqueen Feb 2014 #114

The pejoratives you employ on my behalf cliffordu Feb 2014 #147

some folks who are males noiretextatique Feb 2014 #234

Thank you! JDPriestly Feb 2014 #100

My pleasure, I assure you! redqueen Feb 2014 #103

And it has nothing to do with sports or illustrating sports. undeterred Feb 2014 #102

No, it doesn't, and that's why it's such a powerful statement. redqueen Feb 2014 #105

Don't like it, don't look at it. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #107

or... dont like it, speak out. ok... cool. will do. see how easy it is. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #109

Is it also okay for someone who likes it to say so? NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #117

you/others use sin, religion to again, shame and shut women up. it is bullshit. again, speaking out. seabeyond Feb 2014 #120

Where did I attempt to use religion to shame anyone? NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #135

I don't consider it a sin to look at these pictures seabeyond Feb 2014 #141

Again, you have every right to speak out. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #151

A gross misrepresentation of the opposing argument. Nice try. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #111

Did I call anyone a prude? NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #115

The most effective kind of oppression conceals its mechanisms and intent. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #118

of course. as when he brings in the snide comment of it being a "sin". well, duh. pretty damn seabeyond Feb 2014 #125

I didn't know you were so adept at reading minds. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #138

"I don't think it's wrong to look at women (or men) whom one finds attractive." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #249

No complaints here Android3.14 Feb 2014 #110

are you 4th, android? seabeyond Feb 2014 #112

Eh? Android3.14 Feb 2014 #122

uh hu seabeyond Feb 2014 #126

Well that certainly clears things up Android3.14 Feb 2014 #132

She's accusing you of being a sockpuppet. name not needed Feb 2014 #136

I sent Android a link pintobean Feb 2014 #143

Thanks to the kind folks who explained it to me Android3.14 Feb 2014 #150

Ah, yes, the counter argument. There's always something more important to talk about. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #113

It's the outrage of the day, apparently. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #140

"...complaining about pictures of pretty girls." Gee, another strawman... nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #250

Thank you for this, Redqueen! n/t PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #116

It has never been about 'fashion' AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #123

yes. thank you for agreeing. objectifying women is entirely normal in our world to entertain men. seabeyond Feb 2014 #127

Yes, it is AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #129

LOL, wow, are you entertaining. nt Logical Feb 2014 #183

You realize "normal" and "morally upright" are not synonyms, right? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #131

OK AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #139

To attempt an argument confusing the two is bad form. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #142

There is nothing unethical about a woman in a bikini in a magazine AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #145

The absolutist rhetoric you espouse is an attempt to disambiguate a complex subject... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #149

It is a simple subject AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #155

Power relations and human sexuality are mind bogglingly complex. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #160

You will never accept that sexuality AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #169

That's what you've deduced from my argument? That sexuality is inherently wrong? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #170

You seem to believe that lust is dirty AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #174

No, I think you haven't actually considered my argument at all. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #189

What is the source? nt rrneck Feb 2014 #186

The patriarchy. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #188

You're trying to refute an argument that hasn't even been made. We call that a strawman. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #252

"T&A" isn't really the problem. It's making that the centerpiece, to the exclusion of all else. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #251

If there were more Asian, South-Asian, or Native women on the cover The2ndWheel Feb 2014 #124

I wondered that, too. And whether Kate Upton and the other models... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #185

Works for me. oldhippie Feb 2014 #164

Whatever floats your boat. edbermac Feb 2014 #180

As Chief Joseph of the Nez Pierce tribe once said Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #173

Art is, by its nature, somewhat objectifying. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #178

Regarding objectification in art, you should really watch all four parts of this. redqueen Feb 2014 #225

Thank you for this, RedQ! cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #182

My pleasure! redqueen Feb 2014 #222

Males and females AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #184

"Fairly and respectfully indulged" is the kicker though. And holding all women to a narrow standard nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #253

Sexuality is a biological drive, not a social construct designed by the patriarchy davidn3600 Feb 2014 #190

If anything the patriarchy has been about repressing sexuality Major Nikon Feb 2014 #191

There's a good reason why the modern feminist movement is rejecting 3rd wave feminism. n/t MadrasT Feb 2014 #193

From everything I've read, sex-positive feminism IS the mainstream davidn3600 Feb 2014 #196

Sports Illustrated isn't a sex-positive feminist publication... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #230

I wasnt saying that it was davidn3600 Feb 2014 #239

I'll make sure I send those three ladies tweets to shame them for their evil ways The Straight Story Feb 2014 #192

Time for a good old fashioned book burn- I mean, magazine burning! quinnox Feb 2014 #198

Except nobody is calling for books to be burned. sufrommich Feb 2014 #202

The SI is like an abortion.. sendero Feb 2014 #200

Wow. Are you fucking seriously comparing a medical procedure that women actually need access to redqueen Feb 2014 #206

I'm saying your desire to abridge the rights of others.. sendero Feb 2014 #235

Do they even at least do a beefcake cover once a year treestar Feb 2014 #207

No, why should they? They can fall back on MRA talking points - e.g. that men are objectified redqueen Feb 2014 #209

Why would they need to make that claim? Android3.14 Feb 2014 #210

Gay men don't like sports? Really? Or wait, is it just that nobody by white straight men matters? redqueen Feb 2014 #211

Lost cause RedQueen ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #214

Of course they do...but it's a matter of readership numbers. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #215

So that's what the ignore button is for... Android3.14 Feb 2014 #217

Women don't like sports? treestar Feb 2014 #240

SI subscribers can opt out of the Swimsuit edition.. Upton Feb 2014 #241

Equal treatment? Upton Feb 2014 #213

I thought that's what all the other SI issues were? nt kjones Feb 2014 #238

These discussions always go the same way. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #216

There are also a handful of women cheering them on, redqueen Feb 2014 #221

yep... BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #244

As if a request for courtesy or discretion is somehow trampling on *their rights*... nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #255

bigtime. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #256

I can't think of an easy answer, really. There's so much ambiguity, so much "plausible deniability" nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #257

I agree. the malicious behavior is so blatant. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #258

Like the kid who gets bullied, and then gets in trouble for responding to the bully. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #260

Kick & recommended. William769 Feb 2014 #219

Thank you. redqueen Feb 2014 #226

It was brought to my attention that some intellectual dishonesty was being directed at me personally redqueen Feb 2014 #220

Trust me when I say "such blatantly rightwing tactics are not just directed at you. William769 Feb 2014 #227

Oh yes, you're exactly right. redqueen Feb 2014 #228

I saw the posts. dredge up someone's past behaviors as if it would smear them. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #245

................... Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #248

It's 50 years of marketing success. scarletwoman Feb 2014 #259