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pipoman

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188. And in those times and cultures

Mon Feb 17, 2014, 01:51 PM

Feb 2014

Thin small women would have the right to complain. The whole argument is ridiculous. Pretending that small women are small because they have money and/or are on drugs is ludicrous.

The beholder is usually not so unreasonable. Most women don't look like that and most women do end up getting married or having sex, that is to say, you don't have to be anywhere near that to be "attractive enough."

Which is exactly why none of this matters. People have preferences in mates, body type, hair color, face shape, and on and on. SI can't change someone's preferences. Your comparing another woman's body shape to a little boy is no less offensive than comparing another woman's body shape to a football player, or a pig for that matter. And what would be more repulsive that could you condemn the men who find them attractive to than being a pedophile?

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"The market" seems to demand women have asses like prepubescent boys [View all] elehhhhna Feb 2014 OP

The swimsuit issue has always featured pipoman Feb 2014 #1

"we've always done it this way" does not answer the WHY question undeterred Feb 2014 #2

sports=athletic pipoman Feb 2014 #3

oranges=food undeterred Feb 2014 #4

photoshopped thighs that look like forearms = athletic elehhhhna Feb 2014 #9

! undeterred Feb 2014 #11

Sure. Like Christie Brinkley and Cheryl Tiegs? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #6

The assertion of the op pipoman Feb 2014 #15

Baaahhaahaahahaha whoosh! Twisty logic there. elehhhhna Feb 2014 #24

There's no 'whoosh' pipoman Feb 2014 #132

Women who are photoshopped to the point of unreality? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #55

Athletic bodies? indie9197 Feb 2014 #46

If ESPN mag can do it (actual female athletes), so can SI. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #50

Much better indie9197 Feb 2014 #53

Now those are some beautiful bodies. liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #174

Wow. But I think that's too much for some men to handle. They like their models wafer thin Number23 Feb 2014 #195

I've watched her live...she's impressive. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #196

Stunning Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #201

Exactly....they're not athletes...they are more likely anorexics! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #56

Upton doesn't seem that way... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #130

But is she an athlete? No..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #140

My best advice? Lost_Count Feb 2014 #151

My best advice...we women shouldn't HAVE shy away from SPORTS freaking ILLUSTRATED! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #153

As I'm sure you've seen... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #175

No...I expect to find athletes in swimsuits... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #197

I'm not entirely sure what the point is... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #200

I'm not trying to be rude MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #191

and they SHOULDN"T that is the point....those women are ANOMALIES! They are freaks of nature really. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #198

Top athletes too are "freaks of nature" Fumesucker Feb 2014 #203

NOT just by beauty...sheesh VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #204

According to the NFL Players Association NFL players die early Fumesucker Feb 2014 #206

sorry but alot of NFL players are not healthy...they are FAT! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #207

A freak of nature is a freak of nature Fumesucker Feb 2014 #219

BALONEY....you don't get to be an athlete...strictly by looking good! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #221

My point is that unless you have just the right genetics you aren't going to do either Fumesucker Feb 2014 #226

My point is....they HAVE to do nothing else....they win the genetic lottery....they are pretty... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #227

Oh, I thought they had to do all sorts of unhealthy and unpleasant things to look like that? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #230

wtf...thats stupid....Poor poor Pretty people whatever will they do? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #231

What "bias against women" am I showing? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #232

THIS one.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #234

pretty much everyone in SI is a freak of nature Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #224

NO they are not JUST that are they? They don't look in the mirror and know they are a world class VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #233

That's pretty mean MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #239

You missed the point...you have to take that in context VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #240

I didn't miss any point MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #242

Several SI swimsuit models have been and are athletes Major Nikon Feb 2014 #158

but are those 3? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #159

They most certainly are physically fit Major Nikon Feb 2014 #161

It should be primarily marketed to sports enthusiasts...which includes ALOT of women VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #162

So write a letter and complain to the editors Major Nikon Feb 2014 #165

WE ARE complaining...we commiserating about it right now in fact... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #170

Somehow the boycott seems more of a threat in that instance Major Nikon Feb 2014 #171

I think occasionally that would be nice, but I'd rather see fully clothed female athletes in general Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #64

I threw that out there as a better alternative indie9197 Feb 2014 #77

Those women do not have athletic bodies BainsBane Feb 2014 #138

What is absurd is the op pipoman Feb 2014 #184

And hips. And waistlines. Hence, the need to augment other areas of fat-loss. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #5

That sounds almost homophobic. Bonobo Feb 2014 #7

those do not resemble adult women's backsides whatsoever. just saying. elehhhhna Feb 2014 #10

But those ARE adult women. Nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #12

who have been photoshopped beyond reality...who probably haven't lifted anything VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #57

So why do they look exactly the same in the videos of the photo shoots? Major Nikon Feb 2014 #143

No they don't.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #145

If that's true it shouldn't be that hard for you to prove then Major Nikon Feb 2014 #146

They sure as hell don't resemble the backsides of prepubescent boys, either. Orrex Feb 2014 #16

Sour grapes? FreeSpirit123 Feb 2014 #235

There is where you are confused.... Logical Feb 2014 #8

Or rather the market demands LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #172

or little girls. cultivate the taste. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #13

I've noticed that too 2pooped2pop Feb 2014 #14

Maybe you've got a point there Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #20

they have curves due to body fat and real breasts, as well. elehhhhna Feb 2014 #25

Maybe I phrased that badly Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #33

I wonder how much of a difference between then and now... Silent3 Feb 2014 #40

True. Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #49

Here's a pretty ridiculous one from 2012: wickerwoman Feb 2014 #168

You may be overthinking things. woolldog Feb 2014 #89

Carol Alt called Kate Upton a "large sized" model pokerfan Feb 2014 #136

Wow, that's a fascinating comparison. Like you I've never paid attention to SI before riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #47

So you go around looking at boy's asses and rating them? I am a male, I honestly don't bluestate10 Feb 2014 #218

yeah, that's what I do all right n/t 2pooped2pop Feb 2014 #237

The SI cover sure replaced bus driver punching as the latest most important issue ever in a hurry. arely staircase Feb 2014 #17

Now that we've solved world hunger and war ... n/t Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #22

personally I don't think the cornflake chicken controversy was ever really resolved arely staircase Feb 2014 #29

Or developed a sense of humor? Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #31

true enough arely staircase Feb 2014 #32

Thank you so much for chicken link Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #36

well to me they look like like athletic womens asses, if you think they look like young boys loli phabay Feb 2014 #18

No shit pintobean Feb 2014 #37

then you must not have ever seen non photoshopped athletic near naked women before! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #58

actually seen more than my fair share both on the slopes and military loli phabay Feb 2014 #81

and they DIDN'T look like that... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #86

There is a difference between photoshopping and airbrushing B2G Feb 2014 #88

Photoshopping IS airbrushing! That is what you use do to it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #90

Hogwash Major Nikon Feb 2014 #155

I didn't say that....but models...yeah. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #157

All major magazines do it BainsBane Feb 2014 #167

as i said, saw lots of women who look like that, do youbreally not understand that there are women loli phabay Feb 2014 #91

No you haven't...those women are photoshopped...guaranteed! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #93

So what exactly is your point? B2G Feb 2014 #94

that THOSE women do not even look like that! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #98

How do you know that? B2G Feb 2014 #99

because THOSE women are models.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #100

Again, what is your point? B2G Feb 2014 #105

the POINT IS that this is not a fashion magazine...nor should it be a Men's Magazine... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #118

Or any beach city for that matter. n/t A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #169

Neither does any photograph in history if you want to go that far Major Nikon Feb 2014 #160

You obviously don't know what athletes look like BainsBane Feb 2014 #141

yeah cause one has never dated athletes or played sports or even ogled athletes before loli phabay Feb 2014 #179

Those don't look like boy butts Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #19

How about a link to the photo in question? Coyotl Feb 2014 #21

It's also weird Bonobo Feb 2014 #23

What do we know? antiquie Feb 2014 #26

Exactly! Bonobo Feb 2014 #27

Disingenuous treestar Feb 2014 #124

shhh.. it's a favorite straw man (woman?) on DU eShirl Feb 2014 #131

Seems more like giving them the benefit of the doubt Major Nikon Feb 2014 #164

Disingenuous treestar Feb 2014 #182

Not just in the past Major Nikon Feb 2014 #187

The fashion industry treestar Feb 2014 #192

I haven't really seen much change Major Nikon Feb 2014 #202

The Swimsuit edition is just one of a million things treestar Feb 2014 #211

I'm not convinced the sexes are all that different in that regard Major Nikon Feb 2014 #214

And in those times and cultures pipoman Feb 2014 #188

There are stories about models using drugs treestar Feb 2014 #193

I'm not offended pipoman Feb 2014 #199

Oddly enough there are stories about athletes using drugs too Fumesucker Feb 2014 #228

lol pipoman Feb 2014 #229

Women who choose the right to do whatever polly7 Feb 2014 #150

They look like the asses of healthy adult women to me.. Upton Feb 2014 #28

Also, if those were boys, would they be grabbing each other's asses? Coyotl Feb 2014 #30

The guy who writes DListed calls it the cover of.. PassingFair Feb 2014 #117

Good one. More than a few doctors are groaning about the bonobo posturing. Coyotl Feb 2014 #120

in appearance it's like a (now-deceased, male) friend's spondylolithesis eShirl Feb 2014 #133

"healthy" adult women who have been photoshopped out of reality.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #59

I once had it explained to me by a very wise old woman. The_Commonist Feb 2014 #34

was this thesis based on methodical peer reviewed research or did this wise elder pull it out arely staircase Feb 2014 #39

Well, she spent her career in the advertising industry. The_Commonist Feb 2014 #48

That didn't really answer the question Shivering Jemmy Feb 2014 #79

You know, you guys are right. The_Commonist Feb 2014 #82

Sounds plausible to me; it is all about titillation, and all advertising is based on desire and fear Tom Ripley Feb 2014 #67

I think your reasoning was the basis for the ad that Don Draper Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #69

"At last, something beautiful you can truly own..." The_Commonist Feb 2014 #71

Yep. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #72

She was pretty sharp treestar Feb 2014 #183

Wise woman? MattBaggins Feb 2014 #186

Yes, extremely wise. The_Commonist Feb 2014 #190

Gotta stand up for slender women this time. dawg Feb 2014 #35

Thank you, thank you! nt UtahLib Feb 2014 #51

They are thin...probably NOT naturally and they are photoshopped out of reality VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #60

I know that. But I also know real women who are that thin. dawg Feb 2014 #62

How much photoshop on that cover? Edim Feb 2014 #38

Enough that it could have come from the SomethingAwful forums n/t Scootaloo Feb 2014 #104

"prepubescent boys"? AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #41

This thread is a riot! B2G Feb 2014 #42

You're shining so brightly right now! Bonobo Feb 2014 #44

The hypocrisy is making my head spin B2G Feb 2014 #45

How do you explain the popularity Lonusca Feb 2014 #43

and she isn't starving herself but I BET she uses photoshop! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #61

Photoshop! Desert805 Feb 2014 #74

Those athletic asses do NOT look like those... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #87

You have spent a lot of time Desert805 Feb 2014 #238

To make her butt look bigger? Lonusca Feb 2014 #111

Those butts are big? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #116

I don't see how anyone could take you seriously. (nt) Inkfreak Feb 2014 #52

We breed for cuteness Generic Other Feb 2014 #54

Sometimes looking like a prepubescent boy can be an advantage HockeyMom Feb 2014 #63

Good for you. westerebus Feb 2014 #137

They're not my style. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #65

So you're implying men are homosexual pedophiles? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #66

Since they're pretty, it's OK to objectify them B2G Feb 2014 #68

Being as the Swarm has faiied to show up with a heaping helping of adulation and multiple recs ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #70

Annoyed My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #73

This is what irritates me about these threads pipoman Feb 2014 #129

OMG I hear you Skittles Feb 2014 #154

I got the impression that they were trying to make their butts look bigger ecstatic Feb 2014 #75

Yeah, I don't get that. nt Deep13 Feb 2014 #76

I doubt it means they're attracted to little boys JonLP24 Feb 2014 #78

Have they always been exclusively caucasian? MADem Feb 2014 #80

I believe Tyra Banks has been on the cover B2G Feb 2014 #83

Poor woman got "the duty," eh? MADem Feb 2014 #96

And Beyonce B2G Feb 2014 #106

She was on the SI cover too? nt MADem Feb 2014 #121

yep Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #126

Two women of color; fifty covers! MADem Feb 2014 #128

Bigot. Hosnon Feb 2014 #84

Nothing veiled about it. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #139

I agree. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #173

Your "analysis" says more about you than SI cover Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #85

rofl backwoodsbob Feb 2014 #92

I've known that for 35 years. I have ALWAYS had hips kestrel91316 Feb 2014 #95

Not My Cup of Tea Dirty Socialist Feb 2014 #119

That's more the fashion industry than SI. GoCubsGo Feb 2014 #135

What a creepy fucking thing to say. nt Union Scribe Feb 2014 #97

That's what I was thinking. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #102

The subjective was mistaken for the objective but that doesn't make it any less creepy. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #123

SI - 1890s edition Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #101

Some women have asses like those on the cover. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #103

My daughter too B2G Feb 2014 #109

Good for her! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #113

Asian women have small asses. Calling them pre pubescent boys is hurtful. Bonobo Feb 2014 #122

Very, but not surprising. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #125

I know multiple adult women who are athletes who have what can be called small asses mythology Feb 2014 #107

A profoundly disturbing OP. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #108

So guys are attracted to women with asses like prepubescent boys? edbermac Feb 2014 #110

There's a lot of things I could say Scootaloo Feb 2014 #112

She's commenting on the marketplace BainsBane Feb 2014 #144

I guess a guy thing Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #114

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #115

That is your observation and comparison joeglow3 Feb 2014 #127

Body shaming isn't ok. Marr Feb 2014 #134

You missed the point entirely BainsBane Feb 2014 #142

I understood that was the point, but it was body shaming in it's tone nonetheless. Marr Feb 2014 #147

It's too bad SI doesn't agree BainsBane Feb 2014 #149

What does that have to do with saying a woman looks like a boy? /nt Marr Feb 2014 #152

You said were concerned about body shaming BainsBane Feb 2014 #156

I never said any of that. I said that saying a woman looks like a boy is body shaming. Marr Feb 2014 #236

No, they're definitely shaming women in this instance. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #194

Heterosexuals will do heterosexual things. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #148

I'm continually amazed BainsBane Feb 2014 #163

It's a disgusting attack pintobean Feb 2014 #176

What mainstream publication has ever posed males in that position? n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #166

Seriously, spend some time around the fashion industry Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2014 #177

I disagree. PeteSelman Feb 2014 #178

what a creepy statement about this cover and men in general. madrchsod Feb 2014 #180

What a disgusting op! B Calm Feb 2014 #181

I have only one thing to add to this thread NickB79 Feb 2014 #185

OH NO YOU DIDN'T Skittles Feb 2014 #205

My observation is that airbrushing and photoshop are an art. Cleita Feb 2014 #189

My market likes BACK and hips. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #208

It tells me that a lot of men think their tastes and preferences are wholly their own LanternWaste Feb 2014 #209

Except for the people that have different tastes and blow the shit out of that theory. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #210

Madison Avenue lurvs you... LanternWaste Feb 2014 #215

Not me, those SI models actually do ZERO for me. Zero. Bonobo Feb 2014 #217

bless your heart, no one will ever stop you from it. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #220

Sorry I am having trouble reading your disjointed writing. Bonobo Feb 2014 #222

Thank you 1000words Feb 2014 #223

Does Madison Avenue also dictate your preferences and tastes? Orrex Feb 2014 #244

Media no like booty Vattel Feb 2014 #212

...prepubescent boys??? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #213

It's ironic the cover concept is that of passage of time 1000words Feb 2014 #216

me either, looks like 3 beautiful healthy atheletic women to me. Drew Richards Feb 2014 #243

Right, because nobody wants to see Jennifer Lopez on a magazine cover. edbermac Feb 2014 #225

I don't know if that is true since I haven't seen any asses of prepubescent boys. zappaman Feb 2014 #241