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redqueen

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247. Thank you for saying this so succinctly.

Mon Feb 17, 2014, 02:09 PM

Feb 2014

The fact that so many are apparently just completely oblivious to what objectification is and why it's offensive and harmful is a testament to how far we have regressed on feminist issues since the 80's.

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This Gender War bullshit at DU must stop [View all] Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 OP

Hide thread kcr Feb 2014 #1

No. Stop the gender wars here on DU. RC Feb 2014 #153

RIght. Those "certain few people' are the only ones who ever post flame bait. kcr Feb 2014 #156

This group is by far the highest profile group in any conflicts here. RC Feb 2014 #168

yes... when talking about womens issues we speak out. and when being called out by fellow duers... seabeyond Feb 2014 #170

Or the one most likely to get blamed for conflict kcr Feb 2014 #171

The difference is This is a political site. Conflicts are not going away, because DU is a very RC Feb 2014 #183

Oh, so now it's everyone behaves and only discusses politics kcr Feb 2014 #188

This seems to be fitting... RC Feb 2014 #198

Thank you for providing an example. There's no gender wars kcr Feb 2014 #205

Denial for the win! RC Feb 2014 #208

lmFao. omg. you talk about others, but ANYOE not agree with you, and insult, accusation is seabeyond Feb 2014 #215

The bigger that list gets, the better kcr Feb 2014 #243

I tell you woman, half the people on this board is on this list seabeyond Feb 2014 #249

An accurate example was given, regardless of your misuse of the word "denial" LanternWaste Feb 2014 #298

It's simply not realistic, or effective, to blame a whole group. Voice for Peace Feb 2014 #266

so a couple of our "flamebaits", one had over 250 rec, another had over 100 rec. how would that seabeyond Feb 2014 #163

Links please. RC Feb 2014 #174

you haev not spent a lot of your time saying hof needs to be shut down? a lot in meta. or calling seabeyond Feb 2014 #178

Amen! libodem Feb 2014 #234

Add another 'amen' to that .... sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #306

Well last week it started on Monday with this: seaglass Feb 2014 #236

ah, i forgot about that first one, specifically calling us damaged. but, since that is a fav of RCs seabeyond Feb 2014 #240

No, it didn't start there, as even seabeyond acknowledges. opiate69 Feb 2014 #245

well it seems that seabeyond is saying the OP brought up emotionally damaged in another post seaglass Feb 2014 #259

right on. but hey... if opiate wants to start of the beginning of her accusing us as damaged, seabeyond Feb 2014 #263

you would still start at bellas post that called us damaged, wihich then led to an Op calling us seabeyond Feb 2014 #260

The real remedy is to make an effort to understand other people. Voice for Peace Feb 2014 #254

That is true. What has to be done is find the people flagging it on and deal with them. RC Feb 2014 #273

pitchforks and torches... where? lets get 'em. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #275

It is only a few. You are correct. Most people don't want to get engaged as it is pointless, just sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #307

123... ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #195

Trash thread is an option you can exercise. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #2

Sorry can't happen. Kurska Feb 2014 #3

Until the 2006 primaries start for real... TreasonousBastard Feb 2014 #4

The 2006 primaries are over and done with. :) nt justiceischeap Feb 2014 #23

That's a quitter's attitude. Orrex Feb 2014 #63

So true! pipi_k Feb 2014 #122

Out of the question, there is too much educating to be done quinnox Feb 2014 #5

Yes Kurska Feb 2014 #6

For sure. Anyone who disagrees simply has not seen the light quinnox Feb 2014 #10

Is it possible that some people enjoy goading women with posts like the SI swimsuit photos? pnwmom Feb 2014 #16

Yes, one clearly said as much. BainsBane Feb 2014 #18

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #64

I didn't post the SI thread. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #294

It was a woman who posted it. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #295

Tell it to the guys who started it all BainsBane Feb 2014 #17

+1 gollygee Feb 2014 #19

Calling out misogyny is starting a "Gender War" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #21

It only becomes a race/gender/class war when the other side starts fighting back. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #25

+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #38

Absolutely gollygee Feb 2014 #62

Is it possible that others will only accept total conformity? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #71

Or you could Google "evolutionary psychology feminism" sufrommich Feb 2014 #74

yes, a faux outrage suggesting its about evolution, as you and others were repeatedly told otherwise seabeyond Feb 2014 #76

+1000. closeupready Feb 2014 #150

I missed that thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #111

No. They told me to quit finding pictures of women sexually appealing joeglow3 Feb 2014 #115

Would you be offended if ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #169

Thank you for saying this so succinctly. redqueen Feb 2014 #247

Indeed it is possible BainsBane Feb 2014 #134

Good post. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #272

Stopping the gender wars isn't difficult. Stop posting misogynist crap and people will stop calling seabeyond Feb 2014 #34

+1 MadrasT Feb 2014 #42

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #66

We have a winner MattBaggins Feb 2014 #114

One big problem pipi_k Feb 2014 #192

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #20

Thanks! BainsBane Feb 2014 #202

Bullshit. The SI cover thread was started by a woman. pintobean Feb 2014 #22

I'm the woman that started it, ALL BY MYSELF. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #31

Funny because someone claimed differently BainsBane Feb 2014 #131

And, is that particular someone the same someone who actually posted that thread? opiate69 Feb 2014 #148

Summer? BainsBane Feb 2014 #158

Yeah.. gotta love autofill... opiate69 Feb 2014 #162

Run with that all you want. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #160

Perhaps you should correct your posts and apologize. pintobean Feb 2014 #165

Indeed you did "start it" Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #196

Several years ago, that wouldn't pintobean Feb 2014 #204

I guess we'll have to Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #216

I respect your opinion. pintobean Feb 2014 #219

Back at ya.... Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #237

Thank you for realizing it was all me. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #222

But you didn't post it as a "news story". You posted the pictures and said, WOW. R B Garr Feb 2014 #267

Oh well. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #302

I'm just saying that your true intentions for posting it don't really add up R B Garr Feb 2014 #305

+1. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #33

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #65

"It says everything that you think ending gender wars hinges on getting feminists to shut up." redqueen Feb 2014 #95

Good post. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #268

Out, damn facts! Is the observation that a woman posted the SI cover relevant? n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #296

I'm a feminist and am not at 'war' with anyone. Maybe that's why people, including most of DU's sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #308

Oh baloney treestar Feb 2014 #89

The MRAers are an obnoxious bunch MattBaggins Feb 2014 #112

Did you seriously just resort to "I know you are, but what am I?" Orrex Feb 2014 #283

+ 1,,000 nt lillypaddle Feb 2014 #223

but love is a battlefield hfojvt Feb 2014 #7

Good luck with that. LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #8

Best of luck with that. bluedigger Feb 2014 #9

iat's ok, women only look at SI for the articles lol nt msongs Feb 2014 #11

I sense an escalation of hostilities Lasher Feb 2014 #12

you made me laugh lasher... seabeyond Feb 2014 #36

Then today my existence is justified. Lasher Feb 2014 #41

lol. it truly is lasher. thank you. enjoy your justified existence today. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #47

Lasher, I think a little eyeliner wouldn't hurt. Just saying. Squinch Feb 2014 #79

Mascara is pretty goth and I love a man with Paint It Black Toenails. just saying Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #109

Time to leave the playground ... mrsadm Feb 2014 #13

I hate to tell you this... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #14

Thank you. I would offer my own definition of female sex object Warpy Feb 2014 #15

Disclaimer: Great post, couldn't agree more. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #27

+1. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #37

post #15, thread winner n/t Scout Feb 2014 #179

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #26

+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #45

You win the thread Scootaloo Feb 2014 #52

Well said,as usual. nt sufrommich Feb 2014 #53

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #68

That sounds great, until you push it toward Muslim treatment joeglow3 Feb 2014 #72

Oh Jesus not this shit again. MadrasT Feb 2014 #77

then how is he going to hold up his man card for all to see....... lol. the thing, seabeyond Feb 2014 #80

Spin facts much? THIS is the bull shit we are dealing with. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #118

meh... i know you were in some thread, about some bullshit about not able to define rape. seabeyond Feb 2014 #125

Stop pretending like you are interested in an intellectually honest conversation joeglow3 Feb 2014 #175

seems to me you are asking definition of rape, consent. but... there you go. you expressed, and seabeyond Feb 2014 #181

No. I was asking someone to clarify THEIR position joeglow3 Feb 2014 #182

kinda like saying, my words are.... you support rape. i re read, nope didnt say you support seabeyond Feb 2014 #184

Who are you to talk about intellectual honesty gollygee Feb 2014 #210

Yeah. Have you not been on DU for the last 3-4 days? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #212

I saw some garbage saying women have to deal with sexism because apes gollygee Feb 2014 #214

And that is the intellectual dishonesty right there joeglow3 Feb 2014 #224

first. is that the study if men look at boobs 10 minutes a day they are healthier? that was fox news seabeyond Feb 2014 #228

Evolutionary psychology is not science gollygee Feb 2014 #229

Westboro, is that you?? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #248

Ok, logic here gollygee Feb 2014 #279

ohhh, i thought he was accusing you of hate, them being hate group. bah hahahha. still the evo psych seabeyond Feb 2014 #281

Well they both have the word "evolution" in them gollygee Feb 2014 #282

Not what I was saying joeglow3 Feb 2014 #291

Still has nothing to do with what I think or believe gollygee Feb 2014 #297

You lied to me yesterday to make some idiotic point, so much for honesty. seaglass Feb 2014 #241

You realize the f word doesn't offend me. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #252

No point was proven except that you don't have a problem lying to prove a point. And yeah, I've got seaglass Feb 2014 #253

So, those people coming out of the closet should STFU joeglow3 Feb 2014 #117

Sorry, I don't play the strawman game. n/t MadrasT Feb 2014 #141

Nice defense mechanism joeglow3 Feb 2014 #177

. MadrasT Feb 2014 #197

Exactly my point. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #201

I hope you don't go to the beach when other women are there wearing bikinis. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #238

yes, if those bikinis were brought into the work force to entertain the men. right on. you are seabeyond Feb 2014 #265

Huh. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #269

of course it fuckin was. are you series!!11!!1!!!!!! lol, lordy dude. duh. seabeyond Feb 2014 #274

If I find a woman's body sexually appealing, I am a sexist, need to be shamed and need to be kicked seabeyond Feb 2014 #78

Redqueen said all these things this weekend joeglow3 Feb 2014 #119

i do not think she said that. you are saying she told you, you cannot find a woman sexually seabeyond Feb 2014 #128

No. She ignored my comments and just called me names joeglow3 Feb 2014 #176

no? so, she did not do what you accused her of doing. merely called you names? seabeyond Feb 2014 #186

Here is one thread joeglow3 Feb 2014 #200

you want me to go thru that huge ass (see the funny) thread to come up with seabeyond Feb 2014 #213

And you "knowing" what is there without looking is the closeminded discussions I avoid joeglow3 Feb 2014 #226

you give me a thread of what 600 posts to read thru to find what you deem as whatever? and that seabeyond Feb 2014 #230

control-f is your friend joeglow3 Feb 2014 #246

What will this friend do for me? I will try again later. Busy now. Nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #250

control-f "redqueen" joeglow3 Feb 2014 #251

Fuck that. You made the assertion - you back it up. redqueen Feb 2014 #255

Awwww. A double encore joeglow3 Feb 2014 #258

lmao. you want me to call up all redq post and see if i can find anything offensive toward you.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #271

Start at post 482 for one example. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #276

that is huckle thread and stops at 38. will find the other link seabeyond Feb 2014 #277

see, here is the thing. i didnt read the bullshit about your rape discussion cause i am so fuckin seabeyond Feb 2014 #278

^^^^^^ Squinch Feb 2014 #81

Thank you. myrna minx Feb 2014 #121

Excellent post! And Warpy's response is also excellent. R B Garr Feb 2014 #289

If all we do is use "the other side's" misogyny and bigotry without dealing with our own NuclearDem Feb 2014 #24

you are da man..... i really want a high five smilie. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #39

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #101

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #123

Yes! gollygee Feb 2014 #207

Excuse me your mistaking Gender and opinions . orpupilofnature57 Feb 2014 #28

Put the seat down, already! badtoworse Feb 2014 #29

Do you think this "gender War Divisiveness" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #30

+1. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #40

Thank you very much for calling attention to that particular tactic. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #48

.... sufrommich Feb 2014 #50

1SmartMan is speaking truth to the power right here. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #103

Not "Truth to Power" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #126

! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #133

Good Post. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #136

! gollygee Feb 2014 #211

Mmm pretzel bread... CFLDem Feb 2014 #32

The 60s are long over; progressives are only now learning to hate. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #35

Why,oh why won't those feminists just shut up already? sufrommich Feb 2014 #43

buzzkill...? i dunno sufro, seabeyond Feb 2014 #46

I read ismnotwasm's wonderful OP in HoF this morning sufrommich Feb 2014 #49

ya. always told. and when pointed out the immediate reply... oh, you can talk. well, thanks. lol seabeyond Feb 2014 #58

meh... i dunno. i am like the nicest, and so easy to get along with pretzel. i simply do not know seabeyond Feb 2014 #44

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #54

I'm ready for a lengthy debate on how we address the first male spouse of a female President. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #51

Short of banning about 10-12 accounts Soundman Feb 2014 #55

i do not think it is a good idea to ban the mens group, and kick all the men off du. i do not think seabeyond Feb 2014 #59

"Uppity women ruined my refuge" sufrommich Feb 2014 #60

Who said that besides you? Soundman Feb 2014 #227

This is such a load of crap gollygee Feb 2014 #70

basically, this is what the Op is about. and this is what we are repeatedly hearing. not as blunt. seabeyond Feb 2014 #82

"i and others need to be kicked off cause we are too bad, and hof needs to be shut down" Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #85

"Do each of you get your own crucifix or do you have to share one" an example of pretend. seabeyond Feb 2014 #91

I'll take that as you each getting your own cross Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #92

so, you continue the insult instead of actually addressing my post. reasoned post. reasoned seabeyond Feb 2014 #94

He reads your article, my brain hurts my eyes cross Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #98

more insults. seabeyond Feb 2014 #102

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #100

the point of this little exercise, is to give a blatant example what women are continually dealing seabeyond Feb 2014 #104

that is such a bullshit hide. what can even be the reasoning for that hide. do tell. seabeyond Feb 2014 #110

Jury result: Denzil_DC Feb 2014 #113

thank you, clears it up. i have had hides in dishonesty from alerters, and no, i do not think it seabeyond Feb 2014 #116

"i do not think it was in good faith" Denzil_DC Feb 2014 #124

thank you. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #130

Horrible verdict. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #127

Horrible Alert. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #144

Agreed! hrmjustin Feb 2014 #152

They can't revise it kcr Feb 2014 #209

Yeah, I know that. Denzil_DC Feb 2014 #232

I know, it's mainly just me venting about the jury sytem kcr Feb 2014 #242

There are a lot of posts in pintobean Feb 2014 #105

Which has what do do with accusing someone of sufrommich Feb 2014 #106

what the fuck does that have to do with what i said to soundman? another cross insult? seabeyond Feb 2014 #107

And the idea that ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #139

this is such a fuckin awesome thread in every way showing us clearly what the issue is. and how seabeyond Feb 2014 #146

I have no idea what you're talking about Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #56

And on du a man says.... NCTraveler Feb 2014 #57

sheeeeit. we were suppose to run in a corner and shut up? sheeeeit. my bad. lol seabeyond Feb 2014 #61

You have a wonderful day also seabeyond. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #86

recognizing that list could go on forever. thank you. excellent. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #93

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #129

Please stop saying things that make me uncomfortable. el_bryanto Feb 2014 #67

agree. barbtries Feb 2014 #69

Yeah! Instead, go make Pretzel_Warrior a sandwich. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #73

Boys vs Girls is the overall stupidest thing about this site. Iggo Feb 2014 #75

you laughed at my joke. you are a boy. i put that joke up. i am a girl. point. seabeyond Feb 2014 #87

That's 'cause it was funny. And it's funny because it's true. Iggo Feb 2014 #173

well, i do not see it as boys vs girls... seabeyond Feb 2014 #194

Like any religion, it's the smallest differences that cause the biggest rifts. brooklynite Feb 2014 #83

But but but ... I MUST reserve the right to be offended Myrina Feb 2014 #84

It is good to remember that suffragists didn't succeed because they shut up and sat down. CTyankee Feb 2014 #97

You ASSUME I am "leveling a message" against women. Myrina Feb 2014 #132

then by all means point out what I got wrong... CTyankee Feb 2014 #135

sounds like mockery we hear often toward women. but, i am open. you? nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #137

Sure, if I got the poster's point wrong, I want to know about it. I want to hear CTyankee Feb 2014 #140

sure. cause we are just that kind of woman, ..... ya know? correct me if i am wrong. seabeyond Feb 2014 #149

I'm old enough to "take it." CTyankee Feb 2014 #231

lol. waiting waiting waiting. lol. i say that to the kids all the time when waiting, so seabeyond Feb 2014 #233

It's an issue of our times treestar Feb 2014 #88

gives some people a reason to complain beachbum bob Feb 2014 #90

I make good use of the trash can. HappyMe Feb 2014 #96

It won't end until one side or the other wins AngryAmish Feb 2014 #99

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #147

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #154

We're in for a long haul. Squinch Feb 2014 #284

As you/we should be ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #285

Yes, Squinch Feb 2014 #301

Okay ... That made me chuckle. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #309

What do you want members to do here? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #108

Wow! Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #157

This will go to at least 300 replies. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #159

This is a familiar rhetorical tactic, like that used by the GOP of shouting "class warfare" zazen Feb 2014 #120

Excellent analogy. redqueen Feb 2014 #262

Isn't it bullshit to call this gender war? Coyotl Feb 2014 #138

The day I see a smart gender war thread here... Springslips Feb 2014 #142

then you might ought to read this thread. there is a lot of intelligent, thoughtful, seabeyond Feb 2014 #151

I would argue ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #155

thank you strong. and thank you for providing this poster the opportunity to hear what you say seabeyond Feb 2014 #166

Good post Springslips Feb 2014 #187

Love this. Thanks. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #264

Ha! Now you know. The gender warriors really do belong on Cleita Feb 2014 #167

you jump in and insult people. but we are the issue? how does that work? nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #172

I never said they belong on the playground Springslips Feb 2014 #189

Never apologize for expressing a valid opinion. Cleita Feb 2014 #225

yup, just put head down and keep on insulting. no need to apologize. cute. k. outta here, and YOU seabeyond Feb 2014 #235

But then again ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #270

Why do you feel entitled to dictate what DU was or wasn't set up for? (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #143

heh, I see what you did there. eom Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #145

The Gender War bullshit in America must stop. JTFrog Feb 2014 #161

Thread trash and ignore are your friends. Cleita Feb 2014 #164

I'll be honest about this.....I have to agree. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #180

Outside Agitators FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #185

uh... a man stated we are all apes and men are going to behave as such and all of us have to deal seabeyond Feb 2014 #190

Who is bonobo FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #199

a long time duer. the host of the mens group. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #217

Agreed Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #191

Oh Hell No! Fumesucker Feb 2014 #193

And what would become of the popcorn industry? Initech Feb 2014 #203

and you just started a fresh new round! dionysus Feb 2014 #206

Thank goodness this post came along to put a stop to all that gender war stuff el_bryanto Feb 2014 #218

Ellen Jamesians, Guy Fawkesians, Marxists... gulliver Feb 2014 #220

You don't have to see any of it. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #221

Heh, GBCDU! WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #256

this is very akin to straight people on du declaring that gays are asking for ponies La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #239

and, we have seen all that before. some from the same people. bettyellen Feb 2014 #261

. libodem Feb 2014 #244

God forbid that political issues should be discussed on a political forum! Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #257

The nudity/objectification war was fought and lost long ago LittleBlue Feb 2014 #280

Then go to those websites that post the photos you describe. It's that simple. R B Garr Feb 2014 #287

The swimsuit issue fits fine in GD LittleBlue Feb 2014 #290

Your first post started out talking about the war on nudity being "lost" R B Garr Feb 2014 #299

Those are not contradictory points LittleBlue Feb 2014 #300

lol, your first post basically says if you don't want to see nasty internet photos R B Garr Feb 2014 #303

That isn't true LittleBlue Feb 2014 #304

You keep hiding behind the SI swimsuit as if that's really the issue R B Garr Feb 2014 #310

I did a google search for mgtow Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #286

i gave up for now.... madrchsod Feb 2014 #288

Yay! Flame bait for a flame war! When's your next vacay? morningfog Feb 2014 #292

What other civil rights and social issues do you suggest we refrain from discussing? LanternWaste Feb 2014 #293

Locking. Even you knew this was 'meta' by your comments in the OP. Purveyor Feb 2014 #311